How would you buy this? Best creative purchase scenario wins pt2!

How would you buy this? Best creative purchase scenario wins pt2!

Investor 路 Lakeland, FL 路 Member since 2015 路 344 posts 路 606 votes

Welcome to the 2nd annual Hunger Games!! (Meaning that we all are hungry for success... There will be no killing here)

Due to the success of the first game and multiple requests for a round 2, well... Here we go!!

Again, here's the game: I'm going to give you a real life scenario from one of my deals and see how you would purchase it. Best scenario as determined by votes wins the coveted Super-Duper Supreme Real Investor Grand Poobah award!! (I don't think @Joshua D. has gotten on this yet so there is a backlog but that makes it all the more valuable)

If you want I'll tell you at the end how I did buy it. Very likely your scenario will be better, But just like the lottery the only chance at winning happens if you play.

So here goes... Using a foreclosure search like the one @Tangie Cousins offers at foreclosuresdaily (no I am not at all associated with her service but I'm giving you specifics of what I use for your benefit), I stumble across this gem. (Am I being facetious? You decide)

This property was a built in 1925 4 bedroom frame "Florida cracker" house, with a 2 story garage duplex on the same lot. (Apparently, this was a popular thing for this area which was a stop off point between Tampa and Orlando. People would build the apt first and live in it while they built the main house, then when they moved into the "big house" they would rent out the units to travelers going through town. A personal motel, if you will)

Well, this property had been derilect for awhile, and was now in foreclosure. There was a 49k seller financed mortgage that was now in foreclosure.

The property had amassed over 77k in code enforcement liens at $100 per day and growing to the point the city had voted and passed the recommendation to demolish the structure and was going through the process.

Also the owner was in chapter 13 bankruptcy.

The only positive is that it passed my tax assessed test. If the mtg amount listed in the foreclosure complaint was less than the assessed value, then I would personally knock on the door as this almost always guaranteed good equity.

One more wrinkle, good or bad, you decide. The D.O.T. is planning a highway bypass right through the middle of town. This property is right in the path of progress.

So is this a deal? And if so, how should we proceed?

Annnnnd Go!!

P.S. Ok, since we all know that part of making good strategy is asking questions, feel free to ask any questions and I will try to give you all the details... And again, if I don't remember... I'll fake it!!

P.S.S.  Remember, most votes wins, so please read through all the submissions and vote for the ones you like!!!  Show them some love!!

P.S.S.S. Anymore s's and it may start sounding vulgar..  But more importantly, big shout out to @Terry Free who is the inspiration for this fun thread.

Hope you have fun!!

@Brian Gibbons @Brian Saeger @Joe Fairless @Wes Eaves @Charlie Fitzgerald @Normay Borgelin @Robert G. @Benjamin Pekarek @Dessiree Fermin @Mark Elliott @Jay Hinrichs @Account Closed 

Hey you guys, please chime in... Or at least vote for your favorite idea!!

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Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator 路 Springfield, MO 路 Member since 2009 路 21k+ posts 路 12k+ votes
10y

Buy the note for 20-25K, sit back and enjoy the ride, an equity note in FL goes back to the note holder, the highway dept will have to clear the mortgage. Liens are cleared under eminent domain. The city will fold to the highway dept.  Bankruptcy, holds the wolves away until it is discharged, 13 won't cram the note down, if it was properly secured.  Easy money! :)

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  • Houston, TX 路 Member since 2015 路 98 posts 路 24 votes
    10y

    great story on problem solving for profit and how you created win/win situations for all involved. 

  • Pelham, NC 路 Member since 2015 路 160 posts 路 54 votes
    10y

    @David Dey

    Wow! That's what I call working a deal! Congratulations!

  • Investor 路 Orange County, CA 路 Member since 2015 路 2k+ posts 路 3k+ votes
    10y

    I enjoyed and learned a bunch from everybody's solutions, so hanks ... sorry for not playing this round, and for potentially being a party pooper with this comment, but I agree with Manny, I would not want to own a cracker jack box in the ghetto for any amount of time for just about any price. Since it would be a highly speculative investment on an asset I don't really want to own, the only way I would've structured this deal is via an option ... but then I couldn't figure how to keep the demo crew away and even then a year or more for DOT (maybe) is still too speculative for me even for an option. It may not be a creative solution, but sometimes the best way to win the hunger games is to not play the hunger games :)

  • Flipper 路 Poconos, PA 路 Member since 2015 路 198 posts 路 42 votes
    10y

    Absolutely awesome. Love this stuff. Great job @David Dey 

  • Real Estate Agent 路 Winter haven, FL 路 Member since 2011 路 572 posts 路 336 votes
    10y

    @David Dey I want a cracker house and I want it now!!! Great Job we need talk more about this Lien whisperer of yours...

  • Flipper 路 Calgary, Alberta 路 Member since 2015 路 99 posts 路 15 votes
    10y

    Thanks for tagging me @David Dey. Lots of learning information on here!

  • Waterville, ME 路 Member since 2015 路 269 posts 路 53 votes
    10y

    Interesting @David Dey thanks for inviting me in on this. :D I love to see how others wheel and deal. 

  • Investor 路 Lakeland, FL 路 Member since 2015 路 344 posts 路 606 votes
    10y

    @Annette A. @Jett Rao @Manny Cirino @John C S. @David Faulkner @Jay Johnson @Alec McCullough @Account Closed 

    Thank you for your kind words.  Make sure you peek through the others who offered ideas on how to resolve the situation.  There were some that I thought may have been at least as effective and a couple that may have been more so.

    Either way, the idea is for us all to stretch our brains and problem solving skills so we all get better at it. 

    And of course to see that there are soooo many ways to skin the cat!!  (Man PETA is really gonna be on my case after all)

  • Investor 路 Boulder, CO 路 Member since 2015 路 137 posts 路 36 votes
    10y

    Since there is no magic template for every property and your detailed analysis violated about 6 of my business model 'must haves' - my strategy is (drum roll ##### plz) to walk away and make money somewhere else. That is success.

  • Investor 路 Lakeland, FL 路 Member since 2015 路 344 posts 路 606 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Bill Florence:

    Since there is no magic template for every property and your detailed analysis violated about 6 of my business model 'must haves' - my strategy is (drum roll ##### plz) to walk away and make money somewhere else. That is success.

     No argument there.  You have to follow your specific criteria.  

    However, that is the beauty of an open problem solver.  No competition!!  馃槣

    99% of the other investors would have passed on the deal, frankly no one did go after the deal but me.  

    And the profits speak for themselves.

    That being said, let me clarify, I am not calling you someone who doesn't solve problems.  If you get deals done consistently you obviously do.

    I just meant that you have specific guidelines to your criteria as to which problems you are willing to solve.

  • Investor 路 San Jose, CA 路 Member since 2012 路 2k+ posts 路 3k+ votes
    10y

    @David Dey,

    Master @Bill Gulley got this one figured out pretty good. So far, it seems like your strategy has been buying out the 1st lien-holder at a discount. Once you got the big stick in hand, you nicely asked the junior lienors to settle or get nothing if you proceeded with the foreclosure. 

    @David Faulkner, I hear ya on the risk/reward. I guess it was a calculated bet on David Dey's play. The property was cash-flowing and could more than service its own private debt while David was waiting for the DOT to show up and pay him off.

    Everyone has his/her own niche. One just has to figure out his/her own niche and reap the rewards. Mine is a little different. 

    My partner and I buy buildings with a brick foundation, which banks don't lend on. This is CA where we are prone to earthquake. Brick foundation is brittle and has no anchor bolts. We obtain a 75% LTV bridge loan and buy earthquake insurance on it. Of course, we have to provide a personal guarantee. We upgrade it to new concrete foundation with anchor bolts, cash-out refi, pay-off the bridge lender and walkaway with most of our equity. Rinse and repeat. You can say we do what others don't. :>)

  • Investor 路 Cleveland, OH 路 Member since 2015 路 6k+ posts 路 2k+ votes
    10y

    @Bill Florence, your "success" in walking away from potential profit is the very reason why @David Dey wins! Cheers...

  • Flipper 路 Poconos, PA 路 Member since 2015 路 198 posts 路 42 votes
    10y

    @David Dey Thank you for inviting me to this post. I look foward to hearing more from you. Great job again.

  • Real Estate Transaction Engineer 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2014 路 271 posts 路 74 votes
    10y

    @David DeyThanks for the scenario and the actual progress through this very lucrative deal.

    It was easy to see how real estate investors have to be good at chess, develop a plan of attack, know how to play poker, and make the most of a situation. All while minimizing the liability and maximizing the benefit. 97.9% of investors would have walked from the deal with the amount of hurdles to overcome. So, I guess an REI has to be a track star, too.

  • Investor 路 Lakeland, FL 路 Member since 2015 路 344 posts 路 606 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @John Hamilton:

    @David DeyThanks for the scenario and the actual progress through this very lucrative deal.

    It was easy to see how real estate investors have to be good at chess, develop a plan of attack, know how to play poker, and make the most of a situation. All while minimizing the liability and maximizing the benefit. 97.9% of investors would have walked from the deal with the amount of hurdles to overcome. So, I guess an REI has to be a track star, too.

     It's true John.  And btw, did you know that 82.6% of all statistics are made up right there on the spot?

  • Real Estate Transaction Engineer 路 Jacksonville, FL 路 Member since 2014 路 271 posts 路 74 votes
    10y

    Exactly! How do you think I came up with mine :)

  • Fort Lauderdale, FL 路 Member since 2015 路 45 posts 路 6 votes
    10y

    @David Dey 

    Just when I am thinking that I am learning something, you pulled out this scenario out of your hat :)

    Thank you  for tagging me (ready for the next  one), I enjoyed the reading  and I hope that one day I can play with the big boys AND girls on your Hunger Games!!!

  • Real Estate Coach 路 New Zealand / USA 路 Member since 2014 路 296 posts 路 82 votes
    10y

    @David Dey - Amazing piece of work and makes a change to have a bit of fun on the forums. I had to come back to read this (busy sorting through the 49,000 name Tax Lien list - need to delegate that next time around) but it was well worth it.

    Some really excellent thought processes throughout the post, some clever idea's and strategies that could easily be applied to other scenarios.

    Always so easy to walk away from these problem properties and situations, but so much more rewarding to work through them a "bite" at a time!

    Another one in the pipeline soon I hope?

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