9 unit new construction in Philadelphia

9 unit new construction in Philadelphia

Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes

Here's a 9 unit I recently completed in West Philly, it's part of a syndication I put together and it has 4 buildings total in that syndication. I sourced the vacant lots, got them permitted, got the financing lined up, built them as the GC, then my wife leases them up and property manages. She's a realtor as well and we find that no one cares about your properties as much as you, so over the years we've become GC/property manager/realtor. 

Two doors down is a quadplex I built from the ground up at the same time and around the corner is also a quadplex and a duplex I just finished. I call this strategy "buy the block". It's important if you're going into a new area that doesn't have a ton of development yet, but you are very confident in, to purchase as much inexpensive land as possible before your plans become known but to also make sure you drive enough volume in that area to make it clear to tenants that they're not in a desert outpost all alone. When they see multiple new construction projects around the area they are more comfortable making their decision to rent your unit. When I bought these lots two years ago there wasn't any new construction in the area yet but here's where knowing your market and having a good idea of what drives development geographically, amongst other factors (jobs, amenities, public trans, etc.), is very important. I rode around and managed to find a few people working on rehabs and found out who they were renting to, rents they were getting, and one guy was kind enough to walk me through his rehab project. I liked the area geographically and for other reasons but once I had confirmation he was renting to nurses, meds and eds, grad students, university and hospital employees with good rent numbers, I was all in. We're getting great rents for the area so our research paid off. 

Funny story, there is a rundown vacant building between my 9 unit and quadplex, you can just see it peeking out on the right side of the first picture. I tried to buy it two plus years ago and would have torn it down and combined it with the 9 unit and 4 unit lots to make one large 21 unit building! As it sat it was worth less than $100k but somehow the owner figured out I owned the lots on either side of him so he wanted $200k for it plus I had to tear it down for another $20k or so. It still made sense to purchase but unfortunately my investors got nervous at the last minute since we were in the midst of a pandemic and the stock market was doing funky things, so they pulled their cash to purchase it and all my cash was tied up elsewhere, so I had to move forward with the quad and 9 unit. Everything worked out fine but even two plus years later the building still sits vacant and I'm not going to lie, it still stings looking at that thing! 

These projects are all in QOZ's and one of my investors was able to take advantage of that and we set up a QOF for two of the buildings for them. I'm headed out now for final inspections on the the quad and duplex and we'll start leasing up this weekend. Happy to answer questions if you have any and connect with anyone that's building new construction MFH. It's my favorite niche as you have equity the day you finish and you have a premium product that people want to rent. Also, maintenance costs are almost non-existent in the first few years as very little (generally) goes wrong in the first 5 years or so. My city also has a tax abatement program for new construction so I pay taxes on the land only for the first 10 years. My taxes on the 9 without the abatement would be around $6400 and with the abatement they're around $1800/year for 10 years. The city has recently stepped the abatement down so it's basically cut in half but all of these projects got in under the deadline and have the full 10 year abatement. 

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Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 618 posts · 430 votes
3y

Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

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  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 618 posts · 430 votes
    3y

    Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

    Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

     The 9 unit was only two lots. The lot in between would have gotten me enough square footage to utilize the green roof bonus which would have gotten me 3 additional lots on top of the 4 by right the lot allowed. As far as taxes, I suspect it will be much higher at some later date, as of now the appraised value for tax purposes is only at $1m or so. I'm not complaining and it doesn't make a difference for the next 10 years, so they can appraise it at where they like, for now! 

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  • Member since 2023 · 16 posts · 2 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Troy Sheets:
    Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

    Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

     The 9 unit was only two lots. The lot in between would have gotten me enough square footage to utilize the green roof bonus which would have gotten me 3 additional lots on top of the 4 by right the lot allowed. As far as taxes, I suspect it will be much higher at some later date, as of now the appraised value for tax purposes is only at $1m or so. I'm not complaining and it doesn't make a difference for the next 10 years, so they can appraise it at where they like, for now! 

    @Troy Sheets how do I get started in new construction as a beginner 

  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia · Member since 2019 · 5 posts · 5 votes
    3y

    Wow @Troy Sheets!

    I see this big project and the "buy the block" idea fitting right in with what I imagine for West Philly. I'm an agent and investor, but I want to learn more about this kind of development. How did you go about getting the empty lots? I used to think running my property management company was the way to buy properties, but could being a General Contractor help get more investors on board?
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    Real Estate Agent · Metro Detroit · Member since 2023 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    Buy the block and make your own market.

    Congrats!

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  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:
    Quote from @Troy Sheets:
    Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

    Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

     The 9 unit was only two lots. The lot in between would have gotten me enough square footage to utilize the green roof bonus which would have gotten me 3 additional lots on top of the 4 by right the lot allowed. As far as taxes, I suspect it will be much higher at some later date, as of now the appraised value for tax purposes is only at $1m or so. I'm not complaining and it doesn't make a difference for the next 10 years, so they can appraise it at where they like, for now! 

    @Troy Sheets how do I get started in new construction as a beginner 


     That's a broad question not knowing your background, experience, market, etc. If you have specific questions I'm happy to help. Broadly speaking, I would say network with developers in your market that are doing what you want to do. I've taken at least a dozen investors through this project at various stages and they asked a ton of questions and hopefully learned a lot. I'm always happy to help others and pass along knowledge and I'm sure you can find someone in your market that will do the same. In the meantime, ask away on here and I'll answer as best I can. 

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Michael Smythe:

    Buy the block and make your own market.

    Congrats!


     Thanks Michael!

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Zahmir Brooks-Smith:

    Wow @Troy Sheets!

    I see this big project and the "buy the block" idea fitting right in with what I imagine for West Philly. I'm an agent and investor, but I want to learn more about this kind of development. How did you go about getting the empty lots? I used to think running my property management company was the way to buy properties, but could being a General Contractor help get more investors on board?

    Hi Zahmir, nice to see another Philly investor on here! These lots were on the MLS believe it or not, they were just overlooked for whatever reason. I did get one off market by cold calling the owner and have used wholesalers and marketing to secure projects in the past. I bought these about three years ago and was ahead of the curve a bit on this area but knew from experience that this area was a good bet. They're a half block off Lancaster Ave and there are multiple trolley and bus stops in several directions. There's a huge active church on the block that looks beautiful but isn't too busy so there's plenty of parking most days and there's a big elementary school on the next block so again, plenty of parking and it looks nice. There's the commercial corridor on Lancaster that will hopefully improve over time and be a benefit, and lastly, these are nice wide blocks with parking on both sides of the street and wide sidewalks so they feel nice and inviting and there's no drama on these blocks, very quiet. Lastly, I knew we were close enough to get the meds and eds from Penn, CHOP, Drexel, etc. and that's mostly who we leased to. That's why I was comfortable going a bit ahead of where development was when I bought these. I would look outside of current development areas but not too far, and look for blocks that feel good to walk down. Wide blocks, wide sidewalks, not too desolate, not scary feeling, no drama, etc. Go there at 6pm on a nice Friday afternoon and see what it's like too.

    As far as being a GC, I ended up becoming a GC because the GC's in Philly are terrible. I hired out my first couple projects and realized I couldn't do worse blindfolded, now 60 projects later it turned out to be a great move for several reasons. First, I control quality, cost, speed, etc. Second, becoming a GC allowed me to quit my day job and go full time building my own projects as I charge my investors to GC the projects, and that allowed me to find more deals and investors much faster as being in/around RE all day every day is very helpful to scale quickly. Last thoughts on being a GC, if you have a track record, it's very encouraging for investors to partner with you as you have skin in the game and can show them previous projects you completed successfully. As I'm sure you know, finding a good GC is hard and that's taking one variable out of the development equation and puts investors at ease a bit. 

    If you have a day job in RE, I wouldn't say being a GC is necessary. It's a lot of work, you have to be on the projects every day looking for issues, watching your subs, etc. You really can't trust any of them to complete the work correctly, unfortunately, as the owners of the sub companies are rarely on site and you have to babysit their guys to make sure things are done correctly. Being a GC will take a lot of your time if you're doing it right and if you can't afford the time and already make good money elsewhere, I wouldn't go down that path unless you're passionate about construction and becoming a GC and can afford the time away from your current businesses or job. 

  • Member since 2023 · 16 posts · 2 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Troy Sheets:
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:
    Quote from @Troy Sheets:
    Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

    Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

     The 9 unit was only two lots. The lot in between would have gotten me enough square footage to utilize the green roof bonus which would have gotten me 3 additional lots on top of the 4 by right the lot allowed. As far as taxes, I suspect it will be much higher at some later date, as of now the appraised value for tax purposes is only at $1m or so. I'm not complaining and it doesn't make a difference for the next 10 years, so they can appraise it at where they like, for now! 

    @Troy Sheets how do I get started in new construction as a beginner 


     That's a broad question not knowing your background, experience, market, etc. If you have specific questions I'm happy to help. Broadly speaking, I would say network with developers in your market that are doing what you want to do. I've taken at least a dozen investors through this project at various stages and they asked a ton of questions and hopefully learned a lot. I'm always happy to help others and pass along knowledge and I'm sure you can find someone in your market that will do the same. In the meantime, ask away on here and I'll answer as best I can. 

    im an investor in Philly as well, I currently have some rentals , have done 1 fix and flip.  I also have 1 infill lot in Delaware county that I own free & clear .  Is it true that the bank would use the lot as collateral for a new construction loan @Troy Sheets

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:
    Quote from @Troy Sheets:
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:
    Quote from @Troy Sheets:
    Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

    Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

     The 9 unit was only two lots. The lot in between would have gotten me enough square footage to utilize the green roof bonus which would have gotten me 3 additional lots on top of the 4 by right the lot allowed. As far as taxes, I suspect it will be much higher at some later date, as of now the appraised value for tax purposes is only at $1m or so. I'm not complaining and it doesn't make a difference for the next 10 years, so they can appraise it at where they like, for now! 

    @Troy Sheets how do I get started in new construction as a beginner 


     That's a broad question not knowing your background, experience, market, etc. If you have specific questions I'm happy to help. Broadly speaking, I would say network with developers in your market that are doing what you want to do. I've taken at least a dozen investors through this project at various stages and they asked a ton of questions and hopefully learned a lot. I'm always happy to help others and pass along knowledge and I'm sure you can find someone in your market that will do the same. In the meantime, ask away on here and I'll answer as best I can. 

    im an investor in Philly as well, I currently have some rentals , have done 1 fix and flip.  I also have 1 infill lot in Delaware county that I own free & clear .  Is it true that the bank would use the lot as collateral for a new construction loan @Troy Sheets

    Yes, the lot value as well as any soft costs like architecture, engineering, etc. can count as well with most banks. I generally get 100% of construction funded without issue. 
  • Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia · Member since 2019 · 5 posts · 5 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Troy Sheets:
    Quote from @Zahmir Brooks-Smith:

    Wow @Troy Sheets!

    I see this big project and the "buy the block" idea fitting right in with what I imagine for West Philly. I'm an agent and investor, but I want to learn more about this kind of development. How did you go about getting the empty lots? I used to think running my property management company was the way to buy properties, but could being a General Contractor help get more investors on board?

    Hi Zahmir, nice to see another Philly investor on here! These lots were on the MLS believe it or not, they were just overlooked for whatever reason. I did get one off market by cold calling the owner and have used wholesalers and marketing to secure projects in the past. I bought these about three years ago and was ahead of the curve a bit on this area but knew from experience that this area was a good bet. They're a half block off Lancaster Ave and there are multiple trolley and bus stops in several directions. There's a huge active church on the block that looks beautiful but isn't too busy so there's plenty of parking most days and there's a big elementary school on the next block so again, plenty of parking and it looks nice. There's the commercial corridor on Lancaster that will hopefully improve over time and be a benefit, and lastly, these are nice wide blocks with parking on both sides of the street and wide sidewalks so they feel nice and inviting and there's no drama on these blocks, very quiet. Lastly, I knew we were close enough to get the meds and eds from Penn, CHOP, Drexel, etc. and that's mostly who we leased to. That's why I was comfortable going a bit ahead of where development was when I bought these. I would look outside of current development areas but not too far, and look for blocks that feel good to walk down. Wide blocks, wide sidewalks, not too desolate, not scary feeling, no drama, etc. Go there at 6pm on a nice Friday afternoon and see what it's like too.

    As far as being a GC, I ended up becoming a GC because the GC's in Philly are terrible. I hired out my first couple projects and realized I couldn't do worse blindfolded, now 60 projects later it turned out to be a great move for several reasons. First, I control quality, cost, speed, etc. Second, becoming a GC allowed me to quit my day job and go full time building my own projects as I charge my investors to GC the projects, and that allowed me to find more deals and investors much faster as being in/around RE all day every day is very helpful to scale quickly. Last thoughts on being a GC, if you have a track record, it's very encouraging for investors to partner with you as you have skin in the game and can show them previous projects you completed successfully. As I'm sure you know, finding a good GC is hard and that's taking one variable out of the development equation and puts investors at ease a bit. 

    If you have a day job in RE, I wouldn't say being a GC is necessary. It's a lot of work, you have to be on the projects every day looking for issues, watching your subs, etc. You really can't trust any of them to complete the work correctly, unfortunately, as the owners of the sub companies are rarely on site and you have to babysit their guys to make sure things are done correctly. Being a GC will take a lot of your time if you're doing it right and if you can't afford the time and already make good money elsewhere, I wouldn't go down that path unless you're passionate about construction and becoming a GC and can afford the time away from your current businesses or job. 

    Nice! Thanks for the insight! I’ve considered becoming a GC after running projects for other companies as a project manager. I tend to like the control since quality of work, speed, and my financial management methods are better than most I’ve seen from other GCs or subs. though I’m an agent, I’ll definitely seek more information for taking this direction.
  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Zahmir Brooks-Smith:
    Quote from @Troy Sheets:
    Quote from @Zahmir Brooks-Smith:

    Wow @Troy Sheets!

    I see this big project and the "buy the block" idea fitting right in with what I imagine for West Philly. I'm an agent and investor, but I want to learn more about this kind of development. How did you go about getting the empty lots? I used to think running my property management company was the way to buy properties, but could being a General Contractor help get more investors on board?

    Hi Zahmir, nice to see another Philly investor on here! These lots were on the MLS believe it or not, they were just overlooked for whatever reason. I did get one off market by cold calling the owner and have used wholesalers and marketing to secure projects in the past. I bought these about three years ago and was ahead of the curve a bit on this area but knew from experience that this area was a good bet. They're a half block off Lancaster Ave and there are multiple trolley and bus stops in several directions. There's a huge active church on the block that looks beautiful but isn't too busy so there's plenty of parking most days and there's a big elementary school on the next block so again, plenty of parking and it looks nice. There's the commercial corridor on Lancaster that will hopefully improve over time and be a benefit, and lastly, these are nice wide blocks with parking on both sides of the street and wide sidewalks so they feel nice and inviting and there's no drama on these blocks, very quiet. Lastly, I knew we were close enough to get the meds and eds from Penn, CHOP, Drexel, etc. and that's mostly who we leased to. That's why I was comfortable going a bit ahead of where development was when I bought these. I would look outside of current development areas but not too far, and look for blocks that feel good to walk down. Wide blocks, wide sidewalks, not too desolate, not scary feeling, no drama, etc. Go there at 6pm on a nice Friday afternoon and see what it's like too.

    As far as being a GC, I ended up becoming a GC because the GC's in Philly are terrible. I hired out my first couple projects and realized I couldn't do worse blindfolded, now 60 projects later it turned out to be a great move for several reasons. First, I control quality, cost, speed, etc. Second, becoming a GC allowed me to quit my day job and go full time building my own projects as I charge my investors to GC the projects, and that allowed me to find more deals and investors much faster as being in/around RE all day every day is very helpful to scale quickly. Last thoughts on being a GC, if you have a track record, it's very encouraging for investors to partner with you as you have skin in the game and can show them previous projects you completed successfully. As I'm sure you know, finding a good GC is hard and that's taking one variable out of the development equation and puts investors at ease a bit. 

    If you have a day job in RE, I wouldn't say being a GC is necessary. It's a lot of work, you have to be on the projects every day looking for issues, watching your subs, etc. You really can't trust any of them to complete the work correctly, unfortunately, as the owners of the sub companies are rarely on site and you have to babysit their guys to make sure things are done correctly. Being a GC will take a lot of your time if you're doing it right and if you can't afford the time and already make good money elsewhere, I wouldn't go down that path unless you're passionate about construction and becoming a GC and can afford the time away from your current businesses or job. 

    Nice! Thanks for the insight! I’ve considered becoming a GC after running projects for other companies as a project manager. I tend to like the control since quality of work, speed, and my financial management methods are better than most I’ve seen from other GCs or subs. though I’m an agent, I’ll definitely seek more information for taking this direction.

     It's simple enough to get your GC license in Philly and if you have the experience, you should do well running your own jobs. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2010 · 283 posts · 81 votes
    3y

    Looks great Troy.  Lets check up some time.

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Prashant P.:

    Looks great Troy.  Lets check up some time.


     Prashant, so good to hear from you! Shoot me a text and let’s catch up, it’s been years! 

  • Member since 2023 · 16 posts · 2 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Troy Sheets:
    Quote from @Philip Jackson:
    Quote from @Troy Sheets:
    Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

    Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

     The 9 unit was only two lots. The lot in between would have gotten me enough square footage to utilize the green roof bonus which would have gotten me 3 additional lots on top of the 4 by right the lot allowed. As far as taxes, I suspect it will be much higher at some later date, as of now the appraised value for tax purposes is only at $1m or so. I'm not complaining and it doesn't make a difference for the next 10 years, so they can appraise it at where they like, for now! 

    @Troy Sheets how do I get started in new construction as a beginner 


     That's a broad question not knowing your background, experience, market, etc. If you have specific questions I'm happy to help. Broadly speaking, I would say network with developers in your market that are doing what you want to do. I've taken at least a dozen investors through this project at various stages and they asked a ton of questions and hopefully learned a lot. I'm always happy to help others and pass along knowledge and I'm sure you can find someone in your market that will do the same. In the meantime, ask away on here and I'll answer as best I can. 

    @troy sheets

    What’s the cheapest way to get plans done for a lower price 

    @Troy Sheetsundefined

  • Member since 2020 · 7 posts · 4 votes
    2y

    Thanks for the insight Troy! I have a lot close to Broad and Erie and looking to build a new construction MFH. Its already zoned RM1. Would you have any recommendations on an architect? I am very early in the process, seeking designs and exploring funding options. Additionally, I would sincerely welcome any other advice you are willing to share!

  • Member since 2025 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    1y

    Hey Troy, 

    Awesome insight here! Have you ever considered making your way towards the Lancaster area or are you staying mainly in Philly?

  • Member since 2023 · 16 posts · 2 votes
    1y

    What bank/lender will let me use the equity in my land to cash out refinance towards my down payment in Philly @Troy Sheets

    • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Philip Jackson:

      What bank/lender will let me use the equity in my land to cash out refinance towards my down payment in Philly @Troy Sheets


      Start with Joe at Meridian. Sorry I can't post the actual because it's breaking a rule. 
      jtrianosky at meridianbanker dot com
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