Helping my son on his way to house hacking vs. renting to him.

Helping my son on his way to house hacking vs. renting to him.

Rental Property Investor · Reno/Tahoe, NV · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 9 votes

My son graduated from college last June and has been working part time and living in our house, but is planning on going to law school in the Fall of 2020. He and his buddies have been trying to find a house to rent, but haven't found anything yet. They are all in their early twenties with new jobs and little to no job and rental history. The area he is looking at is a decent established area and the rents would support the mortgage, taxes, and insurance but with just enough for repairs and maintenance and little to no return. He has inherited a little money from my parents that would cover a 10% down payment plus he has saved enough for another 5%. I was considering helping him out by cosigning a mortgage and helping with the closing costs, so he could house hack instead of renting.  I was thinking I could have a separate contract with him that would obligate him to make the payments in a timely manner and maintain the home in exchange for my cosigning the note. If he failed to maintain the home or make the mortgage payments on time, I would have a quit claim (signed by him when I cosign the note for him) that I would only file if things started to go sideways at some point. He is a smart young man, doesn't do drugs, but he can be a little lazy and is a bit of a slob. His friends are all good guys, but none of them are knocking it out of the park getting started with their lives.

As an alternative to him buying it, I could just buy it myself and rent it to him and his buddies, but then we would miss out on the lower down payment and lower interest rate of a first time home buyer. If I bought it, he would be have a decent cushion to pay for part of his law school tuition.

I am looking for thoughts and opinions.

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Naperville, IL · Member since 2018 · 330 posts · 357 votes
7y

If he's interested,  I'd help him buy a condo.  Far less maintenance issues.  But he has to deal with roommates.  Friends can be great or awful as roommates.  The side deal makes me nervous, though.  Who decides what is "proper" care of the place?  If you took over you might destroy the relationship.  My MIL gave us the down payment on our first house,  but we were closer to 30 as we have advanced degrees.  Just now our kids live in our U.S. home rent free as we are on 3-year Germany job assignment.  It works for us because we didn't want to store things or bring them here,  they care for the ancient dog, we have a home base when we visit the U.S., etc.  When we return we expect to give them each a  25% down payment on a condo,  whoever buys the cheaper condo will get cash to equalize the gifts.  Both work but neither are hugely ambitious,  that seems to be the way of people in their 20's more than before.  With a modest purchase both can get by with their unambitious earnings,  or bring in roommates and really boost the bottom line.  It will be up to them.  We will have done some reducing of our estate and know they have a roof over their head so no excuse to come asking to live at home again. :)

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  • Investor · Downers Grove, IL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 955 votes
    7y

    I think it's a great idea to co-sign with your son, and have an exit plan if he fails. 

    Have you asked him what he prefers? Being a landlord is not everyone. 

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y

    Hi Jeremy,

    I've seen situations like this go sideways quickly, and it's always the Father who gets the anguish.

    Not so much the rent, but the maintenance and the little things like he wants to do his own thing and you expect another thing. And when Dad's expectations are not met, Dad bears the anguish while Jr. continues to do his own thing.

    If it were me, I'd either buy the place, and let him live there rent free, maintenance free, and let him pick the co-renters who pay rent, and anticipate some months short rent too so as not to be blindsided by his friends not having it and letting it cause anguish.

    Or, to avoid the anguish as much as possible, rent it to others and have him stay in student housing on campus. Maybe he will meet a nice girl there and settle down. Then you can gift the rental to him for a small down-payment if he wants to own it in addition to working as an attorney.

    Just my thoughts.

    Good Luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · NC · Member since 2018 · 776 posts · 776 votes
    7y

    Hey Jeremy,

    Sounds like your son has some drive to be attending law school next year! Does he want to purchase the home or are you pushing this on him? There are ways for parents to co-sign leases for children who have no credit. My other question is after he graduates from college, who keeps the property? Making him turn into a landlord may be tough if he hasn't had much exposure to RE or doesn't want part of it. 

  • Mesa, AZ · Member since 2018 · 35 posts · 34 votes
    7y

    @Jeremy Gray Hi Jermey, thought I’d give my 2 cents from the perspective of a recent college graduate. I did not have this same experience but just a few thoughts. I think a big part of this is dependent on if your son wants to landlord/house hack. Personally when I was in grad school I did not have the time or desire to be a landlord because all my focus was on studying. I also do not think I had the skill set or confidence to landlord properly with my friends (wouldn’t of felt comfortable or been assertive enough), so a part of this may be helping him through the process of becoming a landlord.

    That being said if your son is interested in REI this would be a great opportunity! I wish I had known more about house hacking and everything when I was in college. Also if he hasn't read it already I'd recommend buying him a copy of Set for Life by Scott Trench as a graduation gift!

  • Rental Property Investor · Hawthorne, CA · Member since 2018 · 655 posts · 900 votes
    7y

    @Jeremy Gray

    I think it is a great idea if your son is 100% on board with the plan.  If not then you doing it would be better because then you have control of the whole thing and can be treated like one of your other real estate investments.

    I am thinking of doing the same thing for my kids who are undergrads out of California in markets where house prices are low.  There was a thread where a father did this for his daughter at the University of Cincinatti.  I wonder how that is working out now.

    I would be interested to see what you actually do and how it turns out.

  • Naperville, IL · Member since 2018 · 330 posts · 357 votes
    7y

    If he's interested,  I'd help him buy a condo.  Far less maintenance issues.  But he has to deal with roommates.  Friends can be great or awful as roommates.  The side deal makes me nervous, though.  Who decides what is "proper" care of the place?  If you took over you might destroy the relationship.  My MIL gave us the down payment on our first house,  but we were closer to 30 as we have advanced degrees.  Just now our kids live in our U.S. home rent free as we are on 3-year Germany job assignment.  It works for us because we didn't want to store things or bring them here,  they care for the ancient dog, we have a home base when we visit the U.S., etc.  When we return we expect to give them each a  25% down payment on a condo,  whoever buys the cheaper condo will get cash to equalize the gifts.  Both work but neither are hugely ambitious,  that seems to be the way of people in their 20's more than before.  With a modest purchase both can get by with their unambitious earnings,  or bring in roommates and really boost the bottom line.  It will be up to them.  We will have done some reducing of our estate and know they have a roof over their head so no excuse to come asking to live at home again. :)

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    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    This is a tough one, only you know what kind of kid you are talking about and there are so many moving pieces. Certainly there is more maturity in entering law school then undergrad so you have that going for you. However, it seems like either way you are looking to buy a place for him to live in, it is only a question of how to structure it. If that is the case I would not complicate it by having him buy it. Although your plan sounds viable it is a strech to expect he would qualify for a loan and there is not much to gain by putting it in his name. (Unless it is an owner occupied HUD house or something like that) In addition, the numbers have to be different with a different down payment. I would run the numbers with each of them renting by the room and splitting utilities. I would treat it like a rental, sort of, but have him do small maintenance items but you repair the big stuff. Also if he has a good head on his shoulders you can let him handle direct vendor calls if there are issues. Give him either a % off his rent or some earned equity over the course of time he lives there if all goes well. (He keeps it fully occupied).

  • Rental Property Investor · Reno/Tahoe, NV · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 9 votes
    7y

    I appreciate all the advice. What I have done is I asked him to listen to some of the BP podcasts dealing with house hacking. Hearing the stories that others have experienced will give him an idea of what other people have done and how it has provided both opportunities and challenges. Ultimately it comes down to if he wants to be a real estate investor or a just a tenant. I considered the condo vs. house. The potential upside in this area is much greater for a house, although the trade off is maintenance issues are much greater with a house and yard. The choice will be up to him and he may chose neither option and elect to just rent a place from someone else. Whatever he decides, I will be good with it and I am confident that he will find his own path.

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