Multi-family investment: Convert electric->gas heating solutions

Multi-family investment: Convert electric->gas heating solutions

Toronto/New york, Ontario/New york · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 0 votes

We are trying to purchase an apartment building right now but the problem is the hydro costs. The property was built in the 60's in 3 phases and according to the owner there is a possibility to change the electric heating system to gas for an estimated cost of $300,000.  Does anyone have any solutions to convert from electric to gas in a concrete building? Any thoughts on the purchase as well would be appreciated.

Operating

expenses/year

Income / year

Total

Rental income

$655,249

$655,249

Laudry income

$36,000

$36,000

Parking income

$18,000

$18,000

Effective income

$709,249

$709,249

Property tax

$92,523

Property Insurance

$14,565

Water/sewer

$30,000

Gas

$20,000

Advertisment

$1,100

Office

$5,100

Professional fees

$2,713

Property managment fee

$18,000

Waste management

City

Hydro

$170,000

Maintenance and repairs

$36,968

Snow removal

$4,000

Total

394,969

$394,969

Net operating income

$314,280

Cap rate

 about a 6% cap

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  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y

    @Sunny Malhotra

    $300K sounds exorbitantly hight for conversion of a heating system, even if it includes running ductwork or hydronic lines to every unit.

    Can you tell us a little more about the existing heating system?

    Is a centralized boiler (hydronic heat) or furnace (force air heat)? 

    .... or, does each unit have its own electric resistance heat (either via convectional baseboards, hydronic baseboards or forced air)?

    - how is domestic hot water provided?

  • Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Sunny Malhotra,

    Is the intention for each unit to pay for its own heat, or for the rent to include heat?

    There's solutions both ways. Just wondering what the thinking is.

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    I converted a building recently to gas from electric.  That saves tenants (or landlords) a lot of money.  It will also create value for your building when you want to sell it one day.  The electric buildings are a turn-off.  

    I don't have much information about your buildings, but if you can run a gas line to each unit, then you can build a furnace room and ductwork through each unit.

  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y

    @Brian Ploszay

    The attractiveness of natural gas over electricity is location dependant - there are places where it is not significantly cheaper.

    Regardless of the fuel source for you heat, your best bang-for-efficiency-buck comes from air sealing and insulating the building envelope.

  • Toronto/New york, Ontario/New york · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    @Roy N. @David Dachtera @Brian Ploszay Hey guys, there is one electric heating meter. There is a gas line that will supply the water heater. It is a tankless system that heats the water and sends it to the rooms. The hot water tank boilers were removed.

    Your thoughts?

  • Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Sunny Malhotra,

    Wow! THAT's a throw-back! Time was (before my day!) when each house had two electric meters: one for water heating and another for general use.

    So, they're already on common meter. That leaves a lot of options open.

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