Reverse Mortgage short sale options

Reverse Mortgage short sale options

Investor · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 3 votes

Hi BP community,

I've been working with an heir to a house in Jacksonville FL (32225). I included a picture below for those who are curious.

She inherited it, it has a reverse mortgage that has the following characteristics:

  • outstanding balance: ~$199k
  • appraisal: $175k
  • foreclosure extensions have already passed and the door is open for the company to file the first set of docs with the county when they want.

Being that it's an inherited property/mortgage, it's a non-recourse and therefore she doesn't see the use in marketing the property for sale, spending all that time(, lockbox, etc hassle) when she will not benefit from it in any way. We both think in its present state, the property could fetch approx $180-185k. From what we understand, since $185k is short of the amount outstanding, that would constitute a short sale and all proceeds would go to the bank.

I am wondering: is there an opportunity here?

  • Appraisal is $175k
  • Bank will accept $166,250 (95% of appraised value)
  • Bank allows for 6% sales commissions

Although there might, at best, be a small opportunity and a small profit would not justify the time spent, I would place value on learning through this situation. Therefore a small financial gain + learning is worth any extra effort in calling people who can help, conversing through BP, more due diligence, more legwork etc.

I'm looking for advice from those who have experience with RM short sales on: possible ways forward, people to call to learn more, things to check up on, ... any advice, thoughts, or questions.

Some ideas I had so far:

  • Find an investor who will buy it for approx $170k. Seller wants some $ for her time. I want to recoup some $ for my time and $ invested so far. Very unlikely to happen given thin margins.
  • Find realtors who will represent both sides. This will release $9,975. Pay the agents for their time (thinking $1000 total) DISCLAIMER: I have never bought any property through agents. I always go direct to sellers and therefore I hope you can forgive my ignorance here if this is illegal or against certain rules (all agents might be laughing right now). Property now bought for ~$157k (I will disburse funds to the seller separately from this purchase). 
  • Let the deal die. Tell the owner that they would be best to let it foreclose. She was ok with this from the start. Least exciting option for me because I don't find a way to proceed in these situations and the owner didn't gain much.
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Tom GimerBusiness Member
DMV · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
8y

This is dead in the water. There is zero incentive for an heir to go through all of this with you only to get nothing out of it,

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  • Tom GimerBusiness Member
    DMV · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    This is dead in the water. There is zero incentive for an heir to go through all of this with you only to get nothing out of it,

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  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    8y
    Forget it.
  • Investor · Columbus, GA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    There is no money in the deal. No investor will buy a $175K house for $170K. I would walk away and let the reverse mortgage company deal with the loss. They will sell it in 6 months for $150K, but today the numbers don't work.

  • Real Estate Agent · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2016 · 406 posts · 163 votes
    8y

    Hey Nathan,

    What is the condition of the home? Is it basically move in ready?

    Also are you licensed in any state?

    Feel free to PM me about this. It sounds like there isn't really much room but if she's willing to sell it and the bank is allowing for 6% sales commission you may be able to refer this out and potentially get something out of it.

  • Tom GimerBusiness Member
    DMV · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    Waiting for someone to tell us why a bank would even consider shorting this and paying a commission.

    There is currently no owner to negotiate with. Who is opening probate with a negative equity asset? This will be an unopposed foreclosure followed by a retail sale.

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  • Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 500 votes
    8y

     The incentive for this type of deal would be to a real estate agent to make commission and for the heir to "do the right thing" sort of say for her deceased family member. Mortgage servicers won't give relocation to a tenant on a reverse mortgage loan in most if not all situations. A buyer or something along those lines may be able to pay for her moving costs if she lives in the property with mortgage servicer permission. 

  • Tom GimerBusiness Member
    DMV · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    Do the right thing? The borrower is dead. This is simply part of the process for a reverse mortgage.

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  • Investor · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 3 votes
    8y

    Thanks everyone for considering this one. I thought it was a bad one too. I actually called some of my contacts (remember? learning on this one is more important). One person said that if I can convince the bank to JV with me and essentially pay my holding costs, it may make more sense because ARV after ~$15k of work is $205k.

    Another tool that I was reminded of is the heir's ability to deed in leau which the bank seems to be salivating to have signed. Maybe that's a tool? Do people buy the ownership in these situations (essentially to an underwater property that is non-recourse) and use the deed in leau as a negotiation tool to make these work? Just thinking out loud. Probably impossible.

    One point to this story: no one lives in it. Heir is just needing to complete the estate sales and disburse proceeds. So no moving expenses.

    @Tom Gimer Heir is owner now; probate is complete however now the loan is non-recourse. The heir is willing to deal with 1 buyer (me) or let the bank have it. That's why she doesn't want to put it on MLS. I think you're right though, this one is tough to find something in it.

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