Newbie looking for strategic advice (long distance investing)

Newbie looking for strategic advice (long distance investing)

Cambridge, MA · Member since 2018 · 10 posts · 1 vote

Hello everyone, I feel like I am in a slightly different position than most people and am looking for some beginner advice. Before I get started I will say this, I intend to seek proper legal advice before making any decisions but before doing so I wanted to reach out on the forums to see if there was anything I was missing/things I have yet to consider. 

As with most newbies, I am still in the "real estate sounds awesome" phase but I haven't actually done anything yet and am still working on education. Originally I was looking to get into the world of house hacking, owner-occupant, type investing. While it is not impossible for me to do so, I also live in Boston and do not have the ability to make the down payment, even with 3.5% down FHA (and that's assuming I have the time/hustle to find a seller to accept such terms). While I really like the idea of owner-occupant I have slowly pulled myself away from this strategy and have shifted more to owning actual investment properties further away from where I live. Unfortunately, I also hit a bit of a snag.

I am actually a professional Canadian working in the US on a work visa. While I was looking into owner-occupant style investing everything was fine because I am legally allowed to own a personal property in the US and do with it whatever I want since it is my home. However, when I started looking into real estate with the sole intent of investing (not my personal house) it became clear that I have a few more restrictions than normal US citizens. Namely, I am only allowed to receive purely PASSIVE income from any of my investments. On my current work visa I am legally restricted to only being able to receive income from 2 sources, my current employer listed on my work visa or  from passive investments. Now what does this mean? As long as the income from real estate is passive, everything is fine. But if I receive income from active work (wholesaling, flipping, management...) this is illegal since I am now making income from another employer (even if I am my own employer). Thankfully, rental income is considered passive, but this also means that I am not allowed to actively partake in management activities. I will need to outsource everything (repairs, property management, etc.).

Basically, the way I am looking at my situation is that I need to act like an out of country investor even though I am in the country. The only difference is that I have a SSN, US credit history and can get conventional financing as would a normal US citizen. But having come to the conclusion that my investments not only should, but HAVE to be passive, I have continually found myself looking into turnkey companies since they provide all the services. Again, without having received proper legal council yet, I feel like this is an excellent way to not only ensure investments are passive but to prove (in case of legal disputes) that they are passive since I have 1 company doing all the work. All I do is purchase the investment property and let the company take care of everything. Now this leads me to my "plan". 

While I know turnkey companies are a controversial topic I am hoping to do the following (after receiving proper legal council). Purchase my first property from a turnkey company (after doing my due diligence) to see where it takes me. This allows me to purchase a property in a market I can afford and make sure that it is passive income. Worst case scenario, it is a disaster and I need to support the deal with my current job, I learn and avoid making that mistake again (my job does allow significant wiggle room for a deal going south). Best case scenario, I love the service offered by the turnkey company and become a repeat customer. Middle scenario, I use a turnkey company to make my first long-distance investment, learn, realize I can do this on my own with better margins and make subsequent deals on my own. But at the end of the day I need to make sure everything is passive. 

As far as education is concerned. I have been reading a lot of Ali Boone's blog posts about turnkey companies and also intent to read David Greene book Long Distance Real Estate Investing but I would love to get other suggestions. 

Coming to the end of this I am always open to new ideas/thoughts opinions on things I may not have considered. Please let me know what you think about my plan or of turnkey companies in general. All comments are welcome! 

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Multifamily investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2017 · 281 posts · 521 votes
8y

Hi Jeffery, have you considered joining other investors and be an owner of a multifamily property? As a non-US citizen, you are eligible to receive passive income, and the lead investor takes care of finding the deal and managing the property. It's also a great way to learn about real estate and establish some track record. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · Oconomowoc, WI · Member since 2016 · 996 posts · 432 votes
    8y

    Plans are always great in theory but only really good good plans are relevant in reality.  The beginning of your plan sounds reasonable (controversy of turnkey aside). Since you are investing remotely you will want boots on the ground and logic says why not conduct all your services under one roof.  You need thoroughly read the contract of the turnkey company and make sure you aren't being locked into a management contract with a high buyout or limitations on how you sell if required.  

    What is your exit strategy?  Every good investor no matter how many contingencies they have for "making the deal work" have a thought out exit strategy just in case.  How does the contract affect your ability to execute an exit strategy?  Are you limited to when you can sell, how you can sell, who you can use to sell, etc?  What financial repercussions are in store for you if you have to sever the contract early?

  • Beloit, WI · Member since 2016 · 100 posts · 40 votes
    8y

    Our situation is similar, yet different. I'm American, husband is not. We live in his home country,  we are long, long distance landlords, but have chosen a PM rather than try to manage it ourselves or with a business partner.   I did a good deal of researching PM in the area, even asking in a local forum on here. I'm happy with the one I chose. 

    One thing we did was to finally just jump in and buy; we'd talked about buying about once a year for several years. Finally I told my husband we just have to do it. We'll make mistakes,though from my reading on here and listening to podcasts I think we avoid a lot of them, but need to get our feet wet somehow. Might as well be sooner rather than later.

    All the best!

  • Multifamily investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2017 · 281 posts · 521 votes
    8y

    Hi Jeffery, have you considered joining other investors and be an owner of a multifamily property? As a non-US citizen, you are eligible to receive passive income, and the lead investor takes care of finding the deal and managing the property. It's also a great way to learn about real estate and establish some track record. 

  • Cambridge, MA · Member since 2018 · 10 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    @Charlotte Edwards I feel like I am in a similar situation. I want to try to jump in to a deal and buy but I want to make sure I do so legally prior to doing it. 

    @Ellie Perlman I am always willing to look into new ideas. How would you suggest I proceed if I wanted to go down the route your suggesting? 

  • Cambridge, MA · Member since 2018 · 10 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    @Corina Eufinger Thanks for the info! I will definitely make sure I don't lock myself in to a specific exit strategy. My goal would be to buy and hold but I realize things can always go south. Thank you for the tip! 

  • Investor / Syndicator · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 367 posts · 220 votes
    8y

    I concur with Elli Yogev above. Investing in larger deals like multifamily, storage or mobile home park syndications is a great way to learn and get a track record as an investor. Just make sure you're doing your diligence on the sponsor. I personally love multifamily apartments. I wrote a post here about the reasons I prefer that asset. The main thing is to find your unique advantage and match your strategy with it. Get educated and then go for it!

  • Cambridge, MA · Member since 2018 · 10 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    Thanks!

  • Multifamily investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2017 · 281 posts · 521 votes
    8y

    @jeffrey D'Eon - start network with sponsors: go to events (look at BP or meetup.com), conferences, or even meet them here on BP. They are everywhere. And again, passive investment is legal for someone on a work visa. The visa restricts you from making active income. Passive income is fine. 

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