Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2008 · 72 posts · 40 votes
Im trying to execute my first commercial deal (currently own 23 residential doors) on a 6 unit apartment in Illinois. It's feeling near impossible to find funding as nearly all of the lenders I've called either require you to be local to apply or the deal has to be over $x million. I have called multiple local banks and they are all "talking to their loan officer team" and will get back to me.
The only one where I've found a somewhat positive response was Wells Fargo. They do deals as low as $50K, 15 years, 1% origination, 5.37% Apr, 60 days to close.
Where are you getting commercial loans that are as good as or better than this Wells Fargo example? Would love something that at least amortizes out to 25 if not 30 years.
I'm a top shelf borrower with 800 credit score, over $150k cash and multi million dollar residential portfolio.
I invest in Illinois. Where is the property located? Illinois? One of the banks where I finance some of my investment properties work with out of state investors. I can refer you. PM me please.
Local credit unions and banks are likely to have lower minimums on commercial loans. They may require you to be in the region, however. I personally have a few commercial loans originated by a credit union that are under $75K (10 year term & 25 year amort) and secured by real estate/leases.
I invest in Illinois. Where is the property located? Illinois? One of the banks where I finance some of my investment properties work with out of state investors. I can refer you. PM me please.
Im trying to execute my first commercial deal (currently own 23 residential doors) on a 6 unit apartment in Illinois. It's feeling near impossible to find funding as nearly all of the lenders I've called either require you to be local to apply or the deal has to be over $x million. I have called multiple local banks and they are all "talking to their loan officer team" and will get back to me.
The only one where I've found a somewhat positive response was Wells Fargo. They do deals as low as $50K, 15 years, 1% origination, 5.37% Apr, 60 days to close.
Where are you getting commercial loans that are as good as or better than this Wells Fargo example? Would love something that at least amortizes out to 25 if not 30 years.
I'm a top shelf borrower with 800 credit score, over $150k cash and multi million dollar residential portfolio.
Thanks for the inputs.
To be honest, your stats don't matter much in the commercial world. No one does 30 year commercial, mostly 20 maybe 25. Even with you personal credit, they don't want the property to fail and have to sue you personally to collect on the note. 6 unit is a very small commercial deal and not worth most lenders' time.
Local lenders who know you are going to able to provide best deals for this type of project.
Im trying to execute my first commercial deal (currently own 23 residential doors) on a 6 unit apartment in Illinois. It's feeling near impossible to find funding as nearly all of the lenders I've called either require you to be local to apply or the deal has to be over $x million. I have called multiple local banks and they are all "talking to their loan officer team" and will get back to me.
The only one where I've found a somewhat positive response was Wells Fargo. They do deals as low as $50K, 15 years, 1% origination, 5.37% Apr, 60 days to close.
Where are you getting commercial loans that are as good as or better than this Wells Fargo example? Would love something that at least amortizes out to 25 if not 30 years.
I'm a top shelf borrower with 800 credit score, over $150k cash and multi million dollar residential portfolio.
Thanks for the inputs.
To be honest, your stats don't matter much in the commercial world. No one does 30 year commercial, mostly 20 maybe 25. Even with you personal credit, they don't want the property to fail and have to sue you personally to collect on the note. 6 unit is a very small commercial deal and not worth most lenders' time.
Local lenders who know you are going to able to provide best deals for this type of project.
Surprises abound. Found a lender that actually does a 30 year fixed rate loan on commercial property, and as low as $100K, and a national lender.
@Steve LeBlanc First of all, congrats! Commercial loans lower than $300k is tough. With the amount of cash you have, you should consider seller fianancing. Although less common for apartments than in mobile home parks where I've done seller financing deals, but they are out there.
@Steve LeBlanc First of all, congrats! Commercial loans lower than $300k is tough. With the amount of cash you have, you should consider seller fianancing. Although less common for apartments than in mobile home parks where I've done seller financing deals, but they are out there.
Thank you Jingwen. This was such an eye opener...the difficulty in securing funding in this arena. Even though I canceled the contract due to inspection findings, it was a good lesson.
@Steve LeBlanc Consider changing your arena maybe? Pivot to a less saturated space such as mobile home parks (I'm here), self-storage, mini-storage, note investing. Apartments are incredibly competitive.
@Steve LeBlanc sigh, it’s amazing how many folks are short term thinkers, banks included.
Find a small (500M-1B) and likely local bank that does portfolio lending for clients. Find a loan officer who is smarter and harder working than average and can lend nationally. Get to know them and say you are looking for a primary banking relationship as you reposition to commercial. And you should be looking for this.
Talk with them about bundling a few of your mortgages together into a commercial refi either for this project or future (you may need to actually do this).
Go through a few conversations and you can learn a lort about portfolio requirements, lending parameters/constraints and goals of the bank and loan officer. You will find them getting more and more reaponsive
@Steve LeBlanc sigh, it’s amazing how many folks are short term thinkers, banks included.
Find a small (500M-1B) and likely local bank that does portfolio lending for clients. Find a loan officer who is smarter and harder working than average and can lend nationally. Get to know them and say you are looking for a primary banking relationship as you reposition to commercial. And you should be looking for this.
Talk with them about bundling a few of your mortgages together into a commercial refi either for this project or future (you may need to actually do this).
Go through a few conversations and you can learn a lort about portfolio requirements, lending parameters/constraints and goals of the bank and loan officer. You will find them getting more and more reaponsive
It was quite the eye-opener. Even though I canceled the contract on the unit I was looking to purchase, it was a great exercise in hunting down appropriate funding. I appreciate your suggestion to try to develop a relationship with a local bank.
National lenders usually do not want to deal with smaller properties. Not enough interest made on the loan and small assets typically in micro towns they have no clue how to dispose of the asset if they foreclose.
Commercial mortgage brokers most have a floor of minimum 10,000 fee. Example might charge 1% but if below 1 million then 10k minimum still.