1st Bad Deal Gone Good

1st Bad Deal Gone Good

Rental Property Investor · Chicago · Member since 2018 · 74 posts · 67 votes

Hello Everyone,

I had a few people request an update on my progress with my first RE investment. For those who don’t know, of my past struggles, I’ll provide a not so quick recap.

On October 2018 I closed on my first rental property. I was so excited, I studied real estate for one year before pulling the trigger. Little did I know that no amount of reading, or podcast listening could prepare me for the real-life struggles of real estate investing. Don’t get me wrong, studying helped me mitigate some risk and learn some strategies that saved my butt. I am just saying there is no comparison to real life experiences. How does the saying go, “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” I found myself getting hit with several jabs and an uppercut.

I acquired the property for 55k, I used an FHA 203k loan which had a rehab budget of 120K. My interest rate was 5.7%, (yeah I know, pretty high compared to now). This was a duplex in a C- area. My plan was to complete the rehab in 6 months, move into the property and rent out the top unit, having it pay for most of my mortgage. Then I would refi, drop the mortgage payment interest & PMI. I would live there for about 2 to 3 years then move out and rent my unit out. I guess you can say that I accomplished these goals, but I took one hell of a beating along the way.

I have a family member who was a real estate agent. I originally was going to invest in Michigan, but she convinced me to invest in Chicago because of her promises to help me every step of the way. She even had a contractor in line that could get the project done for super cheap. As we all know the cheapest contractor is rarely ever the best contractor. I’ll also add that I lived 2 hours away at this time and requested a transfer from my job because I was expecting the project to be completed within 6-8 months. I mean this was a full gut rehab of a building that had been vacant since 2008.

We ran into issues right out of the gate. After we closed and the check was cut to my agent (family member), the communication stopped. So much for the help through the entire process. The contactor and architect were butting heads and it took 4 months to get the plans submitted to the city. It took another 4 months for them to get approved. I wanted to drop the contactor because I noticed so many red flags, but I was afraid because I lost my lifeline. Not to mention that my HUD consultant had already released 2 draws worth over 20k to the guy. The consultant situation is a whole other story that I will have to get into later.

After plans got approved there was still no progress, so I decided to put my foot down. Unfortunately, I stepped on a rusty nail, barefoot. I let my contactor know I need to see progress, or I would have to look for someone else. After that conversation the contractor cut off all communication. He did not respond to my calls, text or emails. I tried calling him on my wife’s phone and he answered. It was at this point where I realized I was in trouble.

Here I am with a $175,000 mortgage while still having to pay rent at the apartment that I was staying at which was 2 hours away with no contractor and no plan. To make matters worse, I discovered that the contractor ripped off his sub who did the work and disappeared on him too. He ripped up the basement floor because he was stated he was going to put drain tile but never did. He also left a crap tone of debris in the back yard which caused the city to fine me $7000. The last thing you want to get is a City of Chicago fine, you would be better off with a bullet in your butt cheek instead of a Chicago property fine.

The next few months were perhaps the hardest month of my life, and I played D1 football. This situation had me sick to my stomach, I couldn’t sleep, I couldn’t eat, and I would wake up in the middle of the night in a panic. After a few days I realized that that I had to take drastic action to prevent my family from facing financial ruin.

My first step was to find a new contractor which meant driving 4 hours every weekend to the property to meet with different contractors. I had to stop double paying for housing, so I found a job in Chicago and moved in with my in-laws. Living with five family members in a two-bedroom house wasn’t the most fun experience of my life, but I made a sacrifice to achieve my goal. Finally, I had to find a way to come up with additional funds to get the project completed, meaning I had to take out a 25k loan.

After months of failed inspections and additional cost we got the project done. I won my hearing with the city, so I didn’t have to pay the $7000 fine. We moved into the 1st floor unit and rented out the top unit. As you can imagine, that first rent check felt so good, I wanted to frame it and put it on my wall. I refinanced and found out we that the had a decent amount of equity in the property. After all our hard work, and 1.5 years of struggling, we are now officially living rent free! This goes to show that you should never give up, when the deal gets tough, if it still makes sense, fight hard and make sacrifices and it will all pay off. Now its on to the next one.

Link to the before and after photos here

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
5y

alls well that ends well !! BRRR remote is one of the absolute riskiest things an investor can do.. a lot of folks pull it off but many dont and you never hear from those folks.. its crickets when their core 4 cream team failed them :)

keep at it.. I know the city of chi is one tough jurisdiction thats for sure.

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y

    alls well that ends well !! BRRR remote is one of the absolute riskiest things an investor can do.. a lot of folks pull it off but many dont and you never hear from those folks.. its crickets when their core 4 cream team failed them :)

    keep at it.. I know the city of chi is one tough jurisdiction thats for sure.

  • Licensed Realtor & Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2015 · 164 posts · 124 votes
    5y

    @Soniel Estime What a hell of a ride! Well congrats on having the guts to stick with it and ultimately turn it into a positive. Most people would have simply given up and taken the L! The other benefit of what you endured was the HUGE learning experience. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned no amount of education, books, podcasts, etc. can substitute for real world experience. Its easy to read a few books, listen to some podcasts, watch some YouTube videos and then think because you understand the concepts you will be able to seamlessly apply them... it's a completely different thing to put all of the concepts and education to practice. Best of luck with your continued success! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago · Member since 2018 · 74 posts · 67 votes
    5y

    @Jay Hinrichs

    Thanks Jay, I am actually getting ready to sell. The market is really hot and we are getting over asking price. I am very sad to see this investment go after all the hard work but I am grateful for the experience.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago · Member since 2018 · 74 posts · 67 votes
    5y

    @Bradley Sriro

    Thanks Brandley, it was really tough but you know what they say. “What don’t kill you makes your stronger” and I definitely got better after that experience. Now I can go into the next deal a little more prepared.

  • Joe S.Pro Member
    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    Wow that is an amazing story! You probably did one of your toughest deals out of the gate. Hopefully the other deals you do will be a walk in the park compared to this one.

  • Investor · Rochester, NY · Member since 2017 · 8 posts · 19 votes
    5y

    Wow!!! you definitely had a huge challenge, which helped you to have no choice but to figure out another plan. This post was definitely good to show others that it is possible that even though you faced some challenges that you can still come out of it much stronger. Most people give up when things get difficult but you showed that even though it was hard you were strong enough to overcome any challenge that came your way. Thank you so much for sharing this :)

  • Investor · USA · Member since 2015 · 325 posts · 447 votes
    5y

    @Soniel Estime

    Dude, this reminds me of so many deals I have done, especially in the beginning.

    I had one, years ago that I thought would break me. I told myself “kai you will never be the same”. Years have gone by and really I feel like it was just a distant memory that is in the rear view mirror.

    Those times really put life into perspective of what you want and what makes you tick. Now, I use very few subs and represent myself. There is zero drama.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago · Member since 2018 · 74 posts · 67 votes
    5y

    @Kai Van Leuven

    Kia,

    I had a journal I was writing in every week and it is funny when I look back at it because throughout the journal no matter what was going on I always ended the explanation of my way with “I won’t give up, I can do it”, I’m glad I was writing down my exact thoughts and feelings during that time. I am definitely grateful for experiences like this because it makes you appreciate things more.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago · Member since 2018 · 74 posts · 67 votes
    5y

    @Brandie Lynn

    Brandie,

    Thanks for the kind words, I believe everyone can be successful if they keep pushing through the tough times. Adversity is what makes us stronger.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago · Member since 2018 · 74 posts · 67 votes
    5y

    @Joe S.

    I hope my future deals are much easier, my wife’s heart can’t take another deal like this lol.

  • New to Real Estate · South Jersey · Member since 2020 · 13 posts · 3 votes
    5y

    @Soniel Estime Holy cow! What a ride. Congratulations on an awesome job. They say that if you have to struggle it means so much more when you are victorious - that's why everyone roots for the underdog. Thanks for sharing.

  • Marc RiceBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Soniel Estime

    Congrats! I’ve always heard 203k loans are nightmares with the consultants and draws, let alone getting a contractor to concede to the paperwork.

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  • Jonathan KlemmBusiness Member
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    Contractor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    @Soniel Estime - Thank you so much for sharing your story.  Putting yourself out there is tough and most people wouldn't.  

    The good news is, your last project is always your worst project and your next one is always the best.  

    It sounds like you've been able to look at this the right way and learn from your experience.  Learning real estate can be expensive, but if you keep pushing through it will pay you back tenfold.

    If there is anything I can do to help let me know.  

  • Member since 2019 · 113 posts · 25 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Soniel Estime:

    @Jay Hinrichs

    Thanks Jay, I am actually getting ready to sell. The market is really hot and we are getting over asking price. I am very sad to see this investment go after all the hard work but I am grateful for the experience.

     Soniel, the sad part of the story is your family member did not help you along the way. I am expecting contractors to be a douchebag, but I cannot forgive my family member failed to deliver what he/she promised. Now, because your family member's short sight decision, he/she will never get any business from you again. Never. 

  • Member since 2020 · 1 post · 0 votes
    5y

    Amazing story. Congrats on pulling through!

  • New to Real Estate · Madison, WI · Member since 2020 · 68 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    @Soniel Estime hey there, I’ve said before that I loved your story of trials and triumph.  Wondering if you can share more stats on the property like square footage, unit size and what your cash flow was like.  I’m trying to do a 203k right now and I haven’t yet closed.  Trying to get the contractor to put the bid in the format that will be acceptable to the lender is like trying to herd cats.  But one thing that is freaking me out is the consultant’s accounting of the work that needs to be done is considerably higher than the contractor.  My pretty good deal is slipping away before my eyes.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago · Member since 2018 · 74 posts · 67 votes
    5y

    @Jennifer Torino

    Absolutely,

    Unit 1: 1200 square feet. (2 bed 1 bath)

    Unit 2: 1200 square feet. (3 bed 1 bath)

    Basement: 1200 square feet.

    Mortgage after Refi: $1184 (taxes and insurance included)

    Rent: $1000 (Market rent closer to $1300)

    Negotiated price due to personally knowing renter and they keep property clean and pay for small maintenance items.

    If I was in your position I would listen to my consultant bc my consultant told me my newly built back porch would be closer to 20k while my old contractor told me he could do it for 10k. Sometimes it’s better to lose a deal and save you time and money then to get into a deal where you were way under bidded. How have things been, I would love to hear an update.

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