Scammed by "Estate Legal"

Scammed by "Estate Legal"

Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes

Unless someone can prove otherwise, I’m fairly certain I was just scammed out of $3,400 by a supposed “Lead Provider.” I’m sharing my story so everyone can be aware and hopefully avoid the same experience.

I received a call from one of my ads that targets probate clients. The caller, William Silva, claimed to be a salesperson for a company called “Estate Legal.” He seemed legitimate at first, and I even had a few friends look over the materials he provided. Everything checked out.

They claimed that Estate Legal helps people through the probate process—especially those with a living will or those who’ve moved into a nursing home and need to sell their house. Supposedly, they connect sellers with brokers and homebuyers in each market. They also stated they only allow three brokers and three cash homebuyer “spots” in any given area, and they only move into areas where they can guarantee at least 600 leads per year. I was told there was already one broker signed up and no cash homebuyers yet, so it seemed like a good opportunity. After doing what I felt was enough research—even though the sales pitch was a bit pushy—I decided to move forward.

Their pamphlet outlined several guarantees and provided additional details. The only slight red flag was that they only accepted payment via Venmo or wire transfer, but that's how I accepted payment when I was selling lead bundles, so I still thought it was worth a shot. So, I wired the money. After that, they sent a few messages mentioning they were working with a couple of probates and would get back to me.

To date, I haven't received anything, and my attempts to reach them have gone unanswered. I recall looking up their LLC in Florida, even though some documents mentioned California.

If you’ve had any interactions with these people, please reply below and let us know your experience. I hope this helps keep others from falling into the same trap. Hope this helps, and God bless!

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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Quote from @Christopher Johnson:

@Scott Trench - FALSE - DECEPTIVE POST - It's sad people resort to this online bullying, invasion of privacy, attacking our staff, and clearly attempts to blackmail us for $. Complaints are being filed and we are resolving the matter via the appropriate channels. Without waiving any of our contractual rights, Scott we recently emailed you and your support team. This post violates 3rd party agreements and confidentiality terms of service. Additionally, Mr. Scott Johnson is spreading false and defamatory content on this platform. He and others seem to be attempting to circumvent an agreement with us, by attempting to smear us on this platform. Mr. Scott Johnson refuses to comply with an arbitration and non disclosure agreement with us, we have offered him to enter into binding arbitration, which is required per our terms of service and agreement he signed.  We are proceeding via the appropriate process in order to address Mr. Scott's issues, via the American Arbitration Association. We want to advise you that Mr. Scott has a binding agreement with us that strictly prohibits this type of defamatory, false post, which obviously can cause confusion in the marketplace, for future and current partners. Please check your private DM and email messages and please respond there. We would appreciate the help from Bigger Pockets Support. Again, there is a non-disclosure agreement, an arbitration agreement, an agreement not to post on 3rd party sites like this, and for matters to be resolved privately in order to avoid harming anyone's image and goodwill. Please remove this post. Please direct Mr. Scott Johnson to comply with dispute resolution via the American Arbitration Association. 


BP is not the arbitrator.. SM giviths and takiths away. U guys let it get this far over 3400.00 its your fault.. even if you did something wrong.. who is going to go to arbitration for such a small amount of money.. U should revist your refund policy it really reeks of get the money and never refund any money because of your arb clause and venue clause you guys know what your doing.. So maybe think this through a little more. Instead of crying to BP.
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  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    To date, two BiggerPockets members have reached out to me. One paid and signed up for the aforementioned service on December 20th, and the other one has been sent the docusign and is considering signing up. 

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    PLEASE BE ADVISED

    I am in talks with Estate Legal to rectify this situation. They may be proving to me that they are, in fact, not a scam.

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    @Moderators, I'd appreciate it if you would delete this post. The situation is being rectified. 

  • Scott TrenchPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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    @Scott Johnson we typically don't delete forum posts, and I don't see a reason to make an exception here. 

    Is there some reason that you or the company simply don't discuss what happened and use this as an opportunity to turn a negative post into a positive one for the company? 

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    Fair enough. Best people stay informed anyway. I'll just post updates. 

  • Andrew SyriosPro Member
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    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    Quote from @Scott Johnson:

    @Moderators, I'd appreciate it if you would delete this post. The situation is being rectified. 


     Can you not edit the post? Just add an update at the top or bottom explaining it's being resolved?

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Quote from @Scott Trench:

    @Scott Johnson we typically don't delete forum posts, and I don't see a reason to make an exception here. 

    Is there some reason that you or the company simply don't discuss what happened and use this as an opportunity to turn a negative post into a positive one for the company? 


    sounds like someone got a nasty gram.. we see this with the syndicators that are called out then threaten the investor who called them out.. or anyone else companing about a service only to have the company either threaten or tell them if you take this down or retract we will give you your money back.. kind of like landlords lying about how great their dead beat tenant is to just get them to move on to the next landlord.  Just sayin.
  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Scott Trench:

    @Scott Johnson we typically don't delete forum posts, and I don't see a reason to make an exception here. 

    Is there some reason that you or the company simply don't discuss what happened and use this as an opportunity to turn a negative post into a positive one for the company? 


    sounds like someone got a nasty gram.. we see this with the syndicators that are called out then threaten the investor who called them out.. or anyone else companing about a service only to have the company either threaten or tell them if you take this down or retract we will give you your money back.. kind of like landlords lying about how great their dead beat tenant is to just get them to move on to the next landlord.  Just sayin.

    I was actually attempting to remove in consideration of their actually responding to me. Funny enough, though, I just received said email, but it's more eluding to the fact that's the route they may attempt to take.

    What's interesting is that I sent them the referral agreement with my signature and subsequently wired the money. Definitely a bad move on my part. I just put too much trust in them.

    To date, I have not received an agreement with their signatures (fully executed), although I've asked for it multiple times to date.

    They sent a PDF agreement for review and gave me a deadline to sign, which I believe was a Saturday. I was not sent a Docusign, so in lieu of that I amended the agreement so it stated the terms that were agreed upon and sent it in, as they have a boilerplate agreement they send out. From that point, onboarding began and the silence ensued...

    For those who have received the Docusign that was already signed by the company and moved forward from there, there may be no issue. 

    I'm sure they're legitimate company, but investors should just watch their 6 and make sure the process follows this order:

    - Docusign (fully executed)

    - Wire Money

    - Follow Up consistently

    In my situation, the company failed to send a Docusign while also setting a deadline for signing was communicated. I have a feeling it was an internal "ball drop" that turned out to be very unacceptable.

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    I did confirm that in North Carolina, per the Statute of Frauds, any agreement lasting a year or more must be express, in writing and delivered to both parties, along with consideration (which I remitted via wire). 

    As I stated above, please exercise caution and make sure fully executed documents are received prior to wiring funds.

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    I have confirmed that, due to a lack of meeting of the minds which is required for a legal contract, there is in fact no contract. 

    Remember, I sent a signed and amended the agreement on November 28th, sent it to them for signature, received confirmation of their receipt, wired funds, requested multiple times they send me the fully executed agreement, never received a fully executed copy back from them and finally was questioned by them yesterday as to why I altered the agreement (meaning there was no meeting of the minds since it's therefore proven that they didn't even look at it).

    I have rescinded my offer to enter into a contract with Estate Legal for lead generation services and am now seeking a full refund, including my cost of wiring the funds. 

    Depending on how this progresses, I may be making the North Carolina Attorney General aware of the situation.

    Hope this helps! Learning a lesson for all of us! 💪🏻 That lesson:

    DO NOT WIRE FUNDS UNTIL THERE IS A FULLY EXECUTED AGREEMENT BETWEEN PARTIES THAT CONFIRMING THERE IS AN ENFORCEABLE CONTRACT.

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    I wouldn't stand up if I knew I'd done wrong. But I know in my heart that I'm in the right.

    SPARTANS NEVER RETREAT. SPARTANS NEVER SURRENDER.

  • Adam SchneiderPro Member
    Lender · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2012 · 955 posts · 639 votes
    1y

    @Scott Johnson. Thank you for keeping everyone updated, Scott.

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    Complaint Filed with the North Carolina Attorney General today.

  • Member since 2025 · 1 post · 3 votes
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    Estate Legal USA or Estate Legal Network is definitely a scam. I was unfortunately scammed by the same William Silva. After paying the money and being ghosted for over one month, I turned in a fraud alert to BofA. BofA was not able to recuperate my money. Although William Silva ghosted me for over one month, as soon as BofA contacted his bank, he blew up my phone with nasty phone calls and texts. All of which were definitely unprofessional. The more I checked into the company, the more I could tell it is not legitimate. Hindsight is 20/20.

    Please don't fall into the same trap I did with this Estate Legal scam!!


    Jeremy and Shannon Picker.

    • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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      Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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      @Jeremy Picker I'm having the same experience. It's interesting how the emails and texts get longer and more emotional while the spelling and grammar gets worse.

      I'll be filing a fraud claim with the Federal Trade Commission. Filed an abuse complaint with their domain provider.

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    Fraud Complaint filed with the Federal Trade Commission.

    Estate Legal has CCed me on emails to the American Arbitrarion Association, stating that our contractual agreement requires us to use them for arbitration. I continue to affirm that no agreement between me and estate legal exist, as there was no meeting of the minds, which is required for a legal contract inder NC State Law.
    I furthermore had rescinded my offer to enter into said contract with them due to this lack of the meeting of the minds.

    I continue to request a full refund. 

    I attempted to file a small claims suit in my home county, but confirmed that the suit has to be filed in a county where the defendant resides. So I'll be filing it in Los Angeles County California.

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    The Federal Trade Commission watches trends in reports, they don't address single reports. If you've been in a similar situation, feel free to file a complaint with the FTC. That way there's a chance it will go on their radar.

  • Member since 2025 · 5 posts · 0 votes
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    @Scott Trench - FALSE - DECEPTIVE POST - It's sad people resort to this online bullying, invasion of privacy, attacking our staff, and clearly attempts to blackmail us for $. Complaints are being filed and we are resolving the matter via the appropriate channels. Without waiving any of our contractual rights, Scott we recently emailed you and your support team. This post violates 3rd party agreements and confidentiality terms of service. Additionally, Mr. Scott Johnson is spreading false and defamatory content on this platform. He and others seem to be attempting to circumvent an agreement with us, by attempting to smear us on this platform. Mr. Scott Johnson refuses to comply with an arbitration and non disclosure agreement with us, we have offered him to enter into binding arbitration, which is required per our terms of service and agreement he signed.  We are proceeding via the appropriate process in order to address Mr. Scott's issues, via the American Arbitration Association. We want to advise you that Mr. Scott has a binding agreement with us that strictly prohibits this type of defamatory, false post, which obviously can cause confusion in the marketplace, for future and current partners. Please check your private DM and email messages and please respond there. We would appreciate the help from Bigger Pockets Support. Again, there is a non-disclosure agreement, an arbitration agreement, an agreement not to post on 3rd party sites like this, and for matters to be resolved privately in order to avoid harming anyone's image and goodwill. Please remove this post. Please direct Mr. Scott Johnson to comply with dispute resolution via the American Arbitration Association. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Christopher Johnson:

    @Scott Trench - FALSE - DECEPTIVE POST - It's sad people resort to this online bullying, invasion of privacy, attacking our staff, and clearly attempts to blackmail us for $. Complaints are being filed and we are resolving the matter via the appropriate channels. Without waiving any of our contractual rights, Scott we recently emailed you and your support team. This post violates 3rd party agreements and confidentiality terms of service. Additionally, Mr. Scott Johnson is spreading false and defamatory content on this platform. He and others seem to be attempting to circumvent an agreement with us, by attempting to smear us on this platform. Mr. Scott Johnson refuses to comply with an arbitration and non disclosure agreement with us, we have offered him to enter into binding arbitration, which is required per our terms of service and agreement he signed.  We are proceeding via the appropriate process in order to address Mr. Scott's issues, via the American Arbitration Association. We want to advise you that Mr. Scott has a binding agreement with us that strictly prohibits this type of defamatory, false post, which obviously can cause confusion in the marketplace, for future and current partners. Please check your private DM and email messages and please respond there. We would appreciate the help from Bigger Pockets Support. Again, there is a non-disclosure agreement, an arbitration agreement, an agreement not to post on 3rd party sites like this, and for matters to be resolved privately in order to avoid harming anyone's image and goodwill. Please remove this post. Please direct Mr. Scott Johnson to comply with dispute resolution via the American Arbitration Association. 


    BP is not the arbitrator.. SM giviths and takiths away. U guys let it get this far over 3400.00 its your fault.. even if you did something wrong.. who is going to go to arbitration for such a small amount of money.. U should revist your refund policy it really reeks of get the money and never refund any money because of your arb clause and venue clause you guys know what your doing.. So maybe think this through a little more. Instead of crying to BP.
  • Scott TrenchPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    1y

    @Christopher Johnson 

    A couple of things that you should know: 

    1) We do not remove posts as a matter of course. Not even negative posts discussing our largest partners and sponsors. And not even posts where users give me and/or BiggerPockets negative feedback, no matter how much I do not like the posts, or how untruthful I personally feel them to be. Companies tend to do well when they professionally respond to negative posts, and either provide their version of events and stand their ground, or do what it takes to turn the angry poster into an ally. I have seen it backfire when companies attempt to get posts removed, including with legal threats. It seems that this risks the posts getting more attention than if they posted a simple, professional, response.

    2) We are in no position to verify the truth or falsity of the posts on this thread, and are not responsible for user-generated content. If you have issues with what's posted here, you can take it up directly with the person who posted it. 

    Somewhat unrelated, but I do not allow BiggerPockets to do business with partners who require their clients to sign agreements or otherwise agree to terms that prevent them from leaving what they feel to be honest reviews on BiggerPockets. As I see it, there is no reason to have people sign an anti-defamation agreement... because if it is truly defamation, the person doing the defaming is liable regardless of whether there was an agreement in place.

    I believe in this so strongly that I have even once confronted a large advertising client about this issue when I discovered they had language to this effect in their terms of use in the past, and asked them to change their policy, at risk of material revenue loss to our company. They changed their policy promptly.

    It seems to me that some companies could use this as a tactic to scare customers from discussing what they feel to be their version of events. 

    Last, I would like to also say that if a company WERE to sue a BiggerPockets member for defamation in a forum thread, that I would be very interested in covering the situation as a news story. I believe this would make for very interesting news coverage on our blog, YouTube channel, podcast, and social media.

    We would of course not presume to judge who is right or who is wrong in such a situation, but might follow the lawsuit, discuss facts as they unfolded, and of course share the verdict. We could even, if the story were to be of interest to the community, send a reporter to take notes in the courtroom.

    So far, we have not had the opportunity to cover such a story.

  • Adam SchneiderPro Member
    Lender · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2012 · 955 posts · 639 votes
    1y

    @Scott Johnson, @Scott Trench, @Jay Hinrichs, @Christopher Johnson

    1. Scott Trench, thank you for weighing in on your business philosophies on this one. Glad to hear.

    2. At small dollar amounts like this situation has ($3,400??), it's very unusual for a company to dig its heels in like Estate Legal is doing. 

    3. We've all had disputes. In my personal situation, I've come to believe that the juice is rarely worth the squeeze of going through small claims courts and arbitrations on small dollar matters.

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
    1y

    Fraud Claim Filed with First Citizens Bank to dispute the wire sent to Estate Legal Service's PNC Account.

    @Christopher Johnson, there is no binding contract. Please refund my $3,400.00 immediately. Thank you. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Memphis, TN · Member since 2020 · 4 posts · 7 votes
    1y

    @Scott Johnson @Jeremy Picker

    I wanted to post this as a public warning to real estate investors and wholesalers about Estate Legal Network LLC, a company that claims to provide high-quality probate leads and legal referral partnerships. Another investor has just come forward after being scammed by them, and I’m adding my experience to expose their pattern of deception.

    How They Hook Investors:

    Estate Legal Network presents itself as a high-level referral network that helps investors get probate leads directly from attorneys. They claim they have an exclusive network of lawyers who will pass along motivated seller leads in off-market probate and estate situations.

    The pitch sounds solid:

    ✅ A 12-month contract guaranteeing exclusive, high-quality leads in your area.

    ✅ Marketing & branding support to help position you as a top probate investor.

    ✅ A vetted legal network that “connects” you with estate planning attorneys who need real estate professionals to offload properties.

    ✅ Pre-screened referrals so you don’t waste time with bad leads.

    Of course, none of this actually happens.

    The Scam – Here’s What REALLY Happens:

    1️⃣ They Get Your Money and Disappear

    • You sign the contract and pay upfront (usually between $3,500 - $5,000+).

    • After payment, they stop responding or delay onboarding indefinitely.

    • Any attempts to reach your sales rep (in my case, William Silva) fail because his phone number gets disconnected immediately after payment.

    2️⃣ No Leads, No Service, Just Excuses

    • You get NO leads, NO marketing, and NO support.

    • The company dodges emails and phone calls.

    • If you do manage to get a response, they tell you it takes 12 months to fulfill the contract, stringing you along until you give up.

    3️⃣ When You Complain, They Use Legal Threats to Silence You

    • Instead of addressing concerns, they IMMEDIATELY threaten lawsuits.

    • They claim you are violating a “non-disparagement” clause (which isn’t enforceable in cases of fraud).

    • They send aggressive emails threatening to sue you for $250,000 in “liquidated damages.”

    • They claim they have the right to blacklist you from “hundreds of websites” if you speak out.

    • They try to intimidate you into arbitration instead of answering simple questions.

    Who Is Behind This?

    The following individuals have been linked to this scam:

    • William Silva – The sales rep who disappears after payment. (Phone: sevenfivefour, two seventhree, eightsixzerofour  - Disconnected after taking money.)

    • Christopher Johnson – The person sending threatening emails instead of providing proof of service.

    • Jessica Henderson, Nikki, Robin – Other names associated with the company.

    🚩 Emails they use:

    • house, referral, office, partnership, support, info, all  from the domain estatelegal.com

    they used Zelle payment structure with referral which has since been deactivated with Zelle and doesnt exist.

    🚩 Website: EstateLegal.com (Still up, but unresponsive to real inquiries.)

    Multiple Investors Have Been Scammed – Don’t Be Next!

    After sharing my experience, several other real estate investors reached out with the exact same story—they paid, got ghosted, and were met with legal threats instead of service.

    At this point, it’s clear this is an organized scam designed to target wholesalers and probate investors looking for motivated seller leads.

    🔴 DO NOT SEND THEM MONEY.

    🔴 DO NOT FALL FOR THEIR HIGH-PRESSURE SALES PITCH.

    🔴 IF YOU’VE BEEN SCAMMED, REPORT THEM.

    Legal Action Is Being Taken

    We are now:

    ✅ Submitting reports to the FTC and state attorneys general.

    ✅ Investigating their real identities and business registration.

    If you or someone you know has been affected, reach out ASAP—we’re working to shut this scam down and hold them accountable.

    Final Warning: This Is NOT a Legitimate Business

    If Estate Legal Network were a real company, they would:

    • Easily provide proof of their services.

    • Be transparent about their corporate details.

    • Not shut down payment emails immediately after receiving funds.

    • Not use intimidation tactics instead of resolving complaints.

    Scammers rely on silence. DO NOT stay quiet—share your experience, warn others, and take action.

    Let me know in the comments if you’ve had a similar experience. We are gathering more cases and moving forward aggressively.

  • Scott JohnsonBusiness Member
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    Specialist · Greenville, NC · Member since 2019 · 673 posts · 408 votes
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    @Christopher Johnson, looks like people know your game! Get ready, because we're coming.

    @Zachary Vanheyningen, this is the best description one could have hoped for! Absolutely MARVELOUS!

    I'm open to hiring a PI to hunt these guys down, if anyone would like to join me. Already filed with the FTC. If enough people come forward they'll do something, but slimey William Silva and @Christopher Johnson seem to be small potatoes. 

    They've likely done this before and those are obviously not their real names. 

  • Member since 2025 · 5 posts · 0 votes
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    Zachary, Scott, Jeremy, We have offered several times, to each of you, to resolve any issues through Arbitration through the American Arbitration Association. All of you have refused.

    We are committed to transparency, a quality experience, and helping our clients and partners achieve collaborative success. We'd like to share that this matter is being discussed in arbitration, per long standing company policy, we will not to comment on this matter until Arbitration is concluded. 

    We hope that those reading this post will reserve judgment until this matter is concluded in Arbitration, and we are ready to share the conclusion.

    We take our reputation very seriously and are dismayed at these claims. We are more than happy to address and resolve any issue you may have in the appropriate way and forum. 

    However, we will make it very clear, that these allegations are false. Again, we encourage anyone who may have any issue, to contact us to discuss possible solutions, and if applicable , initiate arbitration through the American Arbitration Association. Thank you. EstateLegal.com

    • Rene HosmanPro Member
      Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2024 · 583 posts · 653 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Christopher Johnson:

      Zachary, Scott, Jeremy, We have offered several times, to each of you, to resolve any issues through Arbitration through the American Arbitration Association. All of you have refused.

      We are committed to transparency, a quality experience, and helping our clients and partners achieve collaborative success. We'd like to share that this matter is being discussed in arbitration, per long standing company policy, we will not to comment on this matter until Arbitration is concluded. 

      We hope that those reading this post will reserve judgment until this matter is concluded in Arbitration, and we are ready to share the conclusion.

      We take our reputation very seriously and are dismayed at these claims. We are more than happy to address and resolve any issue you may have in the appropriate way and forum. 

      However, we will make it very clear, that these allegations are false. Again, we encourage anyone who may have any issue, to contact us to discuss possible solutions, and if applicable , initiate arbitration through the American Arbitration Association. Thank you. EstateLegal.com


       I will remind you of the rules here on the forums which can be found here " F - You Must Disclose Your Relationship with any Company, Website, Guru, or Other Entity that You Comment About.

      If you participate in a discussion about a company, website, guru, coaching program, etc., and have any kind of relationship with that entity (e.g. affiliate, partnership, employee, owner), you must disclose this relationship in your post."

      I'm asking for clarification are you a representative of Estate Legal? If so please disclose in your posts and on your profile.

      If you are a representative of Estate Legal, the way that you have responded to this post on the defensive, threatening legal action, and have provided no evidence to the contrary is very telling of how this business is run.

      BiggerPockets
  • Shiloh LundahlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    @Christopher Johnson I have no dog in this fight, however, I have read through several threads on BiggerPockets over the years and have seen similar things play out. If you are unfamiliar, you may want to read the threads about Clayton Morris or Morrisinvest. As that saga unfolded, let's just say Clayton decided to move out of the country to Portugal for whatever reason. And we'll say "moved" because "fled" sounds bad.

    If, in fact, you have a contract with @Scott Johnson how has the company done with their performance? Have they provided the good leads that were stated that they would provide? The easiest way for a company to defend their reputation is to provide the services that they were paid to provide. 

    There have been several people who have made posts on BiggerPockets accusing companies of being a scam. Then the company responds to the post with their receipts of fulfilling with their services which ultimately makes the accuser look foolish. Additionally, reputable companies usually have other reputable customers who will speak up on the reputable company's behalf. 

    So rather than spend a lot of time focusing on arbitration or trying to get this post removed, since it has been a couple of months, surly there should be some receipts of good leads sent. Just provide evidence of those leads that were sent.

    Also, another way of defending your company and establishing your credibility would be to ask some of your clients who have been successful using your services who have had accounts on BiggerPockests for months or years to share their experience with the company. Of course these people should have accounts on BiggerPockets that are older than this thread and they should have other posts on BiggerPockets, otherwise they will look like fake accounts. Surely with over a million members and posters on BiggerPockets you should be able to find a few people who can speak positively on your company's behalf.

    I am eagerly waiting to see how this unravels. And if it starts to look really bad, well, I hear the house next to Clayton Morris is up for sale. Boa sorte (that's good luck in portuguese in case you want to get a head start with the language).

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