Just like everyone else.. Looking to buy first home

Just like everyone else.. Looking to buy first home

Member since 2019 · 1 post · 2 votes

Hi Guys and Gals, I just signed up tonight to bigger pockets. About six months back I was on the train coming home from work and got suggested a youtube video about "Evictions Gone Wrong " By James Wise Holton.  I watched it! It was about a city in Ohio (Maybe Cleveland??) and how the tenant was getting evicted by a sheriff and how they threw the tenants property to the curb. I just watched it for entertainment purposes strictly.. at least I thought.   After that, Youtube's suggestions auto-played a bigger pockets video, as well as a Morris investment videos.  The Brandon guy that is in all the BP videos seemed really like a normal genuine guy.   This kind of triggered my whole interest....      

 My wife and I (34 and 32) Have been talking about owning a home for years.  We could commit like everyone else... and be living check to check or being strapped with that mortgage.   But with our current apartment rent control situation, we have felt content and it made sense financially to keep renting.  I am also a very big saver.  I have this paranoia about saving money which my dad instilled in me. I'm not like super cheap and crazy where I"m eating canned beans, But I'm always conscious of my spending. I have a 2009 paid off used Honda civic and buy my work shirts off eBay for $15 a pop if that puts it into perspective...  :)   We are able to save about 40% of our income while still living a comfortable life in the Bay Area.  With no kids and no dog in an apartment of course...

However, the last six months I have time and time again thought about purchasing a rental property in an outside market out of state. I live in Oakland (SF Bay Area) and the prices are absolutely mental. It makes zero sense to work 50 hours a week only to spend a majority of your income on living expenses.  What's the point of life??  We only have a finite time on this earth and I want to make the most of it.

I have been looking at real estate markets from a Zillow price map and Memphis, CLE, Columbus, oh, St Louis and Indianapolis seem like you can get a home cash for 40-50K.  I am considering buying cash or at least %50 down.  I want to have a cash flow that makes sense so that when we hit our early 40's, the home will be outright paid off just from cash flow alone.  I want to start off in the "Long game" I guess you could say.

I am to the point where I can just google search Zillow, redfin etc... every night and think about...... I look at what's available for rent, then what's available for sale, then what has sold recently. I am not a mathematician but it just seems like a numbers game.  

I'm at the point in my life now where I CAN do it. And I WANT to do it. But now that I'm here, I will read a bit more and just eventually take action. I want to start small like maybe 40K Cash all in which means I'd have to finance. But looking to make like 8-10 percent ROI if possible.

What are your guy's experiences?  I see that Roofstock and other Turnkey sites have homes that are more expensive than what I'm searching for. 

Of course I need to find:

Contractors
Insurance company
Realtor/Property Manager

I am trying to avoid the middle man. Like everyone else, I want as much cash flow as possible. 

Sorry for the rant this is just where I stand and wondering what others do in this situation.

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Rental Property Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2015 · 120 posts · 99 votes
7y

@Daniel W. I've been there! The grind was OK for me until I had kids and realized how little of their life I was witnessing. Like you said, "what's the point?!" I am with you wholeheartedly. As you know, real estate is a reliable vehicle for regaining control of your time and your life. 

Columbus, OH is a fantastic market for just about any real estate strategy. You can absolutely find cash flowing deals for less than $50K. Because the investor market is so strong, you can also find reliable contractors and partners to help you on your journey. 

Good luck to you as you begin your quest. If you need anything or have specific questions, feel free to reach out. 

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  • St Louis, MO · Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    Hey Daniel! Good to see other newbie investors on here, I hope my advice is meaningful. I see you are interested in other markets. I'm from St. Louis (which is how I was directed to your comment) - I feel like there are some good investing opportunities in St. Louis and other midwest areas. I've also seen other comments on here, and heard BP podcast interviewees state that there are similar ROI (although possibly more expensive) opportunities in the suburban areas on the west coast, perhaps 20, 50 or 100 miles from the main city centers where property values have reached black hole space age epic astronomical proportions. Depending on your strategy, I would seriously consider looking within a few hours of home before looking halfway across the country. I'm personally in the same boat as you looking to get started, and being close to home is a big plus, as it is much easier to keep tabs on things when they are easily accessible.

  • Rental Property Investor · CA (orange county) · Member since 2019 · 67 posts · 20 votes
    7y

    @Nathan Anderson pretty hard to find a cash flow deal here in California, unfortunately... I’m also on the market to buy oos

  • Rental Property Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2015 · 120 posts · 99 votes
    7y

    @Daniel W. I've been there! The grind was OK for me until I had kids and realized how little of their life I was witnessing. Like you said, "what's the point?!" I am with you wholeheartedly. As you know, real estate is a reliable vehicle for regaining control of your time and your life. 

    Columbus, OH is a fantastic market for just about any real estate strategy. You can absolutely find cash flowing deals for less than $50K. Because the investor market is so strong, you can also find reliable contractors and partners to help you on your journey. 

    Good luck to you as you begin your quest. If you need anything or have specific questions, feel free to reach out. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Odessa, FL · Member since 2017 · 145 posts · 113 votes
    7y

    @Daniel W. welcome to the party!

    Seems like your a frugal individual thats been saving up to start investing. I think you got a  good start and will definitely recommend moving forward with your plans. 

    Do your research here on BP and also ask around your friends if maybe some of them has done investing in Real estate. I think Indianapolis could potentially fit your investing budget but you need to be careful where you buy. Some areas are great and some not so great. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Brentwood, CA · Member since 2018 · 285 posts · 225 votes
    7y

    @Daniel W. - I live in the Bay Area as well.  I also invest in St. Louis.  I just sent you a message to connect.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Mill Hall, PA · Member since 2018 · 12 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Daniel W. - welcome!!! Have you thought about house hacking (buying a multifamily, living in one unit and renting the others out)? Might help you save even more cash to purchase rentals out of state.

  • Rental Property Investor · Levittown, PA · Member since 2016 · 109 posts · 97 votes
    7y

    @Daniel W. welcome to the BP community!  Congrats on taking the first steps to getting into real estate investing.  

    I agree that this is 100% a numbers game and it will be important for you to be familiar with the market that you will be investing in.  Start using the BP calculator to help you estimate some different properties. 

    Getting your first property will be a combination of excitement along with stress!   The excitement will come naturally. You already seem to be somewhat knowledgeable in RE and finally taking the plunge is the best feeling!  But the stress will also come, and that is OK/natural.  But you can decrease your stress and anxiety right from the start by doing your homework and having a plan in place. You touched on the financing aspect, which is very important.  Now what are your plans for Renovations and hiring contractors? Property Management? Tenant Screening?  If you look through the BP forums, you can find so much advice on all of these topics.  I highly suggest utilizing them and asking lots of questions.   There are so many knowledgeable people on here that are always willing to give advice from hard lessons learned. 

    Best of luck to you!

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Daniel W.:

    Hi Guys and Gals, I just signed up tonight to bigger pockets. About six months back I was on the train coming home from work and got suggested a youtube video about "Evictions Gone Wrong " By James Wise Holton.  I watched it! It was about a city in Ohio (Maybe Cleveland??) and how the tenant was getting evicted by a sheriff and how they threw the tenants property to the curb. I just watched it for entertainment purposes strictly.. at least I thought.   After that, Youtube's suggestions auto-played a bigger pockets video, as well as a Morris investment videos.  The Brandon guy that is in all the BP videos seemed really like a normal genuine guy.   This kind of triggered my whole interest....      

     My wife and I (34 and 32) Have been talking about owning a home for years.  We could commit like everyone else... and be living check to check or being strapped with that mortgage.   But with our current apartment rent control situation, we have felt content and it made sense financially to keep renting.  I am also a very big saver.  I have this paranoia about saving money which my dad instilled in me. I'm not like super cheap and crazy where I"m eating canned beans, But I'm always conscious of my spending. I have a 2009 paid off used Honda civic and buy my work shirts off eBay for $15 a pop if that puts it into perspective...  :)   We are able to save about 40% of our income while still living a comfortable life in the Bay Area.  With no kids and no dog in an apartment of course...

    However, the last six months I have time and time again thought about purchasing a rental property in an outside market out of state. I live in Oakland (SF Bay Area) and the prices are absolutely mental. It makes zero sense to work 50 hours a week only to spend a majority of your income on living expenses.  What's the point of life??  We only have a finite time on this earth and I want to make the most of it.

    I have been looking at real estate markets from a Zillow price map and Memphis, CLE, Columbus, oh, St Louis and Indianapolis seem like you can get a home cash for 40-50K.  I am considering buying cash or at least %50 down.  I want to have a cash flow that makes sense so that when we hit our early 40's, the home will be outright paid off just from cash flow alone.  I want to start off in the "Long game" I guess you could say.

    I am to the point where I can just google search Zillow, redfin etc... every night and think about...... I look at what's available for rent, then what's available for sale, then what has sold recently. I am not a mathematician but it just seems like a numbers game.  

    I'm at the point in my life now where I CAN do it. And I WANT to do it. But now that I'm here, I will read a bit more and just eventually take action. I want to start small like maybe 40K Cash all in which means I'd have to finance. But looking to make like 8-10 percent ROI if possible.

    What are your guy's experiences?  I see that Roofstock and other Turnkey sites have homes that are more expensive than what I'm searching for. 

    Of course I need to find:

    Contractors
    Insurance company
    Realtor/Property Manager

    I am trying to avoid the middle man. Like everyone else, I want as much cash flow as possible. 

    Sorry for the rant this is just where I stand and wondering what others do in this situation.

     Welcome to the site Daniel. I'm glad my content sparked an interest in Real Estate for you. Good luck to you & feel free to tag me around the forums if you've got any pointed questions about the biz.

  • Rental Property Investor · Batavia, IL · Member since 2018 · 452 posts · 672 votes
    7y

    @Daniel W.Welcome to BP! Two things I want to comment on:

    1.  If you plan to invest in another market then I would highly suggest being patient and work on finding 1 or 2 people in that market (realtor, property manager etc) that you build a relationship with and trust to provide you quality information.  If you can't be there, then you NEED to work with someone in that market that you trust to answer questions and check things for you.  While real estate is a numbers game, when you're not around you need to rely on relationships to not only verify those numbers but also the plethora of factors in a property analysis that aren't quantifiable. 

    2. While you can find houses for 40-50k in some of those markets (disclosure: I am no expert in those markets), be very careful about buying anything for 50k outright because there is a high likelihood it is going to be in a rough area, have significant issues, or cost you money down the line in other ways. Cheap houses sound good in theory, but many of them will end up costing you far more in time, stress and money then you planned for.  This is why having a point person on the ground in that market is so critical to help you find a good property in that range. 

    Good luck and keep learning!

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2013 · 194 posts · 100 votes
    7y

    Hey @Daniel W., the only think I would urge you to consider in your “long game” plan is to use leverage more strategically, don’t be so scared of it. Do your research. We still have historicallly low interest rates. 

    There are 5 ways to make money in real estate: cash flow, appreciation, mortgage pay down, depreciation/tax write offs, and equity capture. Of course cash flow is king, and appreciation is a slow game in Midwest markets. But that mortgage pay down over 15-30 years is a massive wealth builder, and if you are light on leverage you are missing out on that whole side of the game.

    Also, leverage may enable you to buy class B properties instead of class C properties, getting you better tenants, more likely to capture more appreciation, and likely less hassles overall.

    So in St Louis this may looks like buying $100,000-$200,000 sfr and mfr properties in Florissant or Tower Grove, vs $50,000 in Ferguson or Dutchtown.

  • Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 694 votes
    7y

    Hey Matt!

    You may want to consider Oklahoma. I've seen a lot of investors from the bay area do really well here! I'll give you so high points but am happy to answer any specific questions you have. 

    To overview, we're incredibly stable with low cost of living and low unemployment. In the last recession with other markets saw 20% drops in their property values, we saw maybe 5.

    Because of the stability, we don't have a lot of distressed sellers. You can't get severely undervalued properties and do great with BRRR method super consistently, however price points for cash flowing rentals are great. You can buy properties that don't need to be rehabbed for 60k and still do great.

    We're very landlord friendly. You can do an eviction within a month for under $100.

    I'm happy to answer any questions. I just want to make sure OKC is on your radar!

  • Specialist · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 16 votes
    7y

    It's cheaper to soak and cook dry beans over eating canned beans, just saying! :) 

    Welcome!!

  • Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2014 · 592 posts · 765 votes
    7y

    Do not take investment advice from Clayton Morris.  Do a quick search of Morris Invest in the BiggerPockets search engine and you'll get yourself hours of perverse Schadenfreude material.

  • Rental Property Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2016 · 740 posts · 529 votes
    7y

    @Daniel W.

    @Daniel w. I just posted about this in another forum. Here is what I wrote. 

    I have been doing a hybrid brrr in Alabama- its a cashflow market and I love the lower property taxes, about half of Ohio. I work with a company there that finds the property for me to buy (distressed) They have their contractor scope the job, so I have all the numbers upfront, they have their property manager in place and they have the hard money lender in place and the end lender in place.

    So, basically its a hybrid because they do all the work- and I just grab one up as they come in. I think they have a short wait list right now.

    The numbers work out so that I end up with a renovated property that I used a hard money lender to purchase and pay for renovations. I put down 10% up front to hard money lender. And then that's about all that I end up putting down total. The end lender finishes up the refi- and then pays the hard money lender back, and I get the rest which goes towards the closing costs, etc. At the end of the day I have about 20% equity back in the deal and my total costs I put out are about 10-12%. If the appraisal comes in higher- I get a little extra back, if there is a low appraisal (knock on wood) I have a cushion in my numbers. I only expect about 1% rent to value ratio when complete. I don't have crazy expectations and am in it for the cashflow and doing as many properties as I can. I am waiting for my taxes-- so on hold til April. (They just sent me a couple that I had to pass on).

    I like this version of Brrr because I didn't do anything, and I only put 10-12% down rather than 20% down. The numbers work because the property are affordable and taxes are low there. I don't think this works in every market. Dm me if you want an intro w/ the contact.

    @Daniel W.undefined

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