Large Land Development in Suburban Area

Large Land Development in Suburban Area

Real Estate Agent · Nashville, TN · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 1 vote

Hey BP!

I recently locked down a large parcel of land in a suburban area I'm not used to working in. I'm used to doing small 2-4 unit developments, but this is 6-7X that amount and in an area I've never done a project in.  

The Question

How would you move forward on this deal? Would you try and partner with a developer on the project? Is so, would you go ahead and get a concept plan to pitch to the partner or just turn it over to them to figure out? Would you just wholesale it? Again, if so, would you go ahead and get a concept plan to pitch to the partner or just turn it over to them to figure out?

The Land

The parcel is 11.5 acres, however, there is a flood plain that runs through it roughly leaving about 7.5-8 full acres of developable land. The zoning allows for a minimum lot size of 10,000sf. I'm currently working on getting an updated survey to verify the exact amount of land that will be developable. 

The City

I spoke with the city about how their approval process works and, in short, found out they're out of their minds and seem to be trying to make developers lives harder. I was told I needed to submit a conceptual site plan which would take about 1 month to approve through the city. If the city approves the plan you have 2 DAYS to submit your full construction documents. This means that while I'm waiting for approval on a concept plan, I have to spend $25,000+ on construction documents that may end up being irrelevant if the city decides to disapprove my original concept plan. 

The Plan

Originally, my plan was to try and develop the land myself and sell lots to individual developers. However, I've recently become aware that the cost of doing that would far exceed anything I alone could maintain. My second thought was to simply hire an engineer to draw up a concept plan that I could show to a more seasoned developer who may want to do the project themselves. In this case, I would do a funded double closing adding my fee to the price and would likely have submitted the concept plan to the city on their behalf prior to closing. 

The Cost

The quote from the engineer came back over $30,000 for:

1. Concept Plan

1A. Traffic Shed Analysis (If necessary)

2. Preliminary Plat

3. Construction Documents for Entitlement

3A. Stormwater Management – Water Quality & Quantity Detention, etc.

3B. Permitting Assitance, SWPPP, & ARAP Application/Plans

4. Project Coordination and Meetings (Hourly-Not to Exceed)

I have a good due diligence period, but due to engineers/surveyors being backed up in my area I need to get moving. 

Thank you in advance!

-RL

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  • Engineer · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2016 · 13 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    Sounds liked funds are tight.  You can reduce your total investment if you sell paper lots to a land developer/home builder.  In summary you would do the leg work on the front end to ensure the deal is developable and prove  the property profitable to a developer/home builder.  So step on would be to get a home builder/developer on board to take down your lots.  Step two is to get a concept plan/plat approved by the city.  

    Every city does their concept plan/plat process differently, however I find it strange that a city would require you to have complete construction documents prior to platting.  Typically studies (traffic, drainage, utilities) are required at the planning stage along with a plat/concept plan but not construction documents.

    You may be able to get 14 -16 lots on the deal unless you can reclaim some of the floodplain.  What are these size lots selling for in this area?  What are home builders paying for lots?  Do the numbers work out?  

    Also If you want to stay in the deal and make some more money after you sell paper lots you could stay in the deal to manage the design and construction for a fee.

    Best of luck to you!

    BR

  • Investor · Hugo, MN · Member since 2016 · 208 posts · 68 votes
    10y
    Hi Ronnie Booth we find that if you talk to 3 different people at a jurisdiction office you get 3 different answers. If you've called on the phone, might be worth going to the office a talking with the city engineer directly. Depending on how their office is set up you may have to bring some doughnuts or cookies to get past the gate keeper. It doesn't seem right to me that you'd need full construction docs so early in the process. As far as funding and moving forward I suggest two things: 1. Look to partner with someone that does land development and is familiar with the area. Some of these people will be builders some will just specialize in land development, plats and subdivisions. 2. If you are uncomfortable with a partner look into some crowd funding type structures. Multiple people investing with a passive mindset. As an alternate exit strategy it might be worth talking with some bigger developers in your area that build out large subdivisions, maybe you could sell the land and the concept and make a profit from it that way.
  • Real Estate Agent · Nashville, TN · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    Thank you both very much! I didn't receive the notifications immediately, so I apologize for the delay in response. 

    I went ahead and hired an engineering firm to draw up the concept plan, as you mentioned @Suzanne Griffiths , I think worst case my backup plan would be to just do a funded double close and call it a day. I did verify with two people at the planning department and with the engineer I hired the city does, in fact, require full construction documents only 2 days after the concept plan has been approved. It defies all logic, but in this particular city it's not very surprising as there are many loud voices against development.

    To your point @Ben Raef , I did quite a bit of research in the area and it seems lots that would be similar have sold from $60k-$80k in the area. These, however, are fully developed and ready to go lots. Once I get my concept plan back, I'll get with a developer to go over very crude estimates of what infrastructure will cost to ultimately determine the full feasibility. Depending on where the number lie, I can see it going a few different ways. 

    I truly appreciate your answers! Thank you!

    Ronnie Booth

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