How to sell a house despite lower comps

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Residential Real Estate Broker · Sedona, AZ · Member since 2017 · 751 posts · 504 votes
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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Chad McMahan:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

@Scott Jensen has a good idea! Also, consider paying a private appraiser to tell you what the property will eventually appraise for.

Also, to piggy back on Bruce's suggestion- often times you can hand a recent separate/private and certified appraisal to the appraiser the lender hired and it will heavily influence their appraisal. Great way to go, if you feel the private appraisal is strong.
If you know it will be tricky, I recommend you independently hire an appraisal, maybe toss some strong comps to them, to encourage good numbers, then, with private appraisal report in-hand, proceed with the lender's appraiser, get their report turned in- and if it is low, forward the private appraisal to the lender who can forward it to their appraiser for a "reconsideration of value".

Great ideas^^^ Chad knows more about this since he is a Realtor. I do know that a lot of good Realtors will even meet the Appraiser and hand them a bunch of comps and reasons why the number should be higher....

If the appraiser allows meeting like this, it's hugely helpful to the final valuation.
Bruce Woodruff = 5 Stars
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  • Lancaster, CA · Member since 2011 · 20 posts · 4 votes
    3y

    @David Ramirez - I'm willing to provide some buyer support, but my primary goal is to cash out. Your suggestion is interesting, but likely becomes a bit more complicated or involved than is reasonable for me at this time.

  • Member since 2023 · 3 posts · 3 votes
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    Quote from @Eric Noble:

    @Carl Fanaro - Interesting possibility. I've heard of L/O, but do not understand how to manage. Can this be professionally managed (outsourced) ?


     Yes of course. Just like a rental can be managed. It all depends on your comfort level but if you are out of town I think it's always a good idea to have reputable and professional management in place. It's easy to fall into the "out of sight out of mind" syndrome and you want someone physically checking on the property here and there. Even if you have to pay the management a few extra bucks to go change the AC filter every 45 or 60 days and snap a few pictures for you, it's worth it. Don't forget you have to manage the management lol, not all property managers were created equal. 

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Sedona, AZ · Member since 2017 · 751 posts · 504 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Scott Jensen has a good idea! Also, consider paying a private appraiser to tell you what the property will eventually appraise for.

    Also, to piggy back on Bruce's suggestion- often times you can hand a recent separate/private and certified appraisal to the appraiser the lender hired and it will heavily influence their appraisal. Great way to go, if you feel the private appraisal is strong.
    If you know it will be tricky, I recommend you independently hire an appraisal, maybe toss some strong comps to them, to encourage good numbers, then, with private appraisal report in-hand, proceed with the lender's appraiser, get their report turned in- and if it is low, forward the private appraisal to the lender who can forward it to their appraiser for a "reconsideration of value".
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    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Chad McMahan:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Scott Jensen has a good idea! Also, consider paying a private appraiser to tell you what the property will eventually appraise for.

    Also, to piggy back on Bruce's suggestion- often times you can hand a recent separate/private and certified appraisal to the appraiser the lender hired and it will heavily influence their appraisal. Great way to go, if you feel the private appraisal is strong.
    If you know it will be tricky, I recommend you independently hire an appraisal, maybe toss some strong comps to them, to encourage good numbers, then, with private appraisal report in-hand, proceed with the lender's appraiser, get their report turned in- and if it is low, forward the private appraisal to the lender who can forward it to their appraiser for a "reconsideration of value".

    Great ideas^^^ Chad knows more about this since he is a Realtor. I do know that a lot of good Realtors will even meet the Appraiser and hand them a bunch of comps and reasons why the number should be higher....

  • Investor · Pasadena, CA · Member since 2017 · 612 posts · 523 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Eric Noble:

    @Brad S. - In assessing a property's value, is it reasonable to combine value of the 'comps' and improvements ? My basis for believing this house is worth more than the next door neighbor's is founded on the swimming pool and guest house. I understand that the property is only worth what the market is willing to pay and that if I price it unreasonably, then it will sit forever. It's a diamond in the rough and I'd prefer to sell the diamond.

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    I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by "combine." I'm, thinking you are asking, how are your houses' additional amenities of a pool and guest house valued, if the comps in the area do not have those same amenities?
    So, I'll throw out a couple of thoughts here to hopefully shed some light on that.
    The best way to value a property is to look for examples of similar recent sales (comps) with similar amenities, characteristics, and features. So, first would be to search for houses in the neighborhood (market area) that are similar in gla (gross living area - size), lot size, location, year built, bed/bath counts, # of stories, amenities (pool, guest house, etc), quality and condition, etc. Many times you can find semi-similar comps, but missing some of the amenities the Subject (your house) has, like the pool and guest house. The proper way to approach this issue is to approach it from multiple angles, some of which are:
    1) Go further back in time - look for older sales of properties with similar amenities. So, an Appraiser should look at "old" sales which have similar amenities (pool, guest house, etc) and then adjust for any difference in market conditions. Simplified Example: a property sold 18 months ago for $100k with a similar pool and guest house as the Subject, and the Appraiser determines the market appreciated 10%. Then that comp would be adjusted to $110k to account for the market difference.
    2) Go to other neighborhoods to find similar comps - look for sales with similar amenities in other neighborhoods (hopefully competing neighborhoods). Then, the appraiser would determine any market differences between the neighborhoods and adjust accordingly. Example: comp with pool and guest house sold in adjacent neighborhood for $100k, and appraiser determines properties in the comp neighborhood typically sell for around 10% below the Subject's neighborhood. Then the comp would be adjusted to $110k, to account for the inferior location. And if the comp sold 18 months ago, the appraiser would again, determine if a market adjustment is also necessary (see #1 above)
    3) Depreciated Cost - Estimate the cost to build and then apply an estimated depreciation amount. The appraiser would use a data source to estimate the cost to build the pool or guest house and then they would estimate the depreciation of that item. The depreciation part is the tricky part. That may be based on age, condition, function, etc. Example: Appraiser uses cost estimation source to calculates the cost to build the guest house new at $100k and they further estimate the depreciation of the guest house at 30k, therefore, their final estimate would be $70k value for the guest house.

    A couple of more thoughts
    * The best way to estimate value of something is always "what someone is willing to pay for it."  And the best evidence of that, is a similar house with same amenities located next door that sold yesterday. But, that does not typically happen.
    * If a property has atypical amenities, that may mean those amenities may not be as desirable or marginally valuable to the market or potential buyers in that area. Basically, if all the houses in the neighborhood do not have pools and the Subject property does have a pool, that may suggest the Subject pool is an over-improvement and may either be less desirable for that market, or in some cases, this can actually decrease the value of a house (not typically though). Same with a guest house, the value of the guest house may be less than the value of the main house gla. Example: main gla may have an incremental value of $100/sf and the market may value the guest house gla at $50/sf.
    Note sure if that helps at all, but I am happy to attempt to answer anything else, if you like.
  • Rental Property Investor · Tremonton, UT · Member since 2018 · 26 posts · 10 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Eric Noble:

    @Carl Fanaro - Interesting possibility. I've heard of L/O, but do not understand how to manage. Can this be professionally managed (outsourced) ?

     I am actually curious about this question.  Incredible thought to even think of it.  I imagine there are fees involved whether this has to be through an attorney or property manager as a representative.  I imagine that their would need to be some kind of PoA to do this hands off with little exception.  If their is anyone with more specifics whether it be nationwide or California specific I would love more information.

    @Eric Nobile

    I am enjoying your thought process unfold in the creative dissolution of your properties, specifically your diamond in the rough.  As for thoughts.  I am not entirely certain hands off will happen.  At the local comps.  It does not seem like local comps specifically exist.  I think at this point you need to make your sale target specific to the buyer you intend to sell too and ask yourself and others how to sell to "them."  Know what it's worth and ask for that.  Someone that realizes the same "Diamond in the Rough" and is willing to pay for that .  Think about how do you target that buyer, who do you need to bring on to your temporary team to make your sale to your target buyer?  I am no specialist, but I love this process.  If a realtor seems apprehensive or negative to your desired result then I don't think they are right for you.  Local realtors will know the market, however as a friend I know a realtor in Washington State that sells massive amounts of real Estate even in this downturn that is invaluable to the the buyers and sellers that she represents.  I suggest you diligently seek out someone that has a respect and appreciation for the value of your home.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Sedona, AZ · Member since 2017 · 751 posts · 504 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Chad McMahan:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Scott Jensen has a good idea! Also, consider paying a private appraiser to tell you what the property will eventually appraise for.

    Also, to piggy back on Bruce's suggestion- often times you can hand a recent separate/private and certified appraisal to the appraiser the lender hired and it will heavily influence their appraisal. Great way to go, if you feel the private appraisal is strong.
    If you know it will be tricky, I recommend you independently hire an appraisal, maybe toss some strong comps to them, to encourage good numbers, then, with private appraisal report in-hand, proceed with the lender's appraiser, get their report turned in- and if it is low, forward the private appraisal to the lender who can forward it to their appraiser for a "reconsideration of value".

    Great ideas^^^ Chad knows more about this since he is a Realtor. I do know that a lot of good Realtors will even meet the Appraiser and hand them a bunch of comps and reasons why the number should be higher....

    If the appraiser allows meeting like this, it's hugely helpful to the final valuation.
    Bruce Woodruff = 5 Stars
    #TheBruceMeister
  • Lancaster, CA · Member since 2011 · 20 posts · 4 votes
    3y

    @Bruce Woodruff, @Chad McMahan - This does appear to be an approach which would strengthen my negotiating position during the sale, while increasing the price parameters. Thank you !

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Sedona, AZ · Member since 2017 · 751 posts · 504 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Eric Noble:

    @Bruce Woodruff, @Chad McMahan - This does appear to be an approach which would strengthen my negotiating position during the sale, while increasing the price parameters. Thank you !

    Let us know how it goes. Good luck!
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