15-unit in Bad Area, Partner left, 100% Vacant (Dumb Sh^*)

15-unit in Bad Area, Partner left, 100% Vacant (Dumb Sh^*)

Developer · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes

A contact of mine asked me today at lunch time to check a building out and since it's near my office, I decided to drop by. 

The building is 15-units, 100% vacant and the owner drove all the way from Missouri and this is the first time he saw the property. His partner and everyone, including the Property Manager, went "dark" on him. 

We went inside and he told me later that the building's condition is worse than he expected.

He overpaid for the building by a lot, specially given the area where he bought it. He got a hard money loan on it that's costing him a lot of money every month.

I told him flat out that there's no way I was buying his building but I know 2 people who can or has the network of buyers. 

I treated him to lunch and encouraged him that this is just a detour. If he does not quit and goes through it, he will be a smarter real estate investor and he too will become successful.

His situation is a real estate NIGHTMARE scenario and provides valuable lessons on what NOT to do when investing in multi family. Here they are:

1. Don't buy a building you have not personally seen or inspected. A week ago, I inspected a 91 unit building in Mariemont. Me and my partners went through all the units as part of our due diligence. I have been informed of a hotel in New Jersey and I trust the guy who told me about it and shown me the numbers, but I am flying out there to see it for myself.

2. Trust but verify. He trusted his partner. He trusted his property manager. But never took the time to verify things for himself.I trust my partner Nate but I always inspect a building I am about to buy and will visit from time to time to see what's going on even after I bought it. Three weeks ago, I visited my 145-room hotel in Columbus and I plan to visit every 2-3 weeks specially during the PIP (Property Improvement Plan).

3. Know your Market before you buy. He really does not know Cincinnati, again because he trusted his partner. His partner really can't know it as well because he is not from here. When I buy buildings, I always walk the area - where are the developments around it, what's the real value of the comps, how do they look like, what are the issues in the location, what are the potential problems, etc.

4. Hands-on Management is the Key to Success in Real Estate. Being present, on the ground (specially during the acquisition phase) and hands-on is the way to properly invest in real estate. I've never met a truly successful real estate investor who manages from behind the desk. Or, if you can't be local, you need a really good property manager who is local, ahnds-on and knows the area. But even then, trust but verify everything he/she tells you.

5. Honestly Assess Your Capabilities: If you're a Newbie, Do NOT Buy Dumb Sh*^. You might be a successful wholesaler, or rehabber or maybe even a successful landlord of single family homes. But success in single family, or success in rehabbing does not necessarily translate to success in multi family. Heavy repositioning deals is not for the newbie. Buying in D and F areas is not for the newbie. Don't be too greedy for big money -  if you don't have the experience and skills to pull it off, don't do it. Remember that a good deal for one investor could be a terrible deal for another.

So what about other multi family investors here on BP: what have you learned from other "real estate nightmare properties"?

Spill the beans here so that newbie investors specially won't suffer like this guy did.

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Specialist · Tampa, FL · Member since 2012 · 933 posts · 492 votes
7y

@Michael Ealy those are some pretty good lessons provided there. Not sure how someone just lends their trust with out doing their own due diligence on the asset worth hundreds of thousands or even worse millions. To reposition in a D or F area you def. need the experience, skills and the right team to pull it off

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  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    The kind of mistake this guy made suggests he should not be in this business.  It seemed reckless.

    I fear what I don't know.  So when encountering a new type of investment, I would double the amount of due diligence and research.  For out of area properties, I would develop a deep list of vendors, because I wouldn't want to get stuck.

    At this point, he should get some opinions of value from brokers.  Secure the building.  And exit the investment.

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    Rental Property Investor · Eastvale, CA · Member since 2017 · 138 posts · 459 votes
    7y

    @Michael Ealy another super insightful post! Would you say this holds true for SFRs also? I’m investing out of state, and am relying on my realtor, PM, and contractor. It seems a bit unreasonable to fly out every time I buy a single house, so how would you best “trust but verify” in this scenario?

  • Developer · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Tony Robinson:

    @Michael Ealy another super insightful post! Would you say this holds true for SFRs also? I’m investing out of state, and am relying on my realtor, PM, and contractor. It seems a bit unreasonable to fly out every time I buy a single house, so how would you best “trust but verify” in this scenario?

     You can use third party vendors to verify.

    For example, get the property inspected by a professional inspector who YOU chose and hired (not by your realtor or PM).

    Verify the value of the property by having it appraised by an appraiser, who YOU chose and hired.

    Lastly, verify the rent by asking for another leasing agent's opinion - not your PM.

    Personally, I would still personally inspect each property I buy and yes, it will cost, say $1,000 in rountrip travel + hotel expenses but if that $1,000 investment saved me from making a $10,000 or a $50,000 mistake, then it's worth it, isn't it?

  • Developer · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Tony Robinson:

    @Michael Ealy I know you deal exclusively in large commercial real estate, but do you feel this holds true for when you're investing in SFR out of state? Would you suggest an out of state SFR investor fly to each prospective property?

     Already answered a question related to this but if you're going to fly out and inspect, of course only do this on the properties you have under contract not every prospective property. That is - you can get the numbers online and do your preliminary due diligence, make the offers and only when the offer gets accepted, that's when you fly out and get your third party professionals (contractors, appraiser, leasing agent, professional property inspector) inspect the property with you.

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