Commercial Real Estate Loan for deals under $300k

Commercial Real Estate Loan for deals under $300k

Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2008 · 72 posts · 40 votes

Im trying to execute my first commercial deal (currently own 23 residential doors) on a 6 unit apartment in Illinois. It's feeling near impossible to find funding as nearly all of the lenders I've called either require you to be local to apply or the deal has to be over $x million.  I have called multiple local banks and they are all "talking to their loan officer team" and will get back to me. 

The only one where I've found a somewhat positive response was Wells Fargo. They do deals as low as $50K, 15 years, 1% origination, 5.37% Apr, 60 days to close. 

Where are you getting commercial loans that are as good as or better than this Wells Fargo example?  Would love something that at least amortizes out to 25 if not 30 years. 

I'm a top shelf borrower with 800 credit score, over $150k cash and multi million dollar residential portfolio. 

Thanks for the inputs. 

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Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
6y

Steve,

I invest in Illinois.  Where is the property located?  Illinois? One of the banks where I finance some of my investment properties work with out of state investors. I can refer you. PM me please.

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  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 184 posts · 87 votes
    6y

    Local credit unions and banks are likely to have lower minimums on commercial loans.  They may require you to be in the region, however.  I personally have a few commercial loans originated by a credit union that are under $75K (10 year term & 25 year amort) and secured by real estate/leases.

  • Lender · Mokena, IL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 261 votes
    6y

    Steve,

    I invest in Illinois.  Where is the property located?  Illinois? One of the banks where I finance some of my investment properties work with out of state investors. I can refer you. PM me please.

  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Steve LeBlanc:

    Im trying to execute my first commercial deal (currently own 23 residential doors) on a 6 unit apartment in Illinois. It's feeling near impossible to find funding as nearly all of the lenders I've called either require you to be local to apply or the deal has to be over $x million.  I have called multiple local banks and they are all "talking to their loan officer team" and will get back to me. 

    The only one where I've found a somewhat positive response was Wells Fargo. They do deals as low as $50K, 15 years, 1% origination, 5.37% Apr, 60 days to close. 

    Where are you getting commercial loans that are as good as or better than this Wells Fargo example?  Would love something that at least amortizes out to 25 if not 30 years. 

    I'm a top shelf borrower with 800 credit score, over $150k cash and multi million dollar residential portfolio. 

    Thanks for the inputs. 

    To be honest, your stats don't matter much in the commercial world. No one does 30 year commercial, mostly 20 maybe 25. Even with you personal credit, they don't want the property to fail and have to sue you personally to collect on the note. 6 unit is a very small commercial deal and not worth most lenders' time.

    Local lenders who know you are going to able to provide best deals for this type of project.

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2008 · 72 posts · 40 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Ronald Rohde:
    Originally posted by @Steve LeBlanc:

    Im trying to execute my first commercial deal (currently own 23 residential doors) on a 6 unit apartment in Illinois. It's feeling near impossible to find funding as nearly all of the lenders I've called either require you to be local to apply or the deal has to be over $x million.  I have called multiple local banks and they are all "talking to their loan officer team" and will get back to me. 

    The only one where I've found a somewhat positive response was Wells Fargo. They do deals as low as $50K, 15 years, 1% origination, 5.37% Apr, 60 days to close. 

    Where are you getting commercial loans that are as good as or better than this Wells Fargo example?  Would love something that at least amortizes out to 25 if not 30 years. 

    I'm a top shelf borrower with 800 credit score, over $150k cash and multi million dollar residential portfolio. 

    Thanks for the inputs. 

    To be honest, your stats don't matter much in the commercial world. No one does 30 year commercial, mostly 20 maybe 25. Even with you personal credit, they don't want the property to fail and have to sue you personally to collect on the note. 6 unit is a very small commercial deal and not worth most lenders' time.

    Local lenders who know you are going to able to provide best deals for this type of project.

    Surprises abound.  Found a lender that actually does a 30 year fixed rate loan on commercial property, and as low as $100K, and a national lender.    

  • Member since 2019 · 106 posts · 32 votes
    6y

    @Steve LeBlanc

    Mind if you share the lender with the group? I am in the same boat and having difficulty

  • Investor · Johns Creek, GA · Member since 2017 · 463 posts · 488 votes
    6y

    @Steve LeBlanc First of all, congrats! Commercial loans lower than $300k is tough. With the amount of cash you have, you should consider seller fianancing. Although less common for apartments than in mobile home parks where I've done seller financing deals, but they are out there. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2008 · 72 posts · 40 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Sam B.:

    @Steve LeBlanc

    Mind if you share the lender with the group? I am in the same boat and having difficulty

    Reach out to Millie Corripio with Commercial Direct. They are in Coral Gables, FL.  Please let me/us know if you have any success.

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2008 · 72 posts · 40 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Charlotte Dunford:

    @Steve LeBlanc First of all, congrats! Commercial loans lower than $300k is tough. With the amount of cash you have, you should consider seller fianancing. Although less common for apartments than in mobile home parks where I've done seller financing deals, but they are out there. 

     Thank you Jingwen.  This was such an eye opener...the difficulty in securing funding in this arena.  Even though I canceled the contract due to inspection findings, it was a good lesson. 

  • Investor · Johns Creek, GA · Member since 2017 · 463 posts · 488 votes
    6y

    @Steve LeBlanc Consider changing your arena maybe? Pivot to a less saturated space such as mobile home parks (I'm here), self-storage, mini-storage, note investing. Apartments are incredibly competitive. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Boston, Massachusetts (MA) · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Steve LeBlanc sigh, it’s amazing how many folks are short term thinkers, banks included.

    Find a small (500M-1B) and likely local bank that does portfolio lending for clients. Find a loan officer who is smarter and harder working than average and can lend nationally. Get to know them and say you are looking for a primary banking relationship as you reposition to commercial. And you should be looking for this.

    Talk with them about bundling a few of your mortgages together into a commercial refi either for this project or future (you may need to actually do this).

    Go through a few conversations and you can learn a lort about portfolio requirements, lending parameters/constraints and goals of the bank and loan officer. You will find them getting more and more reaponsive

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2008 · 72 posts · 40 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

    @Steve LeBlanc sigh, it’s amazing how many folks are short term thinkers, banks included.

    Find a small (500M-1B) and likely local bank that does portfolio lending for clients. Find a loan officer who is smarter and harder working than average and can lend nationally. Get to know them and say you are looking for a primary banking relationship as you reposition to commercial. And you should be looking for this.

    Talk with them about bundling a few of your mortgages together into a commercial refi either for this project or future (you may need to actually do this).

    Go through a few conversations and you can learn a lort about portfolio requirements, lending parameters/constraints and goals of the bank and loan officer. You will find them getting more and more reaponsive

     It was quite the eye-opener.  Even though I canceled the contract on the unit I was looking to purchase, it was a great exercise in hunting down appropriate funding. I appreciate your suggestion to try to develop a relationship with a local bank.

  • Member since 2019 · 106 posts · 32 votes
    6y

    @Steve LeBlanc

    Thanks for your help Steve!

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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    6y

    National lenders usually do not want to deal with smaller properties. Not enough interest made on the loan and small assets typically in micro towns they have no clue how to dispose of the asset if they foreclose. 

    Commercial mortgage brokers most have a floor of minimum 10,000 fee. Example might charge 1% but if below 1 million then 10k minimum still.

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