Monthly rent is 3% of purchase price

Monthly rent is 3% of purchase price

Rental Property Investor · NJ/PA · Member since 2016 · 555 posts · 149 votes

Yes, C class multifamily

good for value add and cashflow?

almost no appreciation.      

At current cycle, maybe safe investment, right?

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Rental Property Investor · Ankeny, IA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
7y

The last property I saw that had those numbers was next to a crack house, 2 of 4 units were empty, and 1 unit was under eviction. It's a 0% rents to purchase price if you can't actually collect the rent. 

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  • Investor · Kingsport, TN · Member since 2016 · 412 posts · 254 votes
    7y

    @David Smith I would really look at it. There's a reason its 3%. Whats bad? the area or the building?

  • Schaumburg, IL · Member since 2017 · 22 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    Or high expenses? I've seen properties with common boilers providing heat and other utilities to all units and the expenses are huge. The comparison needs to be on the NOI.

  • Rental Property Investor · Ankeny, IA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    The last property I saw that had those numbers was next to a crack house, 2 of 4 units were empty, and 1 unit was under eviction. It's a 0% rents to purchase price if you can't actually collect the rent. 

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ/PA · Member since 2016 · 555 posts · 149 votes
    7y

    building/area not bad or good..  just average poor town.     rent level $450-850   ; not much crime.  No rent control; no gov inspection. 

      The only bad thing is no appreciation over years. 

    expenses ( including management fee) is around 1/3 or less of gross rent -- which is OK. 

    Anyone owning such milti ?  Insight?   Need to find a way to add value to increase value!!

  • Bryan MitchellPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Columbus, GA · Member since 2016 · 634 posts · 337 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Glen Doering:

    Or high expenses? I've seen properties with common boilers providing heat and other utilities to all units and the expenses are huge. The comparison needs to be on the NOI.

     Glen is right. Often times it appears to be 2-3% but fixed expenses are not factored in such as water, trash, sewer, etc. Also, looking over vacancies and delinquencies will help you vet the 3% property.

  • Investor · Stratford, CT · Member since 2015 · 258 posts · 230 votes
    7y

    @David Smith - You have described a property with a 24 CAP. I've never seen one. A small MF with Op Ex 1/3 of rents including management? Normally its about 1/2. If it is indeed such a great cash flower, why do you want to try to add value in a poor town with little/no appreciation? I think the posters above all make good points.

  • Rental Property Investor · Cleveland, MN · Member since 2017 · 518 posts · 354 votes
    7y

    Are the property taxes high? Lots of turnover? Maybe just a good deal??

    My 8-plex brings in 2.2% of purchase price but I had to raise rents. They had just taken the building off of Section 8 and nobody was paying the rent difference, so I got a sweet deal on it. He just wanted to get rid of it, instead of trying to get the tenants to pay the rent. The value almost doubled in my first year because I got the rents up to market and completed some deferred maintenance. I got lucky!

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Ethan Smith how many units?

    With such low rents, your expenses end up being a huge percentage of income.

  • Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2016 · 530 posts · 398 votes
    7y

    @Ethan Smith how many units is this property?

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ/PA · Member since 2016 · 555 posts · 149 votes
    7y

    20-30 units. 

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 552 posts · 181 votes
    7y

    Sounds like a bad property C- area

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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    @David Smith as you can see from the many comments there really is no answer. Price or price to rent ratio is only 1 factor in the overall value as an investment. 

    Is this genuinely a great price? Or has the market  perceived this as high risk property and hence drive the price down? How doe this compare to other rentals in the area both in price and condition?

  • Accountant · Battle Ground, WA · Member since 2018 · 91 posts · 48 votes
    7y

    @Ethan Smith

    There’s been a lot of good answers on this thread. It Sounds like a unicorn but depends on how you found it, if it was listed I would be very skeptical. If this is someone you sought out or a lead from your network it’s absolutely possible people sell for a wide variety of reasons. I would really want to know why they are selling the place. Check local police reports/tax history etc on the property. Are you familiar with the area? Have a solid plan to manage it? Are rents actually being collected?

  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    I bought a C property duplex (I think it's more of a B- as it's on the edge of the nicer part of town) that doesn't net me 3% but it's close (2.75%). I own larger properties but none are that high monthly rent VS purchase price. 

    I bought it from a guy who lived out of state and his PM was worthless. I put about 3K into the property (almost 2K in electrical upgrades and the rest was materials and handyman cost - I did a lot of work myself but the handyman did the work I would have botched). 

    It's definitely possible to get 3% on a property that isn't in a warzone, especially with a large MF property (just not in most markets). You'll have to do your homework on this one to make certain it's not a money pit.  

  • Specialist · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2015 · 909 posts · 297 votes
    7y

    do you digging better due diligence

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