First Spec Home / New Constructions - Pictures & Lessons

First Spec Home / New Constructions - Pictures & Lessons

Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes

We are just about to complete our first spec home - a $650k single family ranch style home with 4 bedrooms and 3.5 baths. I always wanted to build new and despite my almost ten years of remodeling experience there were a lot of things I wished someone told me before and I would like to share. If you have missed the pop-up event two weeks ago I wanted to share a few key lessons and some pictures. 

A spec home is built on "speculation" - there is no buyer until you have a fished product. This comes with a set of pro's and con's. In many way's it is like a flip. For once not having a buyer means that the builder has to fund the entire cost land+build+overhead until the property is sold. On a conventional building the buyer provides funds for most of the construction. On the other hand not having a buyer means the investor calls all the shots. There is no weekly/daily conversation with an anxious client, who wants to change things and have everything already done yesterday. Managing a client can be a huge task over a long period of time.

As far as net net net profit on a spec (after selling cost) is probably between 8% and 15% in taxable income. From that point of view it does not even come close to buy&hold. While we have an accepted offer and are wrapping up final punch list items at this time, I will still need another month before all the invoices have cleared through book keeping and I will know what our actual profit will be.

So the story starts in May of 2017 when I bought one of the last remaining in-fill lots in a popular subdivision in one of the wealthier suburbs on the north side of Milwaukee WI.

It takes longer than you think. The plan was to have plans and permits ready by the end of the summer and break ground in August and then have the roof on before the snow flies. Underestimating the red tape was a mistake - before I could present the plans to the city from approval I had to obtain approval from the HOA and their architectural control board. The plans were supposed to be signed off by the developer of the subdivision, but they told me literally at closing that they had turned over control to the newly formed HOA a day ago. Of course the newly formed group of neighbors did not just sign off on our plans, they were keen to be deeply involved had particular ideas about how a home should look like and made me change plans several times before finally signing off in October. This is the very short version of a really long story!

Don't even try to save money on plans. Having a great architect is absolutely key. There are many plans you can buy on the internet and save a couple grand. Saving money is always great, but this is not the place. I would not have made it through the HOA process without my architect. She is also familiar not only with Wisconsin building issues, but has drawn up many plans for the local municipality and understands what they want - for example they will not accept any stone feature to terminate on an outside corner (only inside corners) - details like this are important and can easily cost you a month delay with the city approval.

So, after we finally had HOA approval I presented plan at the next monthly city meeting and was anxious to make up time and start excavating. Here is where I discovered the next issue: you can't excavate until a week before the concrete company is ready to pour the concrete footings, because you don't want your dig to turn into a muddy pond with a soft bottom. So we had to wait again for the weather and the concrete contractor. Finally by the middle of December we completed the dig and within a few days had a basement in place.

As you can see we had to cover the footings with hay to keep the frost out and allow the concrete to cure without freezing before we set the forms for the walls.

A few words about financing: we bought the lot cash and had a construction loan set up to finance the build. This is very common and of course there is a process. The bank requires plans, a detailed construction budget and an appraisal based on the plans to do that, so you need to have good paperwork, before you approach a lender. The funds are being disbursed in draws after the work is completed - in our case we had set up 3 draws. So after about one third of the construction was completed I had to provide a detailed break down of the work done, matching invoices and lien waivers from every subcontractor. The noteworthy detail here is that of course the subcontractors don't want to wait 2 or 3 months before they get paid, so you basically need about the equivalent of one draw in liquid cash on hand to get everyone paid before you can pull from your construction loan and reimburse your working capital.

Early in January the concrete had cured just before temperatures started to drop into the teens. Working in cold temperatures presents a lot of challenges and increases cost. Some days we had to shovel snow for an hour before the work could begin. Tools don't work well, lumber can not be found, because everything is under a white blanked. And some days you have rain on top of snow and then a blistering cold night leaving everything ice crusted and frozen solid... 

in remodeling you can get away without heavy equipment. While we had a telehandler on site to move lumber and help frame walls I decided to rent a big crane with an operator to help set the pre-fabricated roof trusses. It was surprisingly cheap and we had the roof set in less than a day.

Once we had a roof in place and windows were installed we could start to close up sofits and install exterior trim and siding. Two things are really important here: you need to have all your material and design choices done ahead of time. There are too many contractors on the job and any delay on material supply would be a huge waste of money and time. Working with a good contractor supply house is priceless. We could have never done this with materials from a big box store. They know what you need and how much of it. 

The sheer volume of material that is being specified, ordered, delivered, accounted for, invoiced and then paid is massive. If you are used to 50k remodeling jobs you start to realize everything is literally ten fold the amount of paper, money and time. This part is easy to under estimate - local builders will have a full time project manager for every 3 houses they build, 5 at the most!

One of the biggest myths - cost per square foot. A lot of buyers ask builder how much the cost per sqft is and then shop for "the best builder" based on that number. Even worse, some builders will quote a cost per sqft when you talk to them. The cost of a build is so variable in it's many components, using this number for decision making is flat out dangerous. For starters, the lot has a huge impact on the cost and vary greatly. Bedroom sqft's are much cheaper than kitchens and baths. Main floor is much more expensive than a second floor, because the cost of roof and basement is already paid by the main floor. This is why large ranch homes tend to be expensive.

At this part of the project my every day job was to focus on the following items, basically the same as a remodel, just in much larger volume (meaning more hours of my daily time):

- materials: uninterrupted supply of the right materials just in time when needed

- contractors: make sure the right people are on the job at the right time, discuss next steps with every one - every day

- quality control: inspect the work of every trade every day, discuss issues and follow up with corrections

- clean up: it's amazing how much garbage a job produces. keeping the job clean means higher quality and keeping it safe.

- paperwork, tons of it: orders, delivery notes, invoices, checks, payments, lien waivers etc.

About contractors: working with the right people makes all the difference. Most of our trusted remodeling guys were a great fit for new construction, but some were not. The expectations from a buyer are very high on a $650k purchase: perfection is the only acceptable level. On a flip you can get away with a few imperfections, on a luxury spec homes the expectations are similar to a brand new car. And that requires a different level of craftsmanship - all the way down to the paint job.

A lot of trades will specialize on either remodeling or new construction: like HVAC, insulation, painters etc and they don't cross lines, so you have to find new contractors who can deliver the quality and price necessary. Also, you need different trades like a concrete/foundation contractor, excavator, grader, water/sewer, surveyor, engineering company etc not commonly used for remodeling. Generally speaking while in remodeling you want contractors with general skills, for new construction the right contractors are much more professional specialists with a single focus and purpose. 

Here are pictures of the final product:

The first one is always the hardest, it was no different here. It definitely took longer than expected (8 months from closing on the lot to excavation + 9 months of construction + still 2 months to close = 19 months) and over budget (fortunately we also sold it higher than originally expected). I have a long list of ideas for things to do better, faster or different on the next one!

I hope this gave you guys a bit of a taste what it looks like and if you have any questions please fire away!

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Rental Property Investor · West Bend, WI · Member since 2015 · 931 posts · 598 votes
7y
Every place is different when it comes to permits, codes ect. Also Price per Sq Ft varies drastically, even how the Sq Ft is calculated, for example her in WI we typically calculate Sq ft as Heated space, in FL they often calculate "under Roof" so a garage is included in the Sq Ft price, so the price per foot is a lot less because a garage is cheap per sq ft to build vs the heated space. Also the cost per Sq Ft in Cali will most likley be drastically different due to permit costs, contractor and materials costs, as well as product requirements. Are you in an area of Cali that requires Solar on new homes, that can make a HUGE difference. also the smaller the house the more per sq ft generally you will pay, here in WI you could get it down to $110/sq ft or even less if you do some of the work. but I would guess it will be 2-3 times that in Cali. good luck!

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Marcus Auerbach Great write up and very timely as I am preparing to build a small 300-350 sq feet home in my backyard. 

I have a few questions for you 

- Looks like I have 2 choices, go with a full service Corporate GC who will help me with permits and do construction OR go with a mid-size GC but then hire an architect for drawings & permits. Do you have any tips?

- Inspections - would you be able to elaborate how inspections work, what stages are inspections done? And if the inspector found anything that you had to change?

- How does sourcing of materials work? Do you pay for it do your contractors buy it and give you the bill?

- Any idea how much did it cost per sq footage only for the construction part (i.e. all the way from excavation/concrete to final finishes)

Thanks!

Pooja

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  • Professional · Redding, CA · Member since 2017 · 123 posts · 81 votes
    7y

    Excellent write up Marcus! This is such valuable insight. One of my biggest pet peeves is that cities allow anyone with a pencil and some spare time to draw home plans. I know it works for people, but seriously, why!?

    So I thought I'd reiterate this paragraph for anyone reading this thread....

    "Don't even try to save money on plans. Having a great architect is absolutely key. There are many plans you can buy on the internet and save a couple grand. Saving money is always great, but this is not the place. I would not have made it through the HOA process without my architect. She is also familiar not only with Wisconsin building issues, but has drawn up many plans for the local municipality and understands what they want - for example they will not accept any stone feature to terminate on an outside corner (only inside corners) - details like this are important and can easily cost you a month delay with the city approval."

  • Developer · San Diego, CA · Member since 2012 · 133 posts · 114 votes
    7y

    Great write up. I assume everyone's first build must be similar. Yours is very similar to a lot of what I experience as well. I became very tense when you mentioned an HOA approval. I can't imagine. I had to go through a community planning approval which I thought was bad...

    I'm glad you mentioned the value of your architect. Buildings should be built in response to geographic, contextual and environmental conditions. No one plan fits everywhere.

    Looking forward to reading about your next build.

  • Investor · Pasadena, CA · Member since 2015 · 269 posts · 189 votes
    7y

    Looks great and congrats! I remember my first time still... Yes, the devil's in the details. Having a good architect and GC makes all the difference. Whenever a sub has a question we can just tell them to go look at the plans, but if your plans are missing info then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    @Account Closed a GC would probably have wiped out most of my profit. And while I would be the first to say a good GC is totally worth the money (just like an architect) it was the right choice in this case. I have a friend who has been a builder and one who is currently working for one - both offered support and I was glad it had them, even though it was just for moral support! 

  • Santa Clara, CA · Member since 2018 · 100 posts · 71 votes
    7y

    @Marcus Auerbach Great write up and very timely as I am preparing to build a small 300-350 sq feet home in my backyard. 

    I have a few questions for you 

    - Looks like I have 2 choices, go with a full service Corporate GC who will help me with permits and do construction OR go with a mid-size GC but then hire an architect for drawings & permits. Do you have any tips?

    - Inspections - would you be able to elaborate how inspections work, what stages are inspections done? And if the inspector found anything that you had to change?

    - How does sourcing of materials work? Do you pay for it do your contractors buy it and give you the bill?

    - Any idea how much did it cost per sq footage only for the construction part (i.e. all the way from excavation/concrete to final finishes)

    Thanks!

    Pooja

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    @Account Closed glad to hear this is helpful to you. Fortunately you won't have to deal with ice and snow as we do in Milwaukee.

    If you have not done this before I would definitely recommend a GC to bid and carry out the build for you. I have been my own general contractor, but I have been remodeling homes for a long time. Given the smaller size of the structure I think a small GC would be more suitable. The GC will pull permits, hire and supervise the subs - while the GC will mark up the cost of labor and material, chances are that he is buying them for cheaper than you anyway, so it might be a financial wash and you get the job done professionally.

    Inspections are typically done by the municipality. You want to speak with the inspection department before you start and ask them for their requirements - they will have a few pages with instructions for you. In our case they came out to inspect the excavation (location and depth according to submitted plans), then again to inspect the forms for the footings for size and location. I found it very helpful to have someone from the city verify everything before we build a whole house and then find out it's too close to the road etc..

    Next inspections are after framing, roughs in plumbing, rough in electrical and HVAC. Then again for the same when finish and then final occupancy.

    A lot of investors look at inspections as something hostile - I look at them as an almost free consulting service to double check my contractors quality! At the end that benefits me as the builder/owner.

    Cost per sqft - I mentioned that this is a very unreliable number, because a sqft of bathroom will cost a lot more than a bedroom. We ended up building for about $182 per sqft. But you will probably end up somewhat lower due to the fact that you don't need a frost foundation and insulation etc. Generally a Wisconsin number will not help you much in CA as cost of labor, material and permits can vary greatly.

    In my case I sourced most of the materials through a contractor supply house and various specialty stores. You can have your GC do all that or most of it if you want to pick out interior finishes.

    Good luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · West Bend, WI · Member since 2015 · 931 posts · 598 votes
    7y
    Every place is different when it comes to permits, codes ect. Also Price per Sq Ft varies drastically, even how the Sq Ft is calculated, for example her in WI we typically calculate Sq ft as Heated space, in FL they often calculate "under Roof" so a garage is included in the Sq Ft price, so the price per foot is a lot less because a garage is cheap per sq ft to build vs the heated space. Also the cost per Sq Ft in Cali will most likley be drastically different due to permit costs, contractor and materials costs, as well as product requirements. Are you in an area of Cali that requires Solar on new homes, that can make a HUGE difference. also the smaller the house the more per sq ft generally you will pay, here in WI you could get it down to $110/sq ft or even less if you do some of the work. but I would guess it will be 2-3 times that in Cali. good luck!

    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Marcus Auerbach Great write up and very timely as I am preparing to build a small 300-350 sq feet home in my backyard. 

    I have a few questions for you 

    - Looks like I have 2 choices, go with a full service Corporate GC who will help me with permits and do construction OR go with a mid-size GC but then hire an architect for drawings & permits. Do you have any tips?

    - Inspections - would you be able to elaborate how inspections work, what stages are inspections done? And if the inspector found anything that you had to change?

    - How does sourcing of materials work? Do you pay for it do your contractors buy it and give you the bill?

    - Any idea how much did it cost per sq footage only for the construction part (i.e. all the way from excavation/concrete to final finishes)

    Thanks!

    Pooja

  • Wholesaler · Eau Claire, WI · Member since 2014 · 133 posts · 32 votes
    7y

    Marcus,

    Congrats on your success and thanks for the insights. I've been drywalling for 30 years now and have worked on many spec homes. Some have been around 300-400k, but yours looks a bit fancier.

    Will you continue to build spec homes or are you going to do more buy and hold?

    Thanks,

    Kel

  • Santa Clara, CA · Member since 2018 · 100 posts · 71 votes
    7y

    @Marcus Auerbach Thanks much for your response. As a personal challenge I am tempted to take it on myself given than the project is small. But yes I do agree that a small GC would make things much easier!

    You bring out a lot more imp point so a lot to think about. Once again congratulations on your amazing accomplishment! 

  • Santa Clara, CA · Member since 2018 · 100 posts · 71 votes
    7y

    Thank you @Scott Schultz !

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    @Kelly A. There might be another one, if I can find a great lot for a good price - the combination of both is the critical difference between making money and loosing money.

    Buy&hold will always be my core and we are deeply committed to that. Building is something I enjoy as a process, but from a risk/reward point of view it does not even come close to buy&hold. Just like flipping it is a job and not an investment and it takes a lot of time, head space and money to do it well. So in a nutshell, I have not done this because it's the best way I can make money, but because it was something I always wanted to do and it deepened my understanding on real estate in general.

    One of the main things I have learned is that the cost of building is currently very high - if you look at national statistics the median difference between existing homes and new construction is a whopping 31%! We have not built enough houses in the last ten years and are now faced with about a million homes in under supply. Because of the huge price gap not enough new homes are being built, so for now we are stuck in a housing shortage.

    Historically the gap was smaller - only 9% in 2005. Who would not opt for new for almost the same price? Which meant it was very attractive to build new. Hence the building boom, then the bubble (fueled by crazy appreciation and credit for everyone with a heartbeat), then the crash.

    So how do we get out of this conundrum? Existing home prices will continue to rise until they get close enough to new home cost. At that point more people will build and fill up the inventory gap.

    That's great news for buy&hold investors. Existing homes will go up in value, in the Midwest especially anything under 250k in a good location and school district - aka starter homes. As we cant build for that cost any more they are finite in supply, we only have so many of them.

  • Investor · Detroit, MI · Member since 2016 · 211 posts · 144 votes
    7y

    This post make me laugh not because of anything in this post or related to this specific project but because it reminds me something I went through with a good investor friend of mine.

    He purchase i property for $128K and budgeted $60K for his spec build. When he showed me the project he asked me how long it would take. I told him to allow up to 2 years. He laughed at me and told me he was going to do it with his own crew and they would get is done in 3 months. 

    When he asked me for my price I told him $250K. His mounth dropped and he asked me to leave. 

    Eventually his crew was having too much trouble with the project so he got another GC to finish the project for him. After 2.5 years the project was finally finished. His total Costs came to $350.00. After one month on the market he sold it for $325K Mainly because no bank would appraise it for more than what he ended up selling it for. 

    Live and learn :)

    My friend had earned millioins doing fix and flips but never a new construction project. 

    He certainly had more money than I, a lot more, but just because you have money does not mean you know what you are doing all the time. The last time I saw him on his project he was complaining and trying to teach a professional trenching contractor how to do his job. Oh well !!

  • Real Estate Broker · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 427 votes
    7y

    Looks like a nice home.  Would you continue to build spec homes?

    If having a GC would wipe out most of the profit, that is not a good sign. Do you feel that GCing this project yourself took time away from you doing your agent work?

  • Real Estate Broker · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 427 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Marcus Auerbach:

    @Kelly A. There might be another one, if I can find a great lot for a good price - the combination of both is the critical difference between making money and loosing money.

    Buy&hold will always be my core and we are deeply committed to that. Building is something I enjoy as a process, but from a risk/reward point of view it does not even come close to buy&hold. Just like flipping it is a job and not an investment and it takes a lot of time, head space and money to do it well. So in a nutshell, I have not done this because it's the best way I can make money, but because it was something I always wanted to do and it deepened my understanding on real estate in general.

    One of the main things I have learned is that the cost of building is currently very high - if you look at national statistics the median difference between existing homes and new construction is a whopping 31%! We have not built enough houses in the last ten years and are now faced with about a million homes in under supply. Because of the huge price gap not enough new homes are being built, so for now we are stuck in a housing shortage.

    Historically the gap was smaller - only 9% in 2005. Who would not opt for new for almost the same price? Which meant it was very attractive to build new. Hence the building boom, then the bubble (fueled by crazy appreciation and credit for everyone with a heartbeat), then the crash.

    So how do we get out of this conundrum? Existing home prices will continue to rise until they get close enough to new home cost. At that point more people will build and fill up the inventory gap.

    That's great news for buy&hold investors. Existing homes will go up in value, in the Midwest especially anything under 250k in a good location and school district - aka starter homes. As we cant build for that cost any more they are finite in supply, we only have so many of them.

     Totally agree with you on buy-and-hold. I learned the hard way!

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    @Adrian Chu absolutley it took time. I estimate somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 hours. Thats why a GC working for a builder has never more than 3-5 houses under way, that's a full time job. Plus picking out materials and designs and orderingeverything from roof shingles to door stoppers takes some time too. What surprised me most was the amount of paperwork it takes just to "spend" half a million in terms of processing paperwork compared to a rehab.

  • Specialist · Charlotte NC · Member since 2017 · 109 posts · 48 votes
    7y

    @Marcus Auerbach thank you for sharing your project story. As someone who is looking into doing their first spec house, it is great to hear a real-life example from someone else's first. And as a design professional I definitely appreciate your emphasis on spending the money for a quality design and the points about cost per sq ft. All square feet are not equal!!

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    @Joshua Stewart my biggest concern was always the marketability of the house; it had to sell fast, even in a softer market. I am seeing plenty of failed listings (usually not specs thouh) that just sit and then get discounted as days on market build up and the perceived value is erroded down. We bought a lot in an A location and passed on plenty that would have been easy to buy. Every design decision was made with the principle that 90% of the population would like it or at least not take offense to a design choice. We had some cool design ideas, but they were potentially polarizing and we could have risked to loose the one buyer, that would have written the first offer. I would highly recommend to have female input in interior designs; wife's often make the final call about making an offer and I have seen guys build houses that are way to masculine in design - dark tile bathroom or kitchn etc.. 

  • Specialist · Charlotte NC · Member since 2017 · 109 posts · 48 votes
    7y

    That is great advice!

  • Peter TverdovBusiness Member
    Developer · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Marcus Auerbach would you mind listing out all of the trades you need to hire for a new build? I'm thinking of diving into a new home build myself and being the GC and would like to know whats involved. I have made a list but would like to compare with other new home builders. 

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    Peter, good questions, I don't have a definitive list, but let me give it a shot:

    - surveyor, engineer

    - architect

    - project manager (can be the GC)

    - book-keeping, accounts payable

    - port-a-john service

    - excavator

    - basement contractor

    - water and sewer contractor (we needed directional boring)

    - contractor material supply house

    - framers, rough carpenters

    - roofers (gutters)

    - window installer

    - disposal crew, job site cleaners, dumpsters

    - fireplace contractor

    - HVAC

    - plumber

    - electrician

    - insulation (spray, stuff, blow in)

    - drywaller

    - texture

    - painters

    - finish carpenters (doors, trim, millwork)

    - stain contractor

    - cabinet installer

    - hardwood floor installer

    - tile contractor

    - carpet installers

    - siding contractor

    - caulker

    - flat-work contractor (concrete)

    - back fill / finish grade (excavator)

    - landscaper

    - installer (closet shelves, door hardware, towel bars etc)

    - cleaning crew

    - Realtor

    In Wisconsin the GC markup is typically about 8% - for about 500 hours of work - just so you know what you sign up for. Most builders will have a project manager handle about 3-4 builds at a time as a full time job. It was substantially more work than a flip - which should not have come as a surprise, I have also spent about 8 times the money, that's a lot of orders written, materials picked out, deliveries coordinated, contractors scheduled and re-scheduled, quality inspected, items returned, checks written and bills paid. 

  • Developer · Covington, LA · Member since 2017 · 224 posts · 124 votes
    7y

    Nice job with this write-up @Marcus Auerbach. You mentioned the price difference between new homes and existing homes is currently 31% versus an historical average of 9%, and that over time we will seek equilibrium. Yet, doesn't this metric help today's home builders. With this type of pricing disparity, it would seem builders are making a killing.

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    @Rogers Smith 

    You would think, but they get squeezed. Consumers don't want to pay higher prices, but land is hard to get, materials have gone up and labor is rapidly going up. I have a big residential roofer as a client and he raised wages in June between 10 and 22%, just to retain staff. That's unheard of, but for the first time in a decade we see low and mid income wages go up, which is great news for us landlords BTW. Lumber prices went up about 25% in the last 24 months, steel, concrete, drywall etc are all moving in the same direction. Cabinet suppliers are raising prices to bring excessive lead times down. The list goes on. Bottom line is that home builders revenue is up significantly, but their profits are under pressure. Look at the public traded builders, like Toll Brothers Inc - reports a EBITDA of 11.34%, so net profit probably around 6 or 7%.

    As an investor, building a spec was a great project, but considering the risk, cash required and profit margin it does not rank very good. Custom homes are a bit better, but now you have to manage a anxious customer for a year. Profitability goes up when you develop land and can control your cost per parcel, but it may take 2 to 5 years to fully develop a subdivision and nobody knows what the economy will look like, so the risks are enourmous.

  • Johnson City, TN · Member since 2017 · 209 posts · 367 votes
    7y
    I have done new construction over the years as well as remodels and flips. I find new construction to be far easier. I am fortunate to live in an area where the red tape is minimal compared to many areas. New construction offers fewer surprises than remodels and flips and a smoother process as to using subs to complete the job. Remodeling involves more hands on management and often the use of more "jack of all trades" labor which can be harder to obtain and manage.
  • Developer · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2008 · 148 posts · 34 votes
    7y

    great job. Red tape is always frustrating.  

    Couple questions for you.. if you have a minute.

    -How did you pull permits without a GC? (most jurisdictions I have worked in require GC license to pull permits).

    - Did the buyer(s) have any concerns about the home not being built by a licensed GC?

    - The 8-15% profit figure you mentioned, is that a percentage of gross sales or Cash on cash? Just want to be clear so I can compare to my own numbers. 

    thanks!

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Marcus Auerbach:

    Peter, good questions, I don't have a definitive list, but let me give it a shot:

    - surveyor, engineer

    - architect

    - project manager (can be the GC)

    - book-keeping, accounts payable

    - port-a-john service

    - excavator

    - basement contractor

    - water and sewer contractor (we needed directional boring)

    - contractor material supply house

    - framers, rough carpenters

    - roofers (gutters)

    - window installer

    - disposal crew, job site cleaners, dumpsters

    - fireplace contractor

    - HVAC

    - plumber

    - electrician

    - insulation (spray, stuff, blow in)

    - drywaller

    - texture

    - painters

    - finish carpenters (doors, trim, millwork)

    - stain contractor

    - cabinet installer

    - hardwood floor installer

    - tile contractor

    - carpet installers

    - siding contractor

    - caulker

    - flat-work contractor (concrete)

    - back fill / finish grade (excavator)

    - landscaper

    - installer (closet shelves, door hardware, towel bars etc)

    - cleaning crew

    - Realtor

    In Wisconsin the GC markup is typically about 8% - for about 500 hours of work - just so you know what you sign up for. Most builders will have a project manager handle about 3-4 builds at a time as a full time job. It was substantially more work than a flip - which should not have come as a surprise, I have also spent about 8 times the money, that's a lot of orders written, materials picked out, deliveries coordinated, contractors scheduled and re-scheduled, quality inspected, items returned, checks written and bills paid. 

    just wanted to comment on how regional these things are.  IN our market in Oregon.

    For instance the Framer installs windows and that's included in their bid.

    Dry wall company also does the insulation.. 

    We have large flooring companies that take care of all hard surfaces so one stop shopping and they have designers on staff.. so floor counter tops tile all one stop.

    dig out excavator will do all utl hooks ups and back fill one stop.

    Painters will do all your chalking 

    the rest of the list is as stated above..  And will add a garage door installer. 

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