Housing is a Rip Off: The National Disaster and 11 Steps to Fix It

Housing is a Rip Off: The National Disaster and 11 Steps to Fix It

Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 235 votes

Why I'm Triggered

Every week I read stories on social media about someone’s unfortunate situation driven by the increasing cost of housing and wages that have not kept up….and I’m sick of it.

Part of me wants to message these individuals privately and offer words of financial advice and encourage a solution-based mindset rather than outcries of injustice. I have always been a believer in self-reliance and the mindless complaining and blaming is not productive.

…but then I think about John, the American hero who spends long hours driving an ambulance to provide for his family and make alimony payments to his ex-wife. I know that John may never be able to buy a home and may always be one accident away from bankruptcy.

The reality of our current position in the economic cycle is that home prices are high and mortgage rates are high enough to ensure someone like John may never qualify for the loan. Furthermore, rents are increasing at a much higher rate than his 3% annual wage increases. Eventually, John may have to move to a more affordable area, leaving behind his job, friends, and the community where he has lived for many years.

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I’m not here to preach pity and argue the morality of raising rents. After all, my livelihood is based on buying multifamily real estate and renting units to working class Americans. Rents must be raised to keep up with the inflation of expenses and provide a minimum return on investment for shareholders. I have always been a proponent of free market solutions to real world problems and there is no emotion involved in the calculation of economic equilibrium.

John’s situation is a reminder that the hardworking people who service America will increasingly struggle to afford life’s basic necessity of shelter, and this reality has second and third order economic effects that reach far beyond John.

How This Dumpster Fire Happened

The root cause of the housing crisis is a lack of new construction, coupled with rising housing costs (home prices, interest rates, and rents) and stagnant wage growth. The lack of available land for development, and several regulatory barriers that make it more difficult and expensive to build new housing, are the main reasons behind the shortage. This has led to skyrocketing housing costs, and a widening gap between the cost of housing and median incomes.

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So What?

The consequences of the affordable housing crisis are dire and wide-ranging.

  • Businesses will struggle to attract and retain employees, which leads to reduced productivity and economic growth.
  • Reduced purchasing power of low and middle-income families will reduce consumer demand and lead to economic stagnation.

I believe in the power of the market to drive productivity. There is a supply problem and we need to take a market-based approach to solving it. We must increase the supply of affordable housing units, and remove regulatory barriers that are preventing the construction of new housing.

This is not a problem we can afford to ignore because it threatens the economic well-being of our nation. It's not just the right thing to do, it's also a smart economic move.

We Can Make a Dent!

There are several steps that can be taken to address the affordable housing crisis without increasing restrictions such as rent control or providing additional free handouts. Forcing investors to create affordable housing will never work because there will always be a more profitable investment elsewhere. Additionally, social programs are expensive, often abused, and can kill ambition.

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Instead, the solution to this problem must make investment in affordable housing more profitable. Similar to how pets are trained, humans respond positively to incentive-based conditioning, and negatively to punishment.

Steps Toward Progress

Here are 11 steps that could result in a significant increase of affordable housing units:

  1. 1. Increase funding for affordable housing programs such as the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit (LIHTC) and Community Development Block Grants (CDBG) to build and rehabilitate more units.
  2. 2. Introduce more local incentives such as density bonuses, reduced permitting fees, and streamlined approval processes to developers who build affordable housing units.
  3. 3. Offer surplus government-owned land to investors at a low cost for the construction of affordable housing units.
  4. 4. Form Joint Ventures (JVs) between governments and investors to build and finance affordable housing projects.
  5. 5. Expand Housing Trust Funds (HTFs) to provide grants, loans, tax credits, and other forms of financial assistance for affordable housing.
  6. 6. Encourage the development of micro-units and accessory dwelling units (ADUs), which can be more affordable for low-income renters and can be built in existing neighborhoods, rather than requiring the construction of new developments.
  7. 7. Change local zoning and land use policies to allow for a greater density of housing units, making it easier and more financially viable for developers to build affordable housing.
  8. 8. Offer tax relief to landlords who agree to rent units at below-market rates to low-income tenants, making it more financially viable for them to do so.
  9. 9. Establish more government-sponsored loans for acquisition and construction of affordable housing units, which can be offered to real estate investors with better terms than traditional financing.
  10. 10. Promote the use of modular and prefabricated building techniques, which can help to reduce the cost of building new housing units and can make it easier to build in difficult or remote locations.
  11. 11. Re-purpose existing asset classes to affordable housing. 30% of office buildings can be converted into housing....and can make cities more affordable, more equitable, safer, and more fun.
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Final Thoughts

The affordable housing crisis is a multifaceted problem that is affecting people from all walks of life. The root cause is a lack of new construction, coupled with rising housing costs and stagnant wage growth. It is crucial for our society's stability and economic prosperity that we take urgent action to solve this crisis.

Instead of using restrictive measures such as rent control or providing additional handouts, a market-based approach should be taken to increase the supply of affordable housing units and remove regulatory barriers preventing the construction of new housing.

If you know of any additional steps that can be taken to solve the affordable housing crisis, add them in the comments section below!

If you have any questions, please leave them in the comments section.

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Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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Quote from @Elijah Brown:

Why I'm Triggered

Every week I read stories on social media about someone’s unfortunate situation driven by the increasing cost of housing and wages that have not kept up….and I’m sick of it.


If you have any questions, please leave them in the comments section.

Your reasoning is weak at best.

Russia tried what you are suggesting and that gave us the Siviet Union with all of it's misery. You should read more. 

I actually read the constitution and nowhere does it gurantee you can move into an expensive city and buy a house. That is why migrations happen or we would all be still living in Philidephia. 

To solve the affordable housing problem, people need to move to where their skills and talents allow them to thrive. It's like complaining about being fat but eating at McDonald's every day. It's a choice. 

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  • Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Elijah Brown:

    Why I'm Triggered

    Every week I read stories on social media about someone’s unfortunate situation driven by the increasing cost of housing and wages that have not kept up….and I’m sick of it.


    If you have any questions, please leave them in the comments section.

    Your reasoning is weak at best.

    Russia tried what you are suggesting and that gave us the Siviet Union with all of it's misery. You should read more. 

    I actually read the constitution and nowhere does it gurantee you can move into an expensive city and buy a house. That is why migrations happen or we would all be still living in Philidephia. 

    To solve the affordable housing problem, people need to move to where their skills and talents allow them to thrive. It's like complaining about being fat but eating at McDonald's every day. It's a choice. 

  • Investor · Vermont and New York · Member since 2023 · 308 posts · 309 votes
    3y
    Did you try seeing what ChatGPT would create with some assignment?
  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 235 votes
    3y

    @Account Closed Can you be more specific? I'm not sure I'm following your argument here....it's a bit confusing.

    What did I recommend that Russia did that failed?

    Do you not think the lack of affordable housing is a crisis?

    I agree that people need to move where their skills and talents allow them to thrive.... at the same time, we can find ways to ensure more people can stay in the cities they've lived in for generations by making affordable housing more profitable for investors.

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 235 votes
    3y

    @Tim J. lol No. Good idea though!

  • Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Elijah Brown:

    @Account Closed Can you be more specific? I'm not sure I'm following your argument here....it's a bit confusing.

    What did I recommend that Russia did that failed?

    Do you not think the lack of affordable housing is a crisis?

    I agree that people need to move where their skills and talents allow them to thrive.... at the same time, we can find ways to ensure more people can stay in the cities they've lived in for generations by making affordable housing more profitable for investors.

    Why do you believe more government is the solution?
  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 235 votes
    3y

    @Account Closed I think the government needs to provide more incentives to real estate investors instead of free handouts. Social programs don't work. The only thing that will really solve this problem is increasing the supply of units to meet the demand. Investors won't build units unless it is profitable to do so. 

  • Lender · Washington DC · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    From other angles to look at the problem:

    John's employer pays him minimum wage?

    If John has children the cost of child care is exorbitant and those women who work in childcare don't make minimum wage, often less.

    Land cost is the biggest hurdle in high cost areas. Get city/county planning to allow mid rise. Build smaller units.  Find free or cheap land near 

    Convince NIMBY neighbors that they do not own a city.

    Tax credits have not convinced any publicly traded builders to create low income units for this purpose. The reason is they don't pay income taxes so no need for a credit. Only reason to venture this way is for good will credits. Self employed persons who are smaller builders also don't need tax credits for the same reason and have less motivation to deal with tough deals with tight margins to make their community like them on Facebook.

    Public housing and Section 8 take three years for a low income person to qualify and fit in somewhere.

    So what can we do for John? Look into the alimony he pays and find a way to support her and get her income up and end the alimony. Offer him forgiveness on IRS taxes as a refund retroactively when he closes on a house (three year claw back bonus). Offer transportation free from commute area to where he works where housing is cheaper. USDA does this but we don't have the infrastructure for trains, bus lines, free working class public transportation that is clean and has wifi. Maybe find an ambulance EMT driver job in lower cost location and pencil the difference of owning and writing down the interest and taxes against his W-2. 

    Have free financial counseling that helps John, his ex-wife and extended family plan for the future. 

    Yes shortage of housing is part of the problem. Creating product takes a three or four year cycle from planning, permits, completion. 

    John needs a new wife who has good credit, no bills and a great job. Can he start a side business? Maybe he knows something about lifesaver hammers or tool bags that he can build a prototype? 

    We need to help him dream.

  • Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Elijah Brown:

    @Account Closed I think the government needs to provide more incentives to real estate investors instead of free handouts. Social programs don't work. The only thing that will really solve this problem is increasing the supply of units to meet the demand. Investors won't build units unless it is profitable to do so. 

    Be careful what you wish for:
    Seattle has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    San Francisco has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Portland has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    LA has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Chicago has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    New York has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Balitmore has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict

    Are you seeing a trend here?




  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 235 votes
    3y

    @Caroline Gerardo I love the recommendations and I agree with what you said. Thanks for contributing!

  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2015 · 68 posts · 235 votes
    3y

    @Account Closed I think you missed my point here and it seems you didn't read my article. I specifically said rent control and government restriction DOES NOT WORK. I am not a fan of lots of government intervention. What I'm saying here is that building more units of housing needs to be more profitable for investors. One way to do this is by incentivizing investors.

    No one wants to invest in the locations you listed above. The liberals running those cities and states have ensured the problem will get way worse. Those leaders aren't looking for viable solutions to the affordable housing issue.

  • Investor · Paradise Valley, AZ · Member since 2012 · 366 posts · 214 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Elijah Brown:

    @Account Closed I think the government needs to provide more incentives to real estate investors instead of free handouts. Social programs don't work. The only thing that will really solve this problem is increasing the supply of units to meet the demand. Investors won't build units unless it is profitable to do so. 

    Be careful what you wish for:
    Seattle has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    San Francisco has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Portland has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    LA has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Chicago has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    New York has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Balitmore has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict

    Are you seeing a trend here?




    I have rental property in Seattle and you absolutely can evict a tenant for failure to pay rent or for being habitually late with rent.  To say a landlord can’t evict is nonsense.
  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    3y

    it all boils down to who owns the land.

    the govmit owns very little land in and around cities that are not parks  open space and other public amenities.

    So the land is generally owned by private folks  or companies.. and its a free market.

    affordable housing in many areas of the west is simply an Oxymoron..

    take my little 90 home project I am building now in the suburbs of Portland.  Land cost 80k per lot  improve said lots ( streets sewer water storm drain etc) 60k per lot.  Permit fee's including  sewer tap, water tap,  park fee, school fee  30k per lot. ( and these are small lots 5k sq ft ) Soft costs 30k per lot .

    So before you even talk about building your in these lots your already at 200k per lot.. and we are one of the cheaper places to develop on the west coast.

    build modests structure 125 to 150 for two story 150 to 200 for single story per foot.  anyway you slice it 200 to 300k to build.. So your affordable house is 450 to 550k.  So in this market if you cant afford .. you simply move to  KC or INDY or Cleveland or Birmingham or Jackson MS  .  or parts of Texas were you can buy an existing home for 250 to 300k .. And there are literrally millions of homes in the US under 125k .  I know I finance a ton of them mainly to investors but they are there.. Its just folks are spoiled they dont want to live in areas of 125k houses.. they would rather rent and live by the beach LOL.. All personal choice.

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Elijah Brown have John move to Portland and get a job at Trimet $7500 bonus and $27 something starting and all the hours you want. After 35 months $36.17 per hour.  Work lots of overtime and hook up with another driver and you are good. 

    I am tired of people thinking they can work 40 hours in untrained jobs and make a living wage. There has to be a bottom somewhere. You start there and work your way up. These days if you show up you are special and get promoted.

  • Investor · Vermont and New York · Member since 2023 · 308 posts · 309 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Albert Hasson:
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Elijah Brown:

    @Account Closed I think the government needs to provide more incentives to real estate investors instead of free handouts. Social programs don't work. The only thing that will really solve this problem is increasing the supply of units to meet the demand. Investors won't build units unless it is profitable to do so. 

    Be careful what you wish for:
    Seattle has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    San Francisco has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Portland has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    LA has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Chicago has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    New York has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Balitmore has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict

    Are you seeing a trend here?




    I have rental property in Seattle and you absolutely can evict a tenant for failure to pay rent or for being habitually late with rent.  To say a landlord can’t evict is nonsense.

    I think his point was that in the "liberal" cities it is much harder to evict and takes more time and more money than in places that are friendlier to landlords.


  • Rental Property Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2020 · 161 posts · 88 votes
    3y

    @Elijah Brown, like you stated, It's a business cycle that repeats periodically. I do my part to help with the housing shortage by leasing some of my houses through the Section 8 Program. Plus, they pay me above market rents for leasing to black, single parent families in predominately white neighborhoods. They bring me their "Walker Settlement Voucher" now called "Housing Choice Voucher" and I gladly participate. This is a result of the Supreme Court case, Walker v Dallas Housing Authority. It's an interesting case, Google it..

  • Investor · Malakoff, TX · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    No. The root cause of high housing prices has been 12 years of artificially cheap money (financing) driving prices up. And now money ain't so cheap anymore. 

  • Dan H.Pro Member
    Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    3y

    Where there is a will, there is a way.

    I knew a couple who never earned more than $50K of income between the two of them yet they owned multi millions in RE. They initially purchased OO with low LTV and value add and extracted the gain. They then purchased investment properties with value adds and extracted the gain. They moved up from cheap rentals to nicer rentals.

    I learned from them and did the same (admittedly my family salary at one point was a lot higher than their $50K, but today our family income is similar to theirs).

    Today, save 3.5% plus closing and some reserves to buy a house hack value add. Do the value add and rent by room to get the mortgage paid for or nearly paid for. Extract gain when it makes sense and repeat. Soon enough you will have the capital to buy non-OO. Maybe can find owner financing near OO level LTV.

    Not everyone can afford to live anywhere they want.  3.5% too much where you live, move to some place cheaper.  Detroit, Clevland, many areas in North Dakota to just name a few, 3.5% is less than a used car.  After you have made some money, more markets become attainable.

    Do not expect overnight riches; realize RE is safest as a long game.  Do not make excuses.  Better done than said; just do it!  No whining allowed!

    .

  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 584 posts · 738 votes
    3y

    @Elijah Brown

    Thanks for starting this thread. It allows BP members to air out their view points.

    To your OP, I read it, understand it, and can extrapolate a few possibilities from your background (accurate/not accurate, doesn't matter). Your point is taken. Thank you.

    I will disagree with your perspectives but I understand with your internal frustrations.

    The government should not be responsible for incentivizing anything. We, the investors, have taken advantage of those incentives that currently exists. The fact is, it exists for everyone. This is a free country and everyone has the right to chose. Some chose to hustle and get ahead, others do not care to get ahead. No matter what additional incentives come out (like those you suggest) the problems you describe will continue to exist and likely grow because of generational dependency. What I am saying is that it will likely make the country poverty and housing crisis worse.

    Like Dan said, people can move to cheaper areas. Get started, repeat, and upgrade their life over time and generations. Our current infrastructure and programs cannot afford more government handouts/investor incentives. Yes, I said handouts/investor incentives. Both are the same. Both cost you and I in the long run. Both take us a step closer to socialism and away from capitalism. A handout give the people the freedom of choice. An investment incentive is an attempt to force a change that the end user may not care to take advantage of.

    For context, I came to America with ZERO money in my pocket, no English, and no family resources. I was a refugee from the Cambodia Civil war. I grew up in the jungles, running and hiding from killers and cannibals on a daily basis for the first 10 years. At the same time, I hustled to survive, smuggling items between borders. I was a kid in America that wore tattered donated or discarded clothes from churches and trash. I took any job I could find since I was 12 years old here. Factory sewing, soldering, baking doughnuts, jewelery repair, diamond cutter, US Army, Motorcycle mechanic, coffee distributors, etc... many of them over lapping, while sleeping an average of 2 to 3 hours a day for years. To top it off, there was no mentor, no guidance for government programs, no internet, just a lot of fear and drive to succeed. I rented a 10x12 room, in an apartment, living as a family and scared to come out to use the restroom while the owner was up/awake. Gang ingested neighborhoods. Followed, chased, and robbed on occasion when getting off the bus on payday at 1am as a kid. That's life in most of America. Believe me, I've traveled all 49 states many times.

    However, the hard work paid off. I was able to achieve FI and retire from working just after 40. Been on the path of generational wealth building the last few years with the help of BP content. Im 45 now and I'm not sure how much longer I will continue to hustle because there is more than enough for the next several generations. It now more of the excitement of the investment. The ability to help others who want to be helped.

    On this forum, we have people from all backgrounds. Many very successful veterans of the forum have meager beginnings. Because of that, I think there will be a contingent that will disagree with your OP. However, it's a good dialogue to have from time to time.

  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 584 posts · 738 votes
    3y

    BTW, for those that read my post carefully... Yes... I know there are 50 states, but I have not been to Hawaii yet. I do alot of RVing and Motorcycling on the mainland.

    Cheers!

  • Developer · Boulder, CO · Member since 2018 · 530 posts · 365 votes
    3y

    @Elijah Brown Thanks for the great article, Elijah. As a developer, the most immediate action I can personally take to promote affordability is to reduce unit size and increase efficiency and except less profit.

    Developers will never be able to control labor and material costs, interest rates, land use/availability, or cost.

    Suggestions to lean on officals to reduce permitting process and increase density have merit but takes time and needs to be pursued burb by burb as does increasing tax credit programs which are currently a costly nightmare to navigate.

    That is why I am looking for ways to bring a project in that will cost less by developing smaller spaces and a willingness to take less profit on my side of the deal.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y

    @Elijah Brown Good topic. You lost me and you're gonna lose a lot of 'thinking' people when you start bringing in the Government as much as you have. Govt needs to get out of the way, not get more involved. No more raising taxes - for anything...! That is one of your buddy, John's, problems.

    And as for poor old John, we've all been there. He has hundreds of options in today's America, more like thousands......too many to list.

  • Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Albert Hasson:
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Elijah Brown:

    @Account Closed I think the government needs to provide more incentives to real estate investors instead of free handouts. Social programs don't work. The only thing that will really solve this problem is increasing the supply of units to meet the demand. Investors won't build units unless it is profitable to do so. 

    Be careful what you wish for:
    Seattle has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    San Francisco has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Portland has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    LA has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Chicago has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    New York has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Balitmore has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict

    Are you seeing a trend here?




    I have rental property in Seattle and you absolutely can evict a tenant for failure to pay rent or for being habitually late with rent.  To say a landlord can’t evict is nonsense.

    @Albert Hasson:  Apparently you  don't know the laws in Seattle, let me help

    I'd give more laws than the ones below, but do your own research
    (I was born and raised in Seattle and sold all of our properties and left because of things like this. )
    *************************************************************************

    Just Cause and Limitations on Tenant Displacement

    Tenant displacement is limited in several circumstances. Please refer to the specific sections of the code for specific details and exceptions. They include:

    • 1. A tenant having to vacate the housing unit six months during or after the termination of the moratorium due to financial hardship resulting in non-payment of rent (SMC 22.205.090)
    • 2. A tenant having to vacate the housing unit during the school year and is a student or school employee. (SMC 22.205.110)
    • 3. A low to moderate income tenant who would need to leave between December 1st and March 1st if the owner owns 4 or more housing units (SMC 22.205.080)




    22.205.080 - Defense related to certain evictions that would result in vacating between December 1 and March 1

    https://library.municode.com/w...


    22.205.100 - Defense related to financial hardship


    22.205.110 - Defense related to certain vacating during school year

  • Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Elijah Brown:

    @Account Closed I think you missed my point here and it seems you didn't read my article. I specifically said rent control and government restriction DOES NOT WORK. I am not a fan of lots of government intervention. What I'm saying here is that building more units of housing needs to be more profitable for investors. One way to do this is by incentivizing investors.

    No one wants to invest in the locations you listed above. The liberals running those cities and states have ensured the problem will get way worse. Those leaders aren't looking for viable solutions to the affordable housing issue.

    The cities I listed are where people wanted to be, until government tried to make housing "more affordable" by "helping people". I'm not sure you are seeing the cause and effect here. 
  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Albert Hasson:

    Oh sure, you can evict anywhere....but how long does it take and how much does it cost, is the ultimate question.....

    We all know that a city like Seattle is much harder than a city in Arizona or Texas.....


  • Investor · Paradise Valley, AZ · Member since 2012 · 366 posts · 214 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Albert Hasson:
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Elijah Brown:

    @Account Closed I think the government needs to provide more incentives to real estate investors instead of free handouts. Social programs don't work. The only thing that will really solve this problem is increasing the supply of units to meet the demand. Investors won't build units unless it is profitable to do so. 

    Be careful what you wish for:
    Seattle has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    San Francisco has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Portland has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    LA has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Chicago has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    New York has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict
    Balitmore has a lot of goverment help in real estate: Now landlords can't evict

    Are you seeing a trend here?




    I have rental property in Seattle and you absolutely can evict a tenant for failure to pay rent or for being habitually late with rent.  To say a landlord can’t evict is nonsense.

    @Albert Hasson:  Apparently you  don't know the laws in Seattle, let me help

    I'd give more laws than the ones below, but do your own research
    (I was born and raised in Seattle and sold all of our properties and left because of things like this. )
    *************************************************************************

    Just Cause and Limitations on Tenant Displacement

    Tenant displacement is limited in several circumstances. Please refer to the specific sections of the code for specific details and exceptions. They include:

    • 1. A tenant having to vacate the housing unit six months during or after the termination of the moratorium due to financial hardship resulting in non-payment of rent (SMC 22.205.090)
    • 2. A tenant having to vacate the housing unit during the school year and is a student or school employee. (SMC 22.205.110)
    • 3. A low to moderate income tenant who would need to leave between December 1st and March 1st if the owner owns 4 or more housing units (SMC 22.205.080)




    22.205.080 - Defense related to certain evictions that would result in vacating between December 1 and March 1

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    22.205.100 - Defense related to financial hardship


    22.205.110 - Defense related to certain vacating during school year

    I was born and raised in Seattle myself and I stand by my statement.
    You absolutely can evict a tenants for a multitude of reasons including non payment of rent and habitually late rent. Yes there are some stipulations in the Seattle landlord laws that favor the tenant but there are thousands of successful landlords including myself that navigate the laws very successfully and love the property appreciation that comes in a city that is a highly desirable place to live.

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