Low or No Money Down Investing....A blessing and a curse

Low or No Money Down Investing....A blessing and a curse

William BrownPro Member
Wholesaler · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 276 posts · 181 votes

My partner @Oliver Wolcott and I have just started wholesaling in Winchester, VA. Why did we pick wholesaling? It seems to be the only logical path for two starters who have little money. Assigning a contract for a fee and not putting any down? Sounds good.

However, as the 8-12 hour days of work go by, we find that we more than make up for the lack of money we put into marketing and selling efforts with our time.  Let me explain and can possibly add value/perspective for some others starting out here.

Instead of spending $500-1000 on lists and direct mail, we took action and drove for dollars for about 6 hours. We compiled ~50 addresses of maintenance - deferred houses and run down properties. We plugged them all into a google sheets account on the cloud we both have access to, then moved on to the next step.

Because we are just getting started taking action, we don't have any rock solid connections with local agents yet. (That's one of our top priorities right now however is connecting with them). So we purchased a whitepages.com subscription for $20 a month for 200 searches. We are reverse searching the addresses and finding contact information for the current and previous owner, and plugging all that into our excel type sheet. Then we go on realtor.com/zillow,etc and find the Bed/Bath, sq.ft, lot size, year built, and plug that in as well. Then once we have that basic information, the fun begins.

Then my partner and I sit down and go down the list, cold calling and emailing the multiple possible contacts whitepages spit out for each house. One issue is that whitepages keeps inactive phone numbers and emails in their records, so at least half of our calls never ring and a decent amount of emails get bounced back. I can't complain for this strategy, because the $0.10 it costs for each whitepages search, and the gas it took to drive and find these addresses, means our property acquisition cost is very low. (That is, if we don't value our time. Which we do, but we are counting it as every call we make and every house we research is another chance to learn more.)

So that is the dilemma, and until we find a better method for such a low cost as well, then we will keep trudging through the "Number you called is no longer in service"s and the "I don't know what property that is you are talking about but it ain't mine"s until we hit gold.

We are also going to purchase ~50 bandit signs to place around winchester in hopes that we get some calls with interest in selling their house, as opposed to trying to shoot fish in a barrel blindfolded as we are right now.

Thank you for reading, hopefully this perspective provided some value to some who are also considering the cheapest way of getting into REI, and if you have any tips or tricks I'm all ears.

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Investor / Vendor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 949 votes
9y

@William Brown

Great to see you get started at the ripe old age of 18 :) Have you considered getting a real estate license? It'll really pay off because with your current approach you are seriously devaluing your time and also wholesaling requires a great deal of knowledge to not get in trouble. Getting a real estate license does not stop you from wholesaling, it actually improves your chances so you can do both. Why? You build capital but you will be able to buy distressed properties as a discount as a wholesaler, or if the owner has money and patience retail their home as an agent for a fat commission. Furthermore, you get access to the MLS to do comps and it opens up a lot of doors. It's one of the easier professional licenses to get and you are young and would be able to make a lot of money doing so. Find a big broker that has a good training program in your area.

BTW if you want to go down your current route, at least expand to 200 addresses, 50 addresses is way too small a sample size to expect a deal. Not trying to be discouraging, you're doing great and taking action and show clear motivation. 

Also bandit signs, did you look into whether they are legal in your area? No use in spending money on them to get a fine and them taken away if they are prohibited in your area.

Also, for the numbers that you can't reach, have you considered door-knocking?

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  • Investor / Vendor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 949 votes
    9y

    @William Brown

    Great to see you get started at the ripe old age of 18 :) Have you considered getting a real estate license? It'll really pay off because with your current approach you are seriously devaluing your time and also wholesaling requires a great deal of knowledge to not get in trouble. Getting a real estate license does not stop you from wholesaling, it actually improves your chances so you can do both. Why? You build capital but you will be able to buy distressed properties as a discount as a wholesaler, or if the owner has money and patience retail their home as an agent for a fat commission. Furthermore, you get access to the MLS to do comps and it opens up a lot of doors. It's one of the easier professional licenses to get and you are young and would be able to make a lot of money doing so. Find a big broker that has a good training program in your area.

    BTW if you want to go down your current route, at least expand to 200 addresses, 50 addresses is way too small a sample size to expect a deal. Not trying to be discouraging, you're doing great and taking action and show clear motivation. 

    Also bandit signs, did you look into whether they are legal in your area? No use in spending money on them to get a fine and them taken away if they are prohibited in your area.

    Also, for the numbers that you can't reach, have you considered door-knocking?

  • William BrownPro Member
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    Wholesaler · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 276 posts · 181 votes
    9y

    @Ray Lai thank you for your thoughts on the matter. I had never seriously considered getting my license, as I saw that as something I would do down the line. However, your insight might have inspired me to get it sooner. It is the age old debate in the forums and podcasts about the pros and cons, and really the pros do outweigh the cons. This Fall Im moving to Williamsburg to attend the College of William and Mary and having my license would not only prove valuable on the practical side but also on the credibility and trust side.

    While we understand that lead generation is a straight numbers game, 50 houses is more than enough to fill our plates right now. The problem just is that we aren't getting explicit "no"s from people, its that we cant reach the right people. So we don't need (as of right now) to quadruple our list size if we haven't gotten the skip tracing down. Essentially we are just focusing on the 50 until we can put a yes or no in the box next to the address.

    We have done a bit of research into the area with bandit signs and found nothing explicitly saying they are illegal, so thats a go for us. If they get taken down we will obviously not put them up in the same area. Its not bulletproof, but we are also using google voice as a buffer to make our number less traceable.

    Thank you again for your valuable insight, I definitely am thinking a little different about the license now and will go and do some research now.

  • Investor / Vendor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 949 votes
    9y

    @William Brown

    Credibility is important, glad you realize that. Also, since you're going to college you know there are landlords that give 1 months rent for real estate agents to place tenants into their properties? Could be better income for you as a part-time job in college then delivering pizzas. A lot of new agents start by doing rental placements (old agents don't like the amount of work it takes, they are used to the big commissions from buying/selling houses) and build a client list that later become their buyers.

    On another note, if you get 50 houses and you mail to them once or twice and get no response, that's actually not a no. It usually takes a sustained campaign with many responses after 4+ mailings.

    With calling and door-knocking it's a little different, a no is a no. So if you are going down that route, then I can understand you wanting to get 50 actual no's before moving on.

    That's good that you did the research on the bandit signs.

    One more thing, you might be spending too much time putting together all the house details for each property because this really is a numbers game. Spending a lot of time gathering all the details before you get to a 'no' may not be conducive to your needs. 

    Here's a checklist that'll help you:

    The first five questions tell the story. Unless you are using multiple marketing media sources. If so, then your first question should be:

    1. How did you happen to hear about us? Otherwise just ask the following.

    2. Do you have a house you're wanting to sell? - Must be a Yes answer...

    3. Is the house currently Listed with a Real Estate Professional? - Must be a No answer...

    4. What do you think the house will be worth in today's market? - Must give a number...

    5. What is your "Rock Bottom" price, the lowest amount you'll sell for FAST and FOR CASH? - Must be a number equal to or less than the worth value...

    6. What is the address of the house?

    Without the right answers to these five or Six questions I don't continue with the questions on the following seller questionnaire.

    Call Date __________________________

    Owner first and last name. (confirm spelling)______________________________________________

    In case we get disconnected what is a good number to call you back on?_______________________________

    Do you happen to have a cell number? _________________________

    What is the best time to call you back? _________________________

    Out of curiosity, why are you selling? __________________________________________________________

    When do you want the house sold? _____________________________

    On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being highly motivated, how would you rank your motivation to sell? ___________

    How did you happen to own the home? ____________________________________________________________

    Is the Home Vacant or Occupied? Vacant Occupied

    Occupants Name? ________________________________

    Do You Know the Year Built? __________________

    What is the approximate square footage? __________________

    How Many Bedrooms? __________________ How Many Bathrooms? ______________ Size of the Garage? ___________

    Knowing I buy "As Is" tell me a little about the condition of the property, does it need any repairs? Things like paint, carpet, roof repairs and such?

    What do you think the repair costs are going to be? _______________________

    Is that price "As Is" or fixed up? ___________________

    Are your payments current or behind? Yes No A little In Foreclosure

    If in foreclosure; You may owe more on your home than it is worth, would you agree?

    Do you have an interest in NOT having a foreclosure on your record right?

    Have you heard of a short sale? Yes No

    Notes _________________________________________________________

    Keep in mind that sellers will often ask for unrealistic numbers. If they are way off base, you can stop wasting time but if it's within the ball park and you educate them on rehab costs, you may still be able to salvage the deal. The more competitive your area, the more each lead should be fully processed.

  • William BrownPro Member
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    Wholesaler · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 276 posts · 181 votes
    9y

    @Ray Lai Thank you for the valuable insight. Its funny, I actually found the exact same list of questions from Michael Quarles on here and have them both printed out and on a google docs we look at when we call. Sadly, because we are using whitepages.com the numbers are out of service 40% of the time and the wrong person 50% of the time. 10% of the time we get their voicemail, and have drafted a script and read that. We have yet to go through that list of questions with a possibly motivated seller, hence why we pulled the trigger on bandit signs--so at least we have someone with interest calling us.

    Thanks!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Bakersfield, CA · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    @William Brown thanks for the mention of my work. 

    It's honorable and respectful. 

    It's always funny (not really funny) how some people, like the one above, copy someone's written words or for that matter artwork, layout, or copy written material and claim it as their own. Even use it on their webpage. 

    It's a compliment to me and a show of their lack of ethics and inalibility to be trusted.  

  • William BrownPro Member
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    Wholesaler · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 276 posts · 181 votes
    9y

    @Michael Quarles Absolutely. I don't think he meant it out of disrespect but credit should always be given where it is due. You provide a tremendous amount of value to others on this forum, and to me personally. Podcast #77 was the first podcast I listened to and it got me hooked on them a couple months ago. I am about 180 podcasts in and still can not think of one that stands out more or has provided more value than yours. (Probably because I have gone back and listened to it 4-5 times) But also getting started at 18 y/o, your story about laying the foundation and writing a bad check is something I keep thinking back too and will never forget.

    Thank you for your influence in my career and life and to others as well.

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