My New Construction Journal From Start To Finish

My New Construction Journal From Start To Finish

Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 260 posts · 145 votes

Hello fellow investors!  I began a post a few months ago in regards to a new construction project I will be starting soon and after all the great input I thought it would be nice to start a journal in order to help new investors who plan to start new construction projects for their first time.  Here's the down low in a nut shell.

I am building two SFH in Northern Liberties, this is a very sought out neighborhood in the city of Philadelphia. Minutes away from downtown and all major highways. Each home will be as follows: I bought the lots for 720k in total

1. On 2400sqft lots

2. 5800 sqft houses

3, 4 stories , garage parking, roof deck, elevator, and skyline views

Attached are the 3d Renderings of what I plan to build

Last week a home 4500 sqft just sold for 2.1 million dollars in one day. So thats the market as of now and I am told that pre-selling these within a month of breaking ground is very realistic and that I could get as much as 2.3 million per house. We shall see!

Here's how I started. As I am new to the new construction game I hired a consultant to guide me on my journey .  I interviewed 3 builders and 5 luxury real estate agents and their team.  I was told to not use my usually agent as when doing luxury at this level, you want someone who specialized in selling high priced homes.  Someone who has the clientele , know how, and team to get it done.

So I interviewed builders and got budgets from all three. One builder said he could do it for 180 sqft another quoted me at 225 a sqft.  When I compared their budgets I began to feel a bit worried since thats a large discrepancy between the two.  During my interviewing process, I visited projects these builders have done and are doing to get a feel and look at the quality of work they produce.  Both builders have experience in luxury home and the one I am going with just finished a 16 unit project in the heart of covid, which is one of the main reasons I chose him. He will know supply issues and how to circumvent them (ordering wolf appliances the day I break ground because he knows they are a year out, Anderson windows, same deal, etc etc). But back to the budget discrepancy .  The builder I chose has it at 1 million per house and the other is closer to 1.2....That said I am going to build in a contingency and put money aside just incase.

I am using hard money which makes this very risky, but I sold 3 of my 9 duplex's so that I could have a cash reserve of 400k to make sure I do not run into money issues.  I also have a buyer lines up, who is willing to buy the land with permitted plans for 1.2 million which would give me a profit of 500k without doing anything. I lined up buyers as another contingency/ exit plan, incase the lending doesn't work out, or some unforeseen issue , where I need to unload the lots.  So as backup I have some built in exit strategies.

Onto the steps I have had to take :

1. I had to first subdivide the lot from 4 1200 sqft lots into 2 2400 sqft lots

2. I hired an architect to build out the plans, submit zoning permits, do a structural survey of the land, and ultimate after getting zoning approved we just submitted the building plans.  This is a process in itself.  You want to make sure your architect knows the zoning laws in the area you are building, this is very important because, if my architects did not have the knowledge, I could have run into problems where zoning would not approve and I would need to wait months just to get variances IF I could even get them. So make sure your architect knows their zoning!  As a matter of fact, my guys knew their zoning but they assumed I knew it too...The original plan was to build 4 homes on 4 1200 sqft lots, and the architect went along with this (assuming I knew I would need a variance since it did not meet the 1400sqft per lot requirement) BUT I DID NOT KNOW....this set me back another month because I had to pivot.  It turns out it worked out for the better because with my original plan, I would not be able to get garages (which is a huge selling point in the city) After finding all this out, I had it subdivided for a second time into two 2400 sqft lots and looked up zoning laws where I saw that if I put a 5ft side yard on each side, it will be considered a detached home and not a row, which would allow for built in garage by right.  This pivot ended up working out because instead of having to wait another 6-8 months for a variance to sell 4 homes at 800k each, I am now able to build two larger homes for just about the same price but am able to sell each for 2.2 to 2.5 million , so I went from a gross profit of 3.2 million to a gross profit of around 4.4 million with a lower building cost. 4 homes would have been approx 650k each to build for a total of 2.6 million where as two larger homes cost 1 million each to build, maybe 1.2 million, either way it ends up being less to build but almost close to the same amount of profit.

a. the architect gave me schematics of the build

b. we went over them in stages and made tweaks here and there until I was satisfied with the final schematic

2A) Got general liability insurance and preparing to get builders risk, but not paying for it until the building permit is approved

3. While all the was happening, once I got the preliminary plans I gave them to my builder so he could price it all out. I learned that builders or yourself have to give the plans to a supply house and they run whats called "take offs" on all the line items and give you estimated prices of what everything will cost (Wood for framing, windows, siding, and the list goes on)

4. After this was done my builder had a budget which my hard money lender wanted and I needed so I know how much I will need to get a loan for in order to build these homes.  After careful consideration, since hard money is expensive and risky, I decided to build one house fully and one "under roof" which means exactly how it sounds, build just until the roof is on so outside elements cant get in.  The plan is to pre-sell one then have the lender release the rest of the money needed to finsih the 2nd house

5. Now we are at today. I am waiting for the building permit and in the mean time I am working with my builder to make sure we get the budget as close as we can to the actual cost.

I purchased the land in February, but began the process in November, so its taken 6 months to get to where I am now (submitting for building permits) To be continued.....The permits should be approved in about a month from now and we will break ground.

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Boise, ID · Member since 2018 · 203 posts · 188 votes
3y

@Douglas Gratz I think you need a reality check.  You are over the moon happy because you got a pre-sale.  You've spent at least 12 months on this project and accomplished what seasoned builders would have done in 1-2 weeks.  You haven't even started construction yet, and the pre-sale makes this build much,much more complicated.  Being your first build, you will make mistakes.  On a spec home, you can simply just live with them.  On a pre-sale, the buyers will make you tear out/remodel anything that doesn't meet their expections.  Because you are new and this is a very high end build, you are going to struggle to set proper expectations/understandings with the buyer.  

I struggle to set expectations with buyers despite:

1. Been building houses for 24 years now.

2. Have multiple completed spec homes/model homes for buyers to tour.  Many times the exact floorplan they are puchasing.

3. A 5000 SF idea home/design center where they select every finish going into the home with a professional, full time designer.

4. My homes are 1/4 the complexity of your build.

You don't realize it yet, but the hard work and heartache is just starting for you.  You haven't reached the finish line, you just now arrived at the starting line of a grueling 18 month grind.  If this build is a 50k endurance race through the mountains, you just walked through the parking lot to the signup table.

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  • Member since 2023 · 16 posts · 2 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:

    @Douglas Gratz

    How do I get started in new construction as a beginner 

    No I don’t have any experience in construction.  But I have done 1 fix and flip project and I have sold other properties before @Bruce Woodruff

     Don;t start in new construction....specially not on this level. You will get your butt handed to you. Start small and easy and work your way up. Do you have any hands-on construction experience?

  • Member since 2023 · 16 posts · 2 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:

    @Douglas Gratz

    How do I get started in new construction as a beginner 

    No I don’t have any experience in construction.  But I have done 1 fix and flip project and I have sold other properties before @Bruce Woodruff

     Don;t start in new construction....specially not on this level. You will get your butt handed to you. Start small and easy and work your way up. Do you have any hands-on construction experience?

     @Bruce Woodruff I would like to do a much smaller single family townhouse for starters and than work my way up over the years .  Any advice would be greatly appreciated 

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:

    @Douglas Gratz

    How do I get started in new construction as a beginner 

    No I don’t have any experience in construction.  But I have done 1 fix and flip project and I have sold other properties before @Bruce Woodruff

     Don;t start in new construction....specially not on this level. You will get your butt handed to you. Start small and easy and work your way up. Do you have any hands-on construction experience?

     @Bruce Woodruff I would like to do a much smaller single family townhouse for starters and than work my way up over the years .  Any advice would be greatly appreciated 

    First, place your cursor below the previous text box so your replies look like this... :-)


     Second, doing a flip project is not comparable to building new. Not sure you would want to build new anyway..? Read through this entire thread and see what happened when someone has no building experience....

  • Member since 2020 · 76 posts · 61 votes
    3y

    @Douglas Gratz

    What’s the latest on your project? 

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y

    @Derek Bell and @Philip Jackson

    You guys need to go back and read this thread. It is a tutorial in building new spec homes for newbies and beginners. Get some beer and popcorn and start at the beginning.

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 260 posts · 145 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Derek Bell:

    @Douglas Gratz

    What’s the latest on your project? 


     Unfortunately I had to sell, with banks getting strict with loans and uncertainty of what’s going to happen in the economy, absolutely no one would lend. Pre-sold didn’t matter one bit. I would have taken 15% loan, but there was nothing. Talked to over 20 lenders (hurt my credit with the hard inquiries) but what you gonna do.

    Did my best, learned a lot, and met some good people that can be of help with other projects , like a no doc lender on multi family homes. Hard pill to swallow, this was my ticket, ya know, but it is what it is

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 260 posts · 145 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Derek Bell and @Philip Jackson

    You guys need to go back and read this thread. It is a tutorial in building new spec homes for newbies and beginners. Get some beer and popcorn and start at the beginning.

     It sure is, love it and @Bruce Woodruff was with it the whole time with constructive criticism that I will say, often took me down a notch and I did not like however he knew what he was talking about so I always took it serious.

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 260 posts · 145 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:

    @Douglas Gratz

    How do I get started in new construction as a beginner 

    No I don’t have any experience in construction.  But I have done 1 fix and flip project and I have sold other properties before @Bruce Woodruff

     Don;t start in new construction....specially not on this level. You will get your butt handed to you. Start small and easy and work your way up. Do you have any hands-on construction experience?

     @Bruce Woodruff I would like to do a much smaller single family townhouse for starters and than work my way up over the years .  Any advice would be greatly appreciated 

    First, place your cursor below the previous text box so your replies look like this... :-)


     Second, doing a flip project is not comparable to building new. Not sure you would want to build new anyway..? Read through this entire thread and see what happened when someone has no building experience....


     It wasn’t because my experience even though that is exactly the reason I could not get a loan …..The investment was right, (bad timing) , I had everything as it should to get ready to put a shovel in. Budget, schedule of value, time line, quotes and deposits ready to go if i was approved. I was ready Bruce, but banks dont like when you never built before, I also think it had alot to do with my felony, because 2 weeks before closing a loan they lowered it 200k per home, “your experience and background” is what they said. If I got the loan , I knew the headaches along the way, I work for a builder, we just finished two custom homes, it was a nightmare.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Douglas Gratz:
    Quote from @Derek Bell:

    @Douglas Gratz

    What’s the latest on your project? 


     Unfortunately I had to sell, with banks getting strict with loans and uncertainty of what’s going to happen in the economy, absolutely no one would lend. Pre-sold didn’t matter one bit. I would have taken 15% loan, but there was nothing. Talked to over 20 lenders (hurt my credit with the hard inquiries) but what you gonna do.

    Did my best, learned a lot, and met some good people that can be of help with other projects , like a no doc lender on multi family homes. Hard pill to swallow, this was my ticket, ya know, but it is what it is


     how did you make out on the sale of the lots  did you recoup?  Make Money ?  experince is critical for getting your vertical loan.. or having a partner with teh experince. 

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Douglas Gratz:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Derek Bell and @Philip Jackson

    You guys need to go back and read this thread. It is a tutorial in building new spec homes for newbies and beginners. Get some beer and popcorn and start at the beginning.

     It sure is, love it and @Bruce Woodruff was with it the whole time with constructive criticism that I will say, often took me down a notch and I did not like however he knew what he was talking about so I always took it serious.


    But the thing is...you have a good attitude and you're smart (maybe too smart :-)

    You can start over and do this again. The timing killed you as much as anything, you had a good idea.....!

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 260 posts · 145 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Douglas Gratz:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Derek Bell and @Philip Jackson

    You guys need to go back and read this thread. It is a tutorial in building new spec homes for newbies and beginners. Get some beer and popcorn and start at the beginning.

     It sure is, love it and @Bruce Woodruff was with it the whole time with constructive criticism that I will say, often took me down a notch and I did not like however he knew what he was talking about so I always took it serious.


    But the thing is...you have a good attitude and you're smart (maybe too smart :-)

    You can start over and do this again. The timing killed you as much as anything, you had a good idea.....!

     @Bruce Woodruff thanks, it was a tough pill to swallow because that deal would was slingshot my business forward.

    Anyway I have a quick question, how do you value a rental if you want to go partners and sell 50% of it? Appraised $240k, mortgage 155k , monthly net cash flow $1000

    How much should it cost someone to buy in?

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 260 posts · 145 votes
    3y

    I took a loss mainly due to holding it to long (interest and soft costs) 100k I was going to sell November 2022, which was in my business plan I’m not gonna get into why I didn’t but it wasn’t my choice. At that point I would not have taken a loss and that’s why I said that date. I actually had a partner with an Experience. He lives iI actually had a partner with an Experience. He lives in Florida than that you got me the lender where we were two weeks from closing and I’ll assume it’s my background that’s why they did what they did because my partner has plenty of experience and him being in Florida and doing deals in California. They still lend to him so I can only did this one thing.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Douglas Gratz:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Douglas Gratz:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    @Derek Bell and @Philip Jackson

    You guys need to go back and read this thread. It is a tutorial in building new spec homes for newbies and beginners. Get some beer and popcorn and start at the beginning.

     It sure is, love it and @Bruce Woodruff was with it the whole time with constructive criticism that I will say, often took me down a notch and I did not like however he knew what he was talking about so I always took it serious.


    But the thing is...you have a good attitude and you're smart (maybe too smart :-)

    You can start over and do this again. The timing killed you as much as anything, you had a good idea.....!

     @Bruce Woodruff thanks, it was a tough pill to swallow because that deal would was slingshot my business forward.

    Anyway I have a quick question, how do you value a rental if you want to go partners and sell 50% of it? Appraised $240k, mortgage 155k , monthly net cash flow $1000

    How much should it cost someone to buy in?


    Quick shot = 50% of the APR - your costs to fix it up....

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 260 posts · 145 votes
    3y

    so if im paying 12k a year 6k- costs to fix, doesn't add up it would be negative, or is it 50% of the total loan so 155k/2 = 127.5k- costs to rehab?

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 260 posts · 145 votes
    3y

    @Bruce Woodruff thanks. It actually turning out to be little more complicated, this specific House is in my name, not my business, transferring to the new LLC with my partner triggers due at sale, so cant do that...

    We are going to use a similar duplex under my llc, however the LLC has 2 properties under it so I have to create "shares" and give him the amount that is equal to his share in the duplex. How is this calculated?

    1 SFH appraised $150,000 Mortgage $115,000, payment $674.32,

    1 Duplex. appraised  240,000, mortgage $155,000, payment 1100.44

    Equity in duplex = $85,000. he is contributing $35,000. We really want his ownership to only be in the duplex, maybe I can make an addendum or Clause but, one way or the other we need to distribute shares, how to I figure what 1 share is worth? Or better yet, because I cant find this anywhere..... With the numbers above, how much of that duplex should be his with the 35,000/85000 = 41.17% of that duplex? and with hat % can can we figure out cost per share?

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Douglas Gratz:

    @Bruce Woodruff thanks. It actually turning out to be little more complicated, this specific House is in my name, not my business, transferring to the new LLC with my partner triggers due at sale, so cant do that...

    We are going to use a similar duplex under my llc, however the LLC has 2 properties under it so I have to create "shares" and give him the amount that is equal to his share in the duplex. How is this calculated?

    1 SFH appraised $150,000 Mortgage $115,000, payment $674.32,

    1 Duplex. appraised  240,000, mortgage $155,000, payment 1100.44

    Equity in duplex = $85,000. he is contributing $35,000. We really want his ownership to only be in the duplex, maybe I can make an addendum or Clause but, one way or the other we need to distribute shares, how to I figure what 1 share is worth? Or better yet, because I cant find this anywhere..... With the numbers above, how much of that duplex should be his with the 35,000/85000 = 41.17% of that duplex? and with hat % can can we figure out cost per share?


    First, you'll have to create a separate LLC for the duplex. And yes, the way I look at it, you're putting in $85k (the equity in the duplex) and he is contributing $35k to the deal.

    And I don't think you want to know what percentage his contribution is of yours, you want what his % is to the total new equity of $140k, or 25%. So create 100 shares and give him 25 of them.

    See how others would do it...

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Douglas Gratz:

    I took a loss mainly due to holding it to long (interest and soft costs) 100k I was going to sell November 2022, which was in my business plan I’m not gonna get into why I didn’t but it wasn’t my choice. At that point I would not have taken a loss and that’s why I said that date. I actually had a partner with an Experience. He lives iI actually had a partner with an Experience. He lives in Florida than that you got me the lender where we were two weeks from closing and I’ll assume it’s my background that’s why they did what they did because my partner has plenty of experience and him being in Florida and doing deals in California. They still lend to him so I can only did this one thing.


    well sorry to hear that..  it happens to us all over time.  keep at it. 
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