Scammed by "Estate Legal"

Scammed by "Estate Legal"

Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes

Unless someone can prove otherwise, I’m fairly certain I was just scammed out of $3,400 by a supposed “Lead Provider.” I’m sharing my story so everyone can be aware and hopefully avoid the same experience.

I received a call from one of my ads that targets probate clients. The caller, William Silva, claimed to be a salesperson for a company called “Estate Legal.” He seemed legitimate at first, and I even had a few friends look over the materials he provided. Everything checked out.

They claimed that Estate Legal helps people through the probate process—especially those with a living will or those who’ve moved into a nursing home and need to sell their house. Supposedly, they connect sellers with brokers and homebuyers in each market. They also stated they only allow three brokers and three cash homebuyer “spots” in any given area, and they only move into areas where they can guarantee at least 600 leads per year. I was told there was already one broker signed up and no cash homebuyers yet, so it seemed like a good opportunity. After doing what I felt was enough research—even though the sales pitch was a bit pushy—I decided to move forward.

Their pamphlet outlined several guarantees and provided additional details. The only slight red flag was that they only accepted payment via Venmo or wire transfer, but that's how I accepted payment when I was selling lead bundles, so I still thought it was worth a shot. So, I wired the money. After that, they sent a few messages mentioning they were working with a couple of probates and would get back to me.

To date, I haven't received anything, and my attempts to reach them have gone unanswered. I recall looking up their LLC in Florida, even though some documents mentioned California.

If you’ve had any interactions with these people, please reply below and let us know your experience. I hope this helps keep others from falling into the same trap. Hope this helps, and God bless!

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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Quote from @Christopher Johnson:

@Scott Trench - FALSE - DECEPTIVE POST - It's sad people resort to this online bullying, invasion of privacy, attacking our staff, and clearly attempts to blackmail us for $. Complaints are being filed and we are resolving the matter via the appropriate channels. Without waiving any of our contractual rights, Scott we recently emailed you and your support team. This post violates 3rd party agreements and confidentiality terms of service. Additionally, Mr. Scott Johnson is spreading false and defamatory content on this platform. He and others seem to be attempting to circumvent an agreement with us, by attempting to smear us on this platform. Mr. Scott Johnson refuses to comply with an arbitration and non disclosure agreement with us, we have offered him to enter into binding arbitration, which is required per our terms of service and agreement he signed.  We are proceeding via the appropriate process in order to address Mr. Scott's issues, via the American Arbitration Association. We want to advise you that Mr. Scott has a binding agreement with us that strictly prohibits this type of defamatory, false post, which obviously can cause confusion in the marketplace, for future and current partners. Please check your private DM and email messages and please respond there. We would appreciate the help from Bigger Pockets Support. Again, there is a non-disclosure agreement, an arbitration agreement, an agreement not to post on 3rd party sites like this, and for matters to be resolved privately in order to avoid harming anyone's image and goodwill. Please remove this post. Please direct Mr. Scott Johnson to comply with dispute resolution via the American Arbitration Association. 


BP is not the arbitrator.. SM giviths and takiths away. U guys let it get this far over 3400.00 its your fault.. even if you did something wrong.. who is going to go to arbitration for such a small amount of money.. U should revist your refund policy it really reeks of get the money and never refund any money because of your arb clause and venue clause you guys know what your doing.. So maybe think this through a little more. Instead of crying to BP.
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  • Member since 2025 · 5 posts · 0 votes
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    Zachary, and others, this is defamatory and actionable. Zachary, your response said " not sue intimidation tactics instead of resolving complaints" ... This is bizarre. We've been asking you to resolve issues, through the method you agreed to use, when you signed an agreement with us. You refuse to, but now you contradict yourself when you claim we dont want to "resolve complaints" .... We would be glad to address and resolve any issue through Arbitration through the American Arbitration Association. Why would you refuse to follow the required alternative dispute resolution process as required in the contract you signed? Just like this website most likely has terms of service, every other site has these terms. Your refusal to Arbitrate the matter, even though you contractually agreed to do so renders your position not credible and frivolous. If individuals are allowed to circumvent business agreements, what would be the need for contracts? Zachary - All of you have refused time and time again to cooperate with ADR. Are you willing to arbitrate the matter and resolve any issues (as required via agreement) through the American Arbitration Association? And if not, why not? You agreed to do that in the past. If you're not willing to go before a mediator/arbitrator, the next question is why do you refuse to take the matter before legal arbitration? You wish to circumvent that required step, which is not a fair way to do business.

    Again, We are committed to transparency, a quality experience, and helping our clients and partners achieve collaborative success. We'd like to share that this matter is being discussed in arbitration, per long-standing company policy, we will not to comment on this matter further until Arbitration is concluded.

    We hope that those reading this post will reserve judgment until this matter is concluded in Arbitration, and we are ready to share the conclusion.

    We take our reputation very seriously and are dismayed at these claims. We are more than happy to address and resolve any issue you may have in the appropriate way and forum.

    However, we will make it very clear, that these allegations are false. Again, we encourage anyone who may have any issue, to contact us to discuss possible solutions, and if applicable , initiate arbitration through the American Arbitration Association. Thank you.

    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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      Quote from @Christopher Johnson:

      Zachary, and others, this is defamatory and actionable. Zachary, your response said " not sue intimidation tactics instead of resolving complaints" ... This is bizarre. We've been asking you to resolve issues, through the method you agreed to use, when you signed an agreement with us. You refuse to, but now you contradict yourself when you claim we dont want to "resolve complaints" .... We would be glad to address and resolve any issue through Arbitration through the American Arbitration Association. Why would you refuse to follow the required alternative dispute resolution process as required in the contract you signed? Just like this website most likely has terms of service, every other site has these terms. Your refusal to Arbitrate the matter, even though you contractually agreed to do so renders your position not credible and frivolous. If individuals are allowed to circumvent business agreements, what would be the need for contracts? Zachary - All of you have refused time and time again to cooperate with ADR. Are you willing to arbitrate the matter and resolve any issues (as required via agreement) through the American Arbitration Association? And if not, why not? You agreed to do that in the past. If you're not willing to go before a mediator/arbitrator, the next question is why do you refuse to take the matter before legal arbitration? You wish to circumvent that required step, which is not a fair way to do business.

      Again, We are committed to transparency, a quality experience, and helping our clients and partners achieve collaborative success. We'd like to share that this matter is being discussed in arbitration, per long-standing company policy, we will not to comment on this matter further until Arbitration is concluded.

      We hope that those reading this post will reserve judgment until this matter is concluded in Arbitration, and we are ready to share the conclusion.

      We take our reputation very seriously and are dismayed at these claims. We are more than happy to address and resolve any issue you may have in the appropriate way and forum.

      However, we will make it very clear, that these allegations are false. Again, we encourage anyone who may have any issue, to contact us to discuss possible solutions, and if applicable , initiate arbitration through the American Arbitration Association. Thank you.


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  • JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
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    I'll say one thing - you're not doing your business any favors here by continuing the arbitration push. You have several vocal and determined customers that are unhappy with your service, and you appear to be throwing logs in their path to some kind of full/partial refund. Arbitration is either going to refuse them a refund on some technical issue in what they've signed or agreed to, or give them a partial or full refund. Why not just skip straight to the chase and do that yourself? $3400 is chicken feed in the grand scheme of things, especially for legitimate, operating businesses. I've known lots of businesses that paid people more than that just to go away happy. 

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    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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      Quote from @JD Martin:

      I'll say one thing - you're not doing your business any favors here by continuing the arbitration push. You have several vocal and determined customers that are unhappy with your service, and you appear to be throwing logs in their path to some kind of full/partial refund. Arbitration is either going to refuse them a refund on some technical issue in what they've signed or agreed to, or give them a partial or full refund. Why not just skip straight to the chase and do that yourself? $3400 is chicken feed in the grand scheme of things, especially for legitimate, operating businesses. I've known lots of businesses that paid people more than that just to go away happy. 


      agreed these guys are committing on line business suicide  JD. One has to think it was premeditated .  U have to hire the arb company and a lawyer cost more to do that than what they paid for the service so no one is going to go to arb.. YUP  pretty silly.
  • Member since 2025 · 5 posts · 0 votes
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    I represent EstateLegal. We are attempting to resolve the matter. A mediation via Arbitration is not designed as a "Trick or gotcha" as someone here attempted to claim, it's designed to get all of the facts from both sides, out, in a private way, which will not affect either business, before an independent licensed arbitrator, who will make a determination as to who is right or wrong, while seeing the full set of facts and evidence. As our policy, we will comply with that fair process. We are not hiding, not running from any issue, we wanted to inform anyone that has a valid issue, related to us, that they can resolve matters with us through the required ADR process. I'm not sure how that is "business suicide". Respectfully, Individuals commenting don't have all of the facts. Thousands of businesses use the aritration process to address and resolve issues on a daily basis. We have our own set of NDA's and outside agreements that don't allow us to fully lay out the facts on this platform prior to arbitration. Our intention is very direct and transparent.  Again, We'd like to share that this matter is being discussed in arbitration, per long-standing company policy, we will not comment in detail, on these matters further until Arbitration is concluded. 

    We hope that those reading this post will reserve judgment until this matter is concluded in Arbitration, and we are ready to share the conclusion.

    We take our reputation very seriously and are dismayed at these claims. We are more than happy to address and resolve any issue you may have in the appropriate way and forum.

    However, we will make it very clear, that these allegations are false. We encourage anyone who may have any issues, to contact us to discuss possible solutions. Thank you.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Memphis, TN · Member since 2020 · 4 posts · 7 votes
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    Thanks for the responses, everyone.

    To clarify, I have no interest in drama or back-and-forth arguments. My original post was based solely on my actual experience: I paid, received no services, was met with silence, and only once I spoke publicly did communication start—but with legal threats instead of solutions.

    I don’t need a lecture on arbitration. What I and others wanted was simple: a transparent process, clear onboarding, and proof this was a legitimate operation. We weren’t given that. Instead, we were asked to blindly trust a company that vanished after collecting payment.

    And to be clear—it’s not about the money. In business, you take risks. But when you see something going sideways, you have to act. Being an entrepreneur is hard. You have to be careful with every dollar if you’re going to scale sustainably.

    Thankfully, I’m in a place where this loss won’t wreck me. But if this were my first exposure to lead gen or investing in systems to grow, it could’ve completely derailed my real estate journey. I’m speaking up because I’m looking out for the younger version of me—and others who can’t afford to lose $3,400 and just chalk it up to experience.

    At this point, it’s not about recovering funds—it’s about the principle and accountability. If a business is legit, it doesn’t need NDAs and arbitration shields to prove it. It just delivers what it promises.

    Appreciate the support and moderation here. I’ve said my piece—and I encourage others with similar stories to do the same.

    —Zac

  • Member since 2025 · 5 posts · 0 votes
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    Zachary - We remain committed to trying to resolve any issues you may have through the  dispute resolution process you originally agreed to use. It's not about "money", this is about other issues we cannot comment on here in this forum. Thousands of businesses use Alternative Dispute Resolution, on a daily basis to correctly address, mediate, and resolve disputes when businesses or individuals don't see eye to eye. Arbitration is not a "shield", it is a process that allows everyone to present their facts, and allow an impartial licensed arbitrator to review any contractual disputes. Again, we do not comment on these matters when there is pending arbitration. We ask those who read this to reserve Judgement until we can finalize the ADR process.  We look forward to presenting our side of the facts, addressing the matter in the appropriate forum, and resolving issues in a fair way. Thanks. 

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    Well looky there! EstateLegal.com is no longer a valid web site. It never fails. When flick on the light, the roaches like @Christopher Johnson, the one signing the contracts for Estate Legal's bogus Lead Generation Services, scatter. 😂

    Another update! I'm working with the North Carolina Real Estate Commission to build awareness. Not sure how much good it will do since they're going into hiding, but I've spoken to over 20 people that they've hit, so their appetite is whetted and they'll be back for more, I'm sure, but under a new guise. Expect that @Christopher Johnson & William Silva are not their true names and they'll be changing everything so no one will know them from Tom, Dick or Harry.

    I'll be continuing efforts to identify them which includes locating them based on the IP information that I've collected. I'll be able to identify where they are, who they are and can track them much better. 

    All eyes are on you @Christopher Johnson. You got one over on us this time, but you'll get caught soon enough. 🙂

  • Adam SchneiderPro Member
    Lender · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2012 · 957 posts · 639 votes
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    @Scott Johnson Thanks for the update, Scott.

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