I’m a new investor looking to start a brrrr rental portfolio through section 8. I’m curious as to what drives people away from properties. I’m mainly curious of the age of the home. How old is too old?
Landon, I would not set a hard age cutoff. Most of my 236 Memphis houses are older single-family homes, and age alone does not tell you whether the numbers work. What matters is the rehab: I budget around $40,000 on a typical deal, and I look for the work that actually moves the ARV, like turning a 2-bedroom, 1-bath into a 3-bedroom, 1-bath or a 3-bedroom, 1-bath into a 4-bedroom, 2-bath. Buy under $100,000, ARV $180,000 to $265,000, rent $1,395 to $1,950 for a 3-bedroom on Section 8, and the rent has to cover vacancy, repairs, CapEx, property management, taxes, insurance, and the DSCR payment at 70 to 80% LTV. If the rehab is scoped right and the rent still passes the 1% rule, an older house is fine. If it does not, I pass, whatever year it was built.
Great question, Landon — and welcome to the Memphis market. Age alone doesn't make a house too old; condition and the cost to get it rent-ready do. Here in Memphis, plenty of 1950s–1970s homes rent well when they've been maintained, and plenty of newer ones don't.
What pushes me away is a roof, HVAC, plumbing, or electrical system at the end of its life with no budget to replace it. Those are the items that turn a deal upside down, especially on a BRRRR, where your refinance depends on the appraisal coming back strong.
For Section 8, remember the home also has to pass an inspection, so an older home needs to be truly habitable, not just standing. My advice: get a thorough inspection, price the big-ticket items honestly, and don't let a low purchase price hide a big repair bill. What's the oldest home you're looking at right now?
The build year rarely kills a deal on its own, but whether the house can be insured at a sane price can. Asking this before you have money tied up in one is the right order. Plenty of carriers get picky or pricey on older homes with original wiring, an aging roof or galvanized pipes. That premium goes straight into the payment a DSCR lender measures the rent against on your refinance, so a high quote can shrink the cash you pull back out. The second cost is paint. For Section 8, a pre-1978 house where a child under 6 will live usually has to have any chipped or peeling paint stabilized with lead-safe work practices before it passes, and that labor is easy to leave out of a rehab budget. Have you priced insurance on one of the houses you're looking at yet?
@landonm77 Landon, age matters less than what's been replaced. On any older rental I'd price these systems one by one:
Roof age and condition
Furnace and AC age
Electrical: panel brand and capacity, and any knob-and-tube left
Plumbing: galvanized supply lines, and a camera scope of the main sewer line
Foundation and water management (grading, gutters, basement moisture) For Section 8, houses built before 1978 bring lead-based paint rules, and inspectors look closely at chipped or peeling paint, so budget for paint work. A 1920s house with a newer roof, updated electrical and a newer furnace can be a better rental than a 1985 house with everything original. Before you buy, get the housing authority's payment standard and its inspection checklist, and price the rehab line by line against them. What year-built and price range are you seeing in your target areas?
Landon, I would not set a hard age cutoff. Most of my 236 Memphis houses are older single-family homes, and age alone does not tell you whether the numbers work. What matters is the rehab: I budget around $40,000 on a typical deal, and I look for the work that actually moves the ARV, like turning a 2-bedroom, 1-bath into a 3-bedroom, 1-bath or a 3-bedroom, 1-bath into a 4-bedroom, 2-bath. Buy under $100,000, ARV $180,000 to $265,000, rent $1,395 to $1,950 for a 3-bedroom on Section 8, and the rent has to cover vacancy, repairs, CapEx, property management, taxes, insurance, and the DSCR payment at 70 to 80% LTV. If the rehab is scoped right and the rent still passes the 1% rule, an older house is fine. If it does not, I pass, whatever year it was built.
in 2011, I bought the oldest home in the southern Appalachians - circa 1820. It was right near downtown Gatlinburg. It rented very well before it burned to the ground 6 years later. I miss that old place.