No go on 30 unit in Portland, OR.

No go on 30 unit in Portland, OR.

Orange, CA · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 5 votes

What a ride the last 3 months have been! Been involved in attempting my first deal but we walked away this week as we didn't want to overpay on the building. Despite not closing - I was able to get some great experience and made great contacts up in Portland Oregon. **(If anyone needs a killer PM- we connected with a great company who really helped us out during due diligence-message me for their info)** Just thought I'd post about my experience.

My uncle has been involved in REI for a long time & I told him I wanted to help on the next deal he cam across. Back in November, he showed me this 30 unit complex he was interest in just outside downtown Portland. It was in a decent area with super close access to public transit to access downtown and surrounding areas, rents were under market vs. all the nearby comps. Of course the broker's pro-forma will always paint a rosy picture so I ran the numbers & preliminarily it seemed like it could be a good possibility- built in some healthy reserves and were looking at a 6.5% cash ROI yr. 1. It was listed a bit high but were able to get it under contract in December for $200K under list price. We reached out to a pm to help us do some preliminary work before we flew up for our walk-through, he was really great in getting us up to speed on the market & showing us improvements he had done on other properties to increase rents. We had seen an older appraisal before heading up there & were aware that there was some deferred maintenance needs.

We were finally able to fly up around christmas and do our walk through- and man was that an experience.  Based on our previous information we gathered from discovery & previous appraisals- we knew the building needed work, but after walking through the all the units, deferred maintenance was an understatement!! Tons of life/safety issues & too many interior/exterior issues to list. I'm surprised owners let their properties get like this- its not only bad for tenants but a big risk on the owners side... Our capex estimates increased substantially based on what we'd need to do to pass code but also to raise rents (somewhere to the tune of $500K-$800K). Thus we reduced our asking price & found out recently the owners wont budge. 

C'est la vie ~ Yeah its a bummer it didn't close, but learning firsthand to walk away is a good lesson. I loved being able to participate & get my feet wet in RE and am looking forward to finding better deals out there.

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Anthony CharaPro Member
Investor · Centennial, CO · Member since 2012 · 327 posts · 232 votes
10y

Sorry to hear that Nick. Remember, even if the Seller won't budge now, it doesn't mean that they won't budge in the future. So always let them know you're still interested if something changes down the road.

Lastly, one thing you might ask the Seller if you haven't already, is if the Seller would carry-back a note around the same amount or more than the money you think you need for CapEx. This may work in the long run because it gets the Seller their asking price and gives you the extra money you need to do the work, but you don't have to pay the Seller for years to come. This strategy only works if you can prove to yourself that the property will be worth substantially more than the purchase price in the future once the work is done and you increase rents. That way, even though it may appear that you're over-paying now, you pay the Seller the balance with dollars that are worth less than today at some point well into the future.

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  • Portland, OR · Member since 2012 · 66 posts · 30 votes
    10y

    Atleast there was that learning experience! Awesome attempt though Nick, I'm here in Portland and it can be a nasty or beautiful place. A good PM can share a lot of local info, there are some good ones out here! We just started our single family PM company and look forward to helping others. 

  • Anthony CharaPro Member
    Investor · Centennial, CO · Member since 2012 · 327 posts · 232 votes
    10y

    Sorry to hear that Nick. Remember, even if the Seller won't budge now, it doesn't mean that they won't budge in the future. So always let them know you're still interested if something changes down the road.

    Lastly, one thing you might ask the Seller if you haven't already, is if the Seller would carry-back a note around the same amount or more than the money you think you need for CapEx. This may work in the long run because it gets the Seller their asking price and gives you the extra money you need to do the work, but you don't have to pay the Seller for years to come. This strategy only works if you can prove to yourself that the property will be worth substantially more than the purchase price in the future once the work is done and you increase rents. That way, even though it may appear that you're over-paying now, you pay the Seller the balance with dollars that are worth less than today at some point well into the future.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @Nick Alvarez@Anthony Chara  market is over heated here on Multi.. especially close in.

    most trade at 4.5 to 5 caps so a 6.5 cap would be somewhat adjusted for the deferred maintenance..   top rental markets are like this.

  • Orange, CA · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 5 votes
    10y

    @Richard Warner solid PM is a definite must! Best of luck building up your business!

  • Orange, CA · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 5 votes
    10y

    @Anthony Chara I love creative financing solutions- I work in commercial finance and we do out of the box deals all the time. However, in this case- just doesn't make sense for us to pay what they are asking. Who knows, maybe they will get someone to pay it- they can wait it out as the market is hot. 

    @Jay Hinrichs yeah- it was on the high side. Demand is high! 

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2016 · 213 posts · 60 votes
    10y

    @Nick Alvarezis it back on the market? I can give a second look at it if you want, I have my own crew and system that can go in and out apt cost effectively we manage 600+ units all over the city so i can give you good idea of rent comps. 

  • Buy & Hold Owner · Redlands, CA · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    Good choice:  No BAD deal get's better! 

    Regardless of the time/effort and even cash expended to-date, you made an executive level decision to cut your losses and shop elsewhere.  One Merit Badge for your team!

  • Gino BarbaroPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · St Augustine, FL · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    @Nick Alvarez

    Hi nick

    Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make

    I think you make your money when you buy right.  If you overpay your cashflow will be in jeopardy and you will not be able to refi to pull out money

    Always buy on actual numbers

    You learned more on one deal than most investors learn in 5 years

    You will land a deal soon

    Stay motivated and on the lookout

    Gino

  • Orange, CA · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 5 votes
    10y

    @Jeff B.: Exactly! always more deals to consider- important to stay level-headed and buy on the real numbers.

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