Seller financing 15% buyer 10%, still can't get a commercial loan

Seller financing 15% buyer 10%, still can't get a commercial loan

New York, New York (NY) · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 2 votes

Looking for some advice and or creative ideas on a commercial property I'm in contract on. Seller has offered to hold 10 to 15% of the property at a great rate for 8 years. I'm being denied a mortgage because I'm only putting down 10% and there is a second mortgage to the owner. The commercial property is one commercial on the main floor and 3 residential units above it. Very cash flow positive even with 2 mortgages.


Does anyone know if Commercial Lenders would create a mortgage on 75% with the buyer putting down 10% and the seller holding 15%? Or if Commercial Lenders that would be open to just 10 or 15% down on a commercial property?

Love to hear any creative advice on my options.

Thanks in advance!

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Full time investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2013 · 405 posts · 312 votes
9y

I would look to a local lender and throw them a bone such as refi'ing your other properties with them if they get this deal done.  I say it a lot but I would rather pay a little higher to know that my lender will always finance my deals.  I believe you should build a relationship with a good local lender.

I contact my lender when I am under contract then again when I know the closing date.  It's nice not to have to submit miles of paperwork with new lenders each time.

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  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 52 posts · 18 votes
    9y

    Hi Tom,

    I would love to hear an answer to your question.  we are looking at a commercial property on wed. it's a private sale 

    we met w a commercial banker today.   we currently own only residential properties.

  • Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2015 · 58 posts · 23 votes
    9y

    @Tom Anderson great job on finding the property and working with the seller to create a good deal for both parties. 

    You may need to ask your lender, or shop around to other lenders. Typically a lender wants to see a net worth of at least the value of the loan, and liquidity of 6 months of payments. If you don't meet those requirements, then you may need to bring someone on who does. 

    Talk to some other lenders, and pick their brains on what their requirements are. 

    All the best!

  • Contractor · Miami, FL · Member since 2015 · 113 posts · 11 votes
    9y

    @Tom Anderson I would ask the seller to finance the whole thing for a few years until you build up your equity/down payment.  anther option is to not go to banks. they are the cheapest place to borrow from but they want to know everything about you, they are conservative (ie: want 20% or so down payment), who knows in the big pile of paperwork it probably says you are signing your first born away.

    i would need to know more about the property and about you before i can recommend a lender.  intentioncapital.com is a good mortgage broker. Jeff is the person over there that you would want to talk to.  His minimum is 1 million.  He told me a long time ago that it takes the same amount of effort to raise a million as it does to raise 40k.

  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2016 · 296 posts · 243 votes
    9y

    I'd turn to an online broker such as LendBase or Velocity mortgage.  

    I am in NO WAY affiliated with either of them, but have had positive experiences with their staff.  very informative and professional.  

    Probably goes without saying, but your personal balance sheet needs to look decent as well as your FICO.  Especially if its your first deal.  

  • Full time investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2013 · 405 posts · 312 votes
    9y

    I would look to a local lender and throw them a bone such as refi'ing your other properties with them if they get this deal done.  I say it a lot but I would rather pay a little higher to know that my lender will always finance my deals.  I believe you should build a relationship with a good local lender.

    I contact my lender when I am under contract then again when I know the closing date.  It's nice not to have to submit miles of paperwork with new lenders each time.

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ/PA · Member since 2016 · 555 posts · 149 votes
    9y

    Will 20-30% down make the loan easier?

  • Professional · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2014 · 12 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    In 2015 I had an approved loan through Patch of Land who are willing to work with borrowers if the deal is right. They are a HML so the rates are quite a bit higher than the banks, but within that context I thought they were fair. You should put the deal in front of them. My deal did not work out, but I appreciated their professionalism.

    Best of luck!

    I am not associated with Patch of Land in any way and will not receive any compensation from them for this post. I do not currently have a loan through them.

  • Real Estate Agent · Englewood, NJ · Member since 2017 · 95 posts · 31 votes
    9y

    You will get a lot more interest in this deal from commercial lenders as soon as you commit to putting 25% - 30% down.  Your phone will not stop ringing as long as the property cash flows.  Bottom line, you need more skin in the game to get this deal done, bring in a partner, or see if the seller is willing to carry the note until you are able to complete a Cash Out Refinance in about 12 months. Good luck.

  • Peter TverdovBusiness Member
    Developer · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Orkeem Davis:

    You will get a lot more interest in this deal from commercial lenders as soon as you commit to putting 25% - 30% down.  Your phone will not stop ringing as long as the property cash flows.  Bottom line, you need more skin in the game to get this deal done, bring in a partner, or see if the seller is willing to carry the note until you are able to complete a Cash Out Refinance in about 12 months. Good luck.

    You wouldn't be able to CORF for more than 65 or 70% of ARV, the deal would have to have a significant value add otherwise he's in the same place just 12 months later.

    There are banks that can do it - you need to call around. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Englewood, NJ · Member since 2017 · 95 posts · 31 votes
    9y

    I see what you are saying, but he will be in a completely different place.  He will be the owner of the property.  He will have control of the property.  Definitely, a different place.

  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Tom Anderson

    You're looking at having to put down 20% with the seller taking a 2nd for anything the lender won't provide.  Most national lender have cltv restrictions to 80%.

  • Syndicator and Fund Manager · Victor, NY · Member since 2012 · 760 posts · 345 votes
    9y

    I have personally brokered deals where the buyer put only 10% down with a seller second. Bank provided 70-75%. 

    It's tough to do and not all deals will qualify but it certainly is doable in some circumstances. 

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