The Rise (and Fall) of the Snowflake Investor

The Rise (and Fall) of the Snowflake Investor

Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes

The Snowflake Investor is a problem, mainly to himself or herself. The Snowflake Investor gets so emotionally attached to a deal that they can't see the forest for the trees. And just so BP doesn't break again, yes, we have all done this. It's not a personal slight on anyone who gets emotionally invested in a deal. I have done it WAY too many times, but it is very bad for your future profit margin. Caring about a deal is not becoming obsessed with it and we all know what happens when we obsess on a single deal. We overpay, we undercompensate, we overgive, and eventually, we lose money that we should have earned.

But the Snowflake Investor also only wants to hear yes to everything. They want continued back pats and compliments to make them feel good about their real estate decisions even though they aren't based on sound logic and correct statistical analysis. The Snowflake Investor just wants positive feedback and participation trophies, but real estate as a whole is not that kind. It will wait for a market downturn and break your 3rd place trophy over it's shrinking profit margins.

The Snowflake Investor thinks everyone can be a real estate investor, and also right now. It's just money to buy real estate. It doesn't take any skill or advanced knowledge. You just think about if you are willing to pay it and if you are, you are a real estate investor. The Snowflake Investor is not limited to new or old investors but thinks that they know better than both no matter the experience level and is never open to dialogue about the deal or business that could disprove their theory.

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I was once a Snowflake Investor. I partnered with a flipper many years ago. I was the money, they were the design and work. We would split the profits. Really, I thought they were cool and I wanted to be more like them so I just went in. Every disaster that followed was all my fault and every time someone else tried to warn me, I went off telling them I knew what I was doing and they didn't understand. They ended up using the LLC credit card to go to the spa, take their kids out to eat, etc. Instead of facing the facts that I made all the bad decisions to work with them because I wanted to do what they did, I went to a lawyer. Because I was a snowflake. I wanted to sue them for stealing, which they were, but it's because I had no process and wasn't watching. I was just going around telling everyone I was flipping like a douche.

I thought I was different and unique. I thought since I was the money in the deal I was entitled to make decisions and act like I knew everything when I did not at all. Every time there was something I didn't like or someone warned me, I reacted emotionally, trying to protect my deal that was all my decision and all my fault. Someone would say a word about the flipper or one tile and I was offended. I could not listen to anyone else.

Somehow, I escaped from the sale breaking even. That was a miracle. I was way too emotionally invested in the deal. We all become the Snowflake Investor, but we need someone in our investor circle to knock the ice off of us and wake us up. Check yourself on all those deals you won't let go of because you might just become a Snowflake Investor and it won't be a pretty exit.

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Note: Snowflake is a 2010s derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are overly-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions.

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Rental Property Investor · Brooke Park Drive · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
6y

⚠️ WARNING ⚠️ 

Anyone who responds to this will be accused of being a snowflake

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  • Rental Property Investor · Brooke Park Drive · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    ⚠️ WARNING ⚠️ 

    Anyone who responds to this will be accused of being a snowflake

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    6y

    well you cant learn to ride the bike without skinning some knees..

    your talking about rehab construction and contractors.. any and I mean anyone doing any volume has had contractors / vendors take advantage of them or flat out steal.. bottom line.. and were it gets even more risky is those with no experience trying to do it from 1000 miles away.. they are not snowflakes by your definition they have just bought into the hype of what is soup de jour .. can it work out OK sure it does all the time can it be a dumpster fire SURE happens all the time. Nature of the business. 

  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    @Jay Hinrichs yeah of course. My snowflake ride wasn't the only example. I just did it all wrong and continually insisted I was right about everything and wouldn't listen to advice. I think that is really the dynamic of the snowflake investor - wants feedback, but only feedback that suits his or her vision. You see it in the forums a lot. I want to learn, but not if you tell me what I am doing is wrong. We've all done it, but if people can take a birds-eye view early and trust a friend or advisor, they can avoid a lot of the mistakes that we all made along the way.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jonathan Greene:

    @Jay Hinrichs yeah of course. My snowflake ride wasn't the only example. I just did it all wrong and continually insisted I was right about everything and wouldn't listen to advice. I think that is really the dynamic of the snowflake investor - wants feedback, but only feedback that suits his or her vision. You see it in the forums a lot. I want to learn, but not if you tell me what I am doing is wrong. We've all done it, but if people can take a birds-eye view early and trust a friend or advisor, they can avoid a lot of the mistakes that we all made along the way.

    WEll these investors can pay the gurus 20 to 50k to learn how to do it right..  its why the guru programs exist..   fast track to doing it right. 

    you have a HUGE gap between hey I am going to go buy me a rental that is rent ready either through some provider or off of MLS and HEY I am going to buy a property that needs extensive renovation before we can get it rent ready.. the two are so far different so in my mind cant lump that active rehab investor into the vanilla BP I am getting my first rental or my 3rd rental investor..

    One makes mistakes or gets taken advantage of by contractors.. Happens to all of us myself included..  and you have rental investors primarily from the coasts  or Denver type markets were they seek out 100k rental props .. and of course to the locals they are over paying to them they are fine paying what they are paying because in their mind the numbers still work better than in their home markets.. were the disconnect comes is long distance land lording can be difficult or frustrating for newbies.. who don't really know what they don't know.. 

    And what they don't know is how neighborhoods and tenant base radically change the out comes.  

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    6y

    But the real question is- Is the snowflake also a bro and what is that probability?  

    What's up with starting threads on bros and snowflakes?  We can choose not to respond to their postings and let them learn the hard way.  

    I will try to aid the humble with a profile pic, snowflake or bro. Thank you for reading.  This may be stupid, but...  

    I will ignore the entitied with no pic. I have a question. Nah. We don't owe you nothing.  Say thanks for reading or at least hi. 

    Entitled and a pic?  Flip a coin.  Depends if they provided some background or not. Some are so ridiculous it's just fun to see what they say.  

    Either way, if they post and ghost, I will not contribute.  Engage with the responses and aid you are receiving already.   

    My basic ROE, rules of engagement after gathering dust on here a few years.  Whether people are a snowflake or bro or not does not disrupt my nap schedule either way. 

  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    @Steve Vaughan was that a riddle? If so, my answer is 7 and the doctor was the mom.

  • Rental Property Investor · Allentown PA, United States · Member since 2016 · 567 posts · 442 votes
    6y

    @Jonathan Greene lol complain all you want but nobody’s buying your coaching services by trying to sound like a pseudo expert while putting down others

  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    @Bill Goodland haha, I never, ever have anything to sell nor have I ever tried to on BP. My coaching is not for REI and never has been. I used to be a retail real estate coach. That's what everyone else is doing on here. I forgot, Bros don't research. I am not a pseudo-expert, my track record can be verified and researched. Sweet post though.

  • Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    Im a broflake investor, now I know what I need to do.  Thanks!

  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    @David Pham I actually think that's a Florida soft-serve ice cream. Not sure how it tastes, but I have a feeling it is simultaneously full of itself and very touchy to criticism of its flavor.

  • Rental Property Investor · Allentown PA, United States · Member since 2016 · 567 posts · 442 votes
    6y

    @Jonathan Greene “bro’s don’t research” ? Lol all it takes is clicking on a profile to see that you’re advertising the fact that you’re a coach regardless of if you explicitly offer it on the forums. For someone that’s clearly trying to make themselves seem like an authority figure, the petty name calling and talking down to others seems pretty childish and it seems like many would agree

  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    @Bill Goodland the fact that I am a coach has nothing to do with whether I am looking for clients. I am not. I don't coach REI and I used to coach RE on-market. I've never once messaged anyone.

    JUST SO IT'S CLEAR FOR THE LAST TIME - I DO NOT WANT ANY BUSINESS FROM BP NOR HAVE I EVER SOUGHT ANY. I answer like 20 messages a day with advice and never ask for anything.

    This is peak Bro, again. I don't need clients. I don't need or want anyone's money from BP. I am an agent, investor, coach, those are my jobs. Filling out a profile is not trolling for anything. This is what Bro thought does to you. You put your name on a forum, you want business. Why wouldn't I put my bio on the site?

    You are hilarious. I have never called anyone a name. Bro is a fictional satire dialogue and so is snowflake. When people respond in a tizzy, they call themselves the name. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @David Pham

    BROFLAKE? LOL LOL LOL good one!

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Jonathan Greene love the posting title!

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