WHY 2022 IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER TO STICK TO YOU NUMBERS

WHY 2022 IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER TO STICK TO YOU NUMBERS

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Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 914 votes

It is more important than ever to underwrite deals conservatively and stick to your numbers in today's market. The federal government printed so much stimulus money that society is paying the price of inflation. With so much money floating around in the marketplace, people are looking for assets to invest in. People buy stocks, crypto, and real estate without properly evaluating the deal. “Investors” are looking to park their money in assets and most times are overpaying.

I am looking at C vintage properties B and C+ neighborhoods in Indianapolis and KC. We can push up the rents to $800-900 after rehabbing the units. It will cost $12k per unit to raise the rents to $800-900. My underwriting shows I can pay $40-60k per unit. I submitted a few offers and every time, the seller laughed at me and said they had offers for $100-120k per unit. Sellers have told me I should use a 5% vacancy and 5% operating expenses ratio (this is not a typo) to make deals work. Other investors have suggested using unrealistic rent growths or rent projections for future years to make the numbers work. I’m here to tell you not to do it. Stick to the rules of conservatism. Being conservative means using data that is probable. Remember that real estate is cyclical, and there will be a day when the market will punish those that disobeyed the fundamentals of investing.

Even I doubted myself. After being rejected deal after deal, I questioned whether I was too conservative in my underwriting. I stopped doubting myself after I got off the phone with several more experienced investors, and even they said my underwriting was not the problem and they don’t know how other sponsors are making the numbers work. My advice is to trust the process and not let society pressure you into a bad deal. Remember these two mottos:

  • “Men lie, women lie, accurate numbers don’t”
  • “Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful”
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Dallas, TX · Member since 2017 · 43 posts · 19 votes
4y

@Jason Malabute Thanks for the encouragement! If you don't mind sharing, what ARE your numbers? I've had so much back and forth on this, my head is spinning.

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  • Arlington, TX · Member since 2022 · 15 posts · 5 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:

    It is more important than ever to underwrite deals conservatively and stick to your numbers in today's market. The federal government printed so much stimulus money that society is paying the price of inflation. With so much money floating around in the marketplace, people are looking for assets to invest in. People buy stocks, crypto, and real estate without properly evaluating the deal. “Investors” are looking to park their money in assets and most times are overpaying.

    I am looking at C vintage properties B and C+ neighborhoods in Indianapolis and KC. We can push up the rents to $800-900 after rehabbing the units. It will cost $12k per unit to raise the rents to $800-900. My underwriting shows I can pay $40-60k per unit. I submitted a few offers and every time, the seller laughed at me and said they had offers for $100-120k per unit. Sellers have told me I should use a 5% vacancy and 5% operating expenses ratio (this is not a typo) to make deals work. Other investors have suggested using unrealistic rent growths or rent projections for future years to make the numbers work. I’m here to tell you not to do it. Stick to the rules of conservatism. Being conservative means using data that is probable. Remember that real estate is cyclical, and there will be a day when the market will punish those that disobeyed the fundamentals of investing.

    Even I doubted myself. After being rejected deal after deal, I questioned whether I was too conservative in my underwriting. I stopped doubting myself after I got off the phone with several more experienced investors, and even they said my underwriting was not the problem and they don’t know how other sponsors are making the numbers work. My advice is to trust the process and not let society pressure you into a bad deal. Remember these two mottos:

    • “Men lie, women lie, accurate numbers don’t”
    • “Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful”
    Thanks so much for posting this!!! It's great encouragement for those of us who are just starting out and still are a bit unsure. I will definitely stick to my guns and keep the second quote especially close at hand!!!
  • Specialist · Member since 2021 · 322 posts · 273 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:

    It is more important than ever to underwrite deals conservatively and stick to your numbers in today's market. The federal government printed so much stimulus money that society is paying the price of inflation. With so much money floating around in the marketplace, people are looking for assets to invest in. People buy stocks, crypto, and real estate without properly evaluating the deal. “Investors” are looking to park their money in assets and most times are overpaying.

    I am looking at C vintage properties B and C+ neighborhoods in Indianapolis and KC. We can push up the rents to $800-900 after rehabbing the units. It will cost $12k per unit to raise the rents to $800-900. My underwriting shows I can pay $40-60k per unit. I submitted a few offers and every time, the seller laughed at me and said they had offers for $100-120k per unit. Sellers have told me I should use a 5% vacancy and 5% operating expenses ratio (this is not a typo) to make deals work. Other investors have suggested using unrealistic rent growths or rent projections for future years to make the numbers work. I’m here to tell you not to do it. Stick to the rules of conservatism. Being conservative means using data that is probable. Remember that real estate is cyclical, and there will be a day when the market will punish those that disobeyed the fundamentals of investing.

    Even I doubted myself. After being rejected deal after deal, I questioned whether I was too conservative in my underwriting. I stopped doubting myself after I got off the phone with several more experienced investors, and even they said my underwriting was not the problem and they don’t know how other sponsors are making the numbers work. My advice is to trust the process and not let society pressure you into a bad deal. Remember these two mottos:

    • “Men lie, women lie, accurate numbers don’t”
    • “Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful”

     Hey Jason, we are a multifamily syndicator in the midwest and the Indianapolis market has been great for us. We too stick to our numbers and as long as you do not betray your standards and trust the numbers we find they do not lie ;)

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2017 · 43 posts · 19 votes
    4y

    @Jason Malabute Thanks for the encouragement! If you don't mind sharing, what ARE your numbers? I've had so much back and forth on this, my head is spinning.

  • Investor · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2008 · 61 posts · 12 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:

    It is more important than ever to underwrite deals conservatively and stick to your numbers in today's market. The federal government printed so much stimulus money that society is paying the price of inflation. With so much money floating around in the marketplace, people are looking for assets to invest in. People buy stocks, crypto, and real estate without properly evaluating the deal. “Investors” are looking to park their money in assets and most times are overpaying.

    I am looking at C vintage properties B and C+ neighborhoods in Indianapolis and KC. We can push up the rents to $800-900 after rehabbing the units. It will cost $12k per unit to raise the rents to $800-900. My underwriting shows I can pay $40-60k per unit. I submitted a few offers and every time, the seller laughed at me and said they had offers for $100-120k per unit. Sellers have told me I should use a 5% vacancy and 5% operating expenses ratio (this is not a typo) to make deals work. Other investors have suggested using unrealistic rent growths or rent projections for future years to make the numbers work. I’m here to tell you not to do it. Stick to the rules of conservatism. Being conservative means using data that is probable. Remember that real estate is cyclical, and there will be a day when the market will punish those that disobeyed the fundamentals of investing.

    Even I doubted myself. After being rejected deal after deal, I questioned whether I was too conservative in my underwriting. I stopped doubting myself after I got off the phone with several more experienced investors, and even they said my underwriting was not the problem and they don’t know how other sponsors are making the numbers work. My advice is to trust the process and not let society pressure you into a bad deal. Remember these two mottos:

    • “Men lie, women lie, accurate numbers don’t”
    • “Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful”
    Awesome post Jason. Having similar experience in a few markets I am looking at as well. i was close to making an offer on a property last week. Tried few different ways to even come up with an offer where it cashflows But unless they reduce price by 30 k to 40 k per unit didnt see any cashflow on that deal. Mostly money out of my pocket. 🙂
    Have seen few crazy boom / bust cycles in a few markets. Hence decided to keep looking.. 




  • Investor · Detroit, MI · Member since 2014 · 97 posts · 40 votes
    4y

    Great advice Jason! Conservative underwriting is the key to building a long term and stable real estate portfolio.

  • Investor · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2019 · 68 posts · 66 votes
    4y

    Thank you for sharing Jason. What expenses are you seeing that are increasing the most? 

  • Henry R.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Saratoga County, NY · Member since 2013 · 178 posts · 73 votes
    4y

    Thanks Jason,

    We have been sticking to our numbers as well. HGTV while cool to watch, guru camps ( every year in our area) and the current RE status has been making it tough to get deals that make the numbers work. It's been said here on BP, " No deal is better that a bad deal"

  • Member since 2022 · 25 posts · 14 votes
    4y

    This post came at a great time for me. I’ve had trouble in this area as well but your words gave me the boost I needed! Thank you for sharing!

  • Investor · AZ · Member since 2022 · 5 posts · 3 votes
    4y

    Love it Jason! Great advice. This is very reassuring for a new investor and great reminder to not get emotional especially with how crazy the market has been.

    Most importantly, do not do FOMO investing which is what has been happening right now in this current market.

  • Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 914 votes
    4y
    Quote from @James Pegues:
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:

    It is more important than ever to underwrite deals conservatively and stick to your numbers in today's market. The federal government printed so much stimulus money that society is paying the price of inflation. With so much money floating around in the marketplace, people are looking for assets to invest in. People buy stocks, crypto, and real estate without properly evaluating the deal. “Investors” are looking to park their money in assets and most times are overpaying.

    I am looking at C vintage properties B and C+ neighborhoods in Indianapolis and KC. We can push up the rents to $800-900 after rehabbing the units. It will cost $12k per unit to raise the rents to $800-900. My underwriting shows I can pay $40-60k per unit. I submitted a few offers and every time, the seller laughed at me and said they had offers for $100-120k per unit. Sellers have told me I should use a 5% vacancy and 5% operating expenses ratio (this is not a typo) to make deals work. Other investors have suggested using unrealistic rent growths or rent projections for future years to make the numbers work. I’m here to tell you not to do it. Stick to the rules of conservatism. Being conservative means using data that is probable. Remember that real estate is cyclical, and there will be a day when the market will punish those that disobeyed the fundamentals of investing.

    Even I doubted myself. After being rejected deal after deal, I questioned whether I was too conservative in my underwriting. I stopped doubting myself after I got off the phone with several more experienced investors, and even they said my underwriting was not the problem and they don’t know how other sponsors are making the numbers work. My advice is to trust the process and not let society pressure you into a bad deal. Remember these two mottos:

    • “Men lie, women lie, accurate numbers don’t”
    • “Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful”
    Thanks so much for posting this!!! It's great encouragement for those of us who are just starting out and still are a bit unsure. I will definitely stick to my guns and keep the second quote especially close at hand!!!

     Yes don't let people pressure you into a bad deal

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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 914 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Colton Hahn:
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:

    It is more important than ever to underwrite deals conservatively and stick to your numbers in today's market. The federal government printed so much stimulus money that society is paying the price of inflation. With so much money floating around in the marketplace, people are looking for assets to invest in. People buy stocks, crypto, and real estate without properly evaluating the deal. “Investors” are looking to park their money in assets and most times are overpaying.

    I am looking at C vintage properties B and C+ neighborhoods in Indianapolis and KC. We can push up the rents to $800-900 after rehabbing the units. It will cost $12k per unit to raise the rents to $800-900. My underwriting shows I can pay $40-60k per unit. I submitted a few offers and every time, the seller laughed at me and said they had offers for $100-120k per unit. Sellers have told me I should use a 5% vacancy and 5% operating expenses ratio (this is not a typo) to make deals work. Other investors have suggested using unrealistic rent growths or rent projections for future years to make the numbers work. I’m here to tell you not to do it. Stick to the rules of conservatism. Being conservative means using data that is probable. Remember that real estate is cyclical, and there will be a day when the market will punish those that disobeyed the fundamentals of investing.

    Even I doubted myself. After being rejected deal after deal, I questioned whether I was too conservative in my underwriting. I stopped doubting myself after I got off the phone with several more experienced investors, and even they said my underwriting was not the problem and they don’t know how other sponsors are making the numbers work. My advice is to trust the process and not let society pressure you into a bad deal. Remember these two mottos:

    • “Men lie, women lie, accurate numbers don’t”
    • “Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful”

     Hey Jason, we are a multifamily syndicator in the midwest and the Indianapolis market has been great for us. We too stick to our numbers and as long as you do not betray your standards and trust the numbers we find they do not lie ;)


     thank you . Would love to connect since we are both in the indy market

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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 914 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Tonya Weathers:

    @Jason Malabute Thanks for the encouragement! If you don't mind sharing, what ARE your numbers? I've had so much back and forth on this, my head is spinning.


    Haha. I have a lot of metrics I look at(COC, IRR,ARR, and more). I messaged you. Let's jump on a call so I can explain

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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 914 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Anna Sam:
    Quote from @Jason Malabute:

    It is more important than ever to underwrite deals conservatively and stick to your numbers in today's market. The federal government printed so much stimulus money that society is paying the price of inflation. With so much money floating around in the marketplace, people are looking for assets to invest in. People buy stocks, crypto, and real estate without properly evaluating the deal. “Investors” are looking to park their money in assets and most times are overpaying.

    I am looking at C vintage properties B and C+ neighborhoods in Indianapolis and KC. We can push up the rents to $800-900 after rehabbing the units. It will cost $12k per unit to raise the rents to $800-900. My underwriting shows I can pay $40-60k per unit. I submitted a few offers and every time, the seller laughed at me and said they had offers for $100-120k per unit. Sellers have told me I should use a 5% vacancy and 5% operating expenses ratio (this is not a typo) to make deals work. Other investors have suggested using unrealistic rent growths or rent projections for future years to make the numbers work. I’m here to tell you not to do it. Stick to the rules of conservatism. Being conservative means using data that is probable. Remember that real estate is cyclical, and there will be a day when the market will punish those that disobeyed the fundamentals of investing.

    Even I doubted myself. After being rejected deal after deal, I questioned whether I was too conservative in my underwriting. I stopped doubting myself after I got off the phone with several more experienced investors, and even they said my underwriting was not the problem and they don’t know how other sponsors are making the numbers work. My advice is to trust the process and not let society pressure you into a bad deal. Remember these two mottos:

    • “Men lie, women lie, accurate numbers don’t”
    • “Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful”
    Awesome post Jason. Having similar experience in a few markets I am looking at as well. i was close to making an offer on a property last week. Tried few different ways to even come up with an offer where it cashflows But unless they reduce price by 30 k to 40 k per unit didnt see any cashflow on that deal. Mostly money out of my pocket. 🙂
    Have seen few crazy boom / bust cycles in a few markets. Hence decided to keep looking.. 





     I say still make an offer with your numbers! As long as you give them feedback of how you underwrote the deal they will appreciate you 

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  • Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 914 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Tyler Peitzmeier:

    Thank you for sharing Jason. What expenses are you seeing that are increasing the most? 


     insurance and property tax

    Also, dont forget to increase utilities by 3%...those never go down 

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  • Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 914 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Henry R.:

    Thanks Jason,

    We have been sticking to our numbers as well. HGTV while cool to watch, guru camps ( every year in our area) and the current RE status has been making it tough to get deals that make the numbers work. It's been said here on BP, " No deal is better that a bad deal"


     my favorite saying right now is "be in a rush to be patient"

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  • Jason MalabuteBusiness Member
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    Accountant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 914 votes
    4y
    Quote from @McBilly Sy:

    Love it Jason! Great advice. This is very reassuring for a new investor and great reminder to not get emotional especially with how crazy the market has been.

    Most importantly, do not do FOMO investing which is what has been happening right now in this current market.


     yes FOMO is responsible for this crazy real estate market

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