Long Term Strategy for Real Estate Professional

Long Term Strategy for Real Estate Professional

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Hi. My wife and I are in escrow on a duplex in our city. We are both 30 and currently we both work full-time W2 jobs. I am considered a high earner and in the top tax bracket currently. Our plan is to move her to part-time next year and have her qualify for REPS. We have good friends who are taking this approach  and we understand all the requirements we need to meet, which we are confident she will be able to do. 


My first question is that can I do a cost seg next year, when she qualifies for REPS (as she doesn’t qualify now), and use that depreciation for my W2 income in the second year of us renting the property? My second question is if I take most of the deprecation on the property in the first 5 years, is it in my best interest to purchase another rental property within those 5 years? Do I need to continue repeating this process to offset my W2 and at what point do you stop? Does it make sense to take this approach if we don’t plan on owning and managing a ton of properties?

 We plan to consult a tax professional but I wanted some general thoughts and considerations prior to that meeting. Thanks!

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Dave FosterBusiness Member
Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
2y


@Joey Harris,The 1031 is designed to allow you to indefinitely defer paying tax on profit and depreciation recapture (a big big deal over time).  Think of the IRS code as a behavior incentivizer.  If you do what they want you are rewarded with lower taxes.   That's the 1031 exchange.  Our economy depends on a robust and active real estate market.  The 1031 exchange incentivizes you to keep buying and owning real estate.  And if you do it right you'll never pay the tax.  Here's how you can make it work with that 20 year plan.

1.  Any time you sell a piece of investment real estate you do a 1031 exchange which lets you use the gain for your benefit.  And doesn't diminish the depreciation benefit by making you pay it back.  Sell one and buy several.  Sell one and buy bigger.  Sell and buy a different type.  Sell and buy in a different location. The whole time you're using the tax for your benefit. This is your growth phase.

2. Sell several and buy fewer.  Sell several smaller properties and buy larger properties that can be managed.  sell LTRs and buy Vacation rentals where you and your family can enjoy as well as make income.  This is your lifestyle phase.

3. Sell and move into NNN commercial properties where the tenant pays the taxes insurance and maintenance. Buy larger MF properties that can be managed cost effectively. Buy passive Delaware statutory trusts and TIC syndications that can all be totally passive. Convert rentals into your next retirement home and convert some of the gain from tax deferred to tax free. Still using all of the deferred tax to make money for yourself. This is your passive phase.

4. Finally die - Your heirs get the property without any tax associated with it.  You don't pay it.  Your estate doesn't pay it.  They don't pay it.  It goes away.  This is your death phase (which lasts a long time.  But you won't care any way.  And your heirs will always be grateful for the tax free legacy of wealth you left Them.

Post being - Deferring tax on real estate is even more powerful than investing in a tax deferred IRA or 401K because there are several off ramps to eliminate the tax throughout your entire life - and beyond.

The 1031 Investor5137 Reviews
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  • Ty CouttsBusiness Member
    Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2022 · 467 posts · 230 votes
    2y

    Hey Joey,

    Cost Segregation and REPS: Yes, you can perform a cost segregation study once your wife qualifies for Real Estate Professional Status (REPS) and use accelerated depreciation to offset your W2 income in subsequent years of renting the property.

    Purchasing Another Property: It can be beneficial to purchase another rental property within the first 5 years to continue maximizing depreciation deductions. This strategy helps offset W2 income effectively. The decision to acquire additional properties depends on your financial goals and management capacity.

    Continuation of Strategy: Continuing to acquire properties and utilize cost segregation makes sense if you want to offset W2 income. There's no set point to stop; it depends on your investment goals and tax strategy.

    Considerations: Consult with a tax professional to tailor this strategy to your specific financial situation, investment goals, and long-term plans. They can provide personalized advice based on current tax laws and your individual circumstances.

    Please feel free to reach out to me directly if you need!

    Ty Coutts - Aslan Home Lending 544 Reviews
  • Member since 2024 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    2y
    Quote from @Ty Coutts:

    Hey Joey,

    Cost Segregation and REPS: Yes, you can perform a cost segregation study once your wife qualifies for Real Estate Professional Status (REPS) and use accelerated depreciation to offset your W2 income in subsequent years of renting the property.

    Purchasing Another Property: It can be beneficial to purchase another rental property within the first 5 years to continue maximizing depreciation deductions. This strategy helps offset W2 income effectively. The decision to acquire additional properties depends on your financial goals and management capacity.

    Continuation of Strategy: Continuing to acquire properties and utilize cost segregation makes sense if you want to offset W2 income. There's no set point to stop; it depends on your investment goals and tax strategy.

    Considerations: Consult with a tax professional to tailor this strategy to your specific financial situation, investment goals, and long-term plans. They can provide personalized advice based on current tax laws and your individual circumstances.

    Please feel free to reach out to me directly if you need!

    Thank you for the reply! It seems risky to continue to defer and eventually be stuck with the taxes on that depreciation when I would sell, I could do a 1031 exchange but will it eventually be recaptured at some point correct? I’m trying to decide on the long term (20-30 years) implication of continuing to offset my income with rental properties. 
  • Ty CouttsBusiness Member
    Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2022 · 467 posts · 230 votes
    2y

    Regarding the long-term implications of using rental properties to offset your W2 income with depreciation:

    Depreciation Recapture and Tax Planning

    Depreciation Recapture: When you sell a rental property, you'll face depreciation recapture taxes on the portion of the gain attributable to depreciation deductions taken. This is currently taxed at a higher rate (25%).

    1031 Exchange: You can use a 1031 exchange to defer paying capital gains taxes by reinvesting proceeds into another like-kind property. This strategy allows you to continue building your portfolio without immediate tax consequences.

    Long-Term Strategy Considerations
    Financial Goals: Determine your 20-30 year financial goals. Consider whether you aim to build a substantial real estate portfolio for ongoing income or diversify investments over time.

    Risk Management: Assess risks associated with property ownership, including vacancies, maintenance costs, and market fluctuations.

    Risk Management: Assess risks such as vacancies, maintenance costs, and market fluctuations associated with owning multiple properties.

    Tax Planning: Work closely with a tax professional to develop a balanced strategy that maximizes current income offset with depreciation, while planning for depreciation recapture and optimizing use of 1031 exchanges.

    Ty Coutts - Aslan Home Lending 544 Reviews
  • Basit SiddiqiBusiness Member
    Accountant · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 8k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y

    You will likely need to eventually buy another property within the 5 year mark as it is likely hard to justify spending 750 hours on one property(Duplex in a given year.

    750 hours divided by 52 weeks is about 14.5 hours a week. Will you be spending 14.5 hours on one property?

    The pro of a cost segregation study is that is accelerates the depreciation into the earlier years. The issue is that it takes away from future depreciation. You can work with an accountant to work backwards and he can guide you of how much of a house you need to buy to get your income to the lower tax bracket / 12% / 10% / 0% bracket.

  • Dave FosterBusiness Member
    Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    2y


    @Joey Harris,The 1031 is designed to allow you to indefinitely defer paying tax on profit and depreciation recapture (a big big deal over time).  Think of the IRS code as a behavior incentivizer.  If you do what they want you are rewarded with lower taxes.   That's the 1031 exchange.  Our economy depends on a robust and active real estate market.  The 1031 exchange incentivizes you to keep buying and owning real estate.  And if you do it right you'll never pay the tax.  Here's how you can make it work with that 20 year plan.

    1.  Any time you sell a piece of investment real estate you do a 1031 exchange which lets you use the gain for your benefit.  And doesn't diminish the depreciation benefit by making you pay it back.  Sell one and buy several.  Sell one and buy bigger.  Sell and buy a different type.  Sell and buy in a different location. The whole time you're using the tax for your benefit. This is your growth phase.

    2. Sell several and buy fewer.  Sell several smaller properties and buy larger properties that can be managed.  sell LTRs and buy Vacation rentals where you and your family can enjoy as well as make income.  This is your lifestyle phase.

    3. Sell and move into NNN commercial properties where the tenant pays the taxes insurance and maintenance. Buy larger MF properties that can be managed cost effectively. Buy passive Delaware statutory trusts and TIC syndications that can all be totally passive. Convert rentals into your next retirement home and convert some of the gain from tax deferred to tax free. Still using all of the deferred tax to make money for yourself. This is your passive phase.

    4. Finally die - Your heirs get the property without any tax associated with it.  You don't pay it.  Your estate doesn't pay it.  They don't pay it.  It goes away.  This is your death phase (which lasts a long time.  But you won't care any way.  And your heirs will always be grateful for the tax free legacy of wealth you left Them.

    Post being - Deferring tax on real estate is even more powerful than investing in a tax deferred IRA or 401K because there are several off ramps to eliminate the tax throughout your entire life - and beyond.

    The 1031 Investor5137 Reviews
  • Accountant · CPA Miami, FL · Member since 2022 · 192 posts · 43 votes
    2y

    @Joey Harris, hi. You've come to the right place. We are a community of real estate investors and other professionals including CPAs assisting RE investors nationwide. Most of us work remotely. Make sure to reach out via email to set up a consultation call. Best, Fulton

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