DSCR expert lenders , 2 lease contracts in a SFH ?

DSCR expert lenders , 2 lease contracts in a SFH ?

Member since 2020 · 37 posts · 24 votes

I'm buying a 2000 sqf SFH, corner lot with 2 entrances , 3 bed 3 bath, I was planning to make a 4th bedroom, and add a second kitchen and rent the 2 unites, my insurance will cover both tenants and the property even is used as a multi family even if it is a SFH. I'm planning to cash out refinance in 3 months with a DSCR LOAN. WOULD THE LENDER TAKE BOTH RENTAL AGREEMENTS in order to cover the debt service?

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Robin SimonBusiness Member
Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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Quote from @David M.:

@Rosie Small

Just remember that DSCR loans, as with many other, are NOT conforming loans. So, there is no one set of rules. Keep calling around / look for referrals for more DSCR lenders. There are a variety of terms and conditions out there... Good luck.


Yeah...No. DSCR lenders are not "conforming" but they need to be eligible for non-QM securitizations and this is an underwriting requirement that is necessary for such securitization

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  • Lender · NJ NY PA CT GA FL, Puerto Rico · Member since 2015 · 212 posts · 111 votes
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    @Rosie Small hello! 

    most of DSCR programs have 6 months seasoning period before you can cash out unless you are eligible for delayed financing.

    In terms of 2 leases - it depends on the program, sometimes there are exceptions made with compensating factors. However, we work with DSCR programs that no leases needed at all - no ratio. I would be happy to go over your scenario and provide you with options.

  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Rosie Small:

    I'm buying a 2000 sqf SFH, corner lot with 2 entrances , 3 bed 3 bath, I was planning to make a 4th bedroom, and add a second kitchen and rent the 2 unites, my insurance will cover both tenants and the property even is used as a multi family even if it is a SFH. I'm planning to cash out refinance in 3 months with a DSCR LOAN. WOULD THE LENDER TAKE BOTH RENTAL AGREEMENTS in order to cover the debt service?


     To answer your question, not likely.  If it's a single family, they'll take the rental amount that's on the appraisal.  If it's not zoned for 2 units, it would be considered a single unit.  

  • Nick BelskyBusiness Member
    Residential and Commercial Broker · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 704 votes
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    @Rosie Small

    You can definitely provide both leases to the lender.  Is there a separate USPS address for the second tenant? or would both tenant's mail deliver to the same mailbox?

    People rent out rooms in their SFR all the time and do this. Lenders will take leases for a room provided you have a lease in place.

    The addressing is the only thing I see in your post that may raise eyebrows, but even then, I've seen it go through both ways... really may come down to the lender.

    Cheers!

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  • Erik EstradaBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Some lenders won't even consider the ratio and might be able to waive that seasoning period. Just Dm'd. 

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  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    Quote from @Rosie Small:

    I'm buying a 2000 sqf SFH, corner lot with 2 entrances , 3 bed 3 bath, I was planning to make a 4th bedroom, and add a second kitchen and rent the 2 unites, my insurance will cover both tenants and the property even is used as a multi family even if it is a SFH. I'm planning to cash out refinance in 3 months with a DSCR LOAN. WOULD THE LENDER TAKE BOTH RENTAL AGREEMENTS in order to cover the debt service?


    It all depends on if its permitted and the appraisal will value it as a duplex, then the DSCR lender will qualify with income from both units. If not operating legally, they will probably still potentially lend, however it will be based on SFR market rent

  • Member since 2020 · 37 posts · 24 votes
    4y

    Hi NICK

    in this house both tenants will have the same address just A and B at the end of the address , this house has to entrances, 4 bedrooms 3 bathrooms, plenty of parking . house it self will rent for $ 3,000 , but its harder to find the tenant for a large house, if I rent both sides it will a minimum of $ 3200, but it is a lot easier to rent 2 unites at $ 1600. Thank you Nick, as you see some other mortgage brokers said no to 2 lease contracts, that's why is so confusing

  • Member since 2020 · 37 posts · 24 votes
    4y

    thank you Robin , it will be okay either way but with this kind of un know , I will be better to have 2 tenants than one paying a large rent.

  • Morris County, NJ · Member since 2020 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Rosie Small

    Just remember that DSCR loans, as with many other, are NOT conforming loans. So, there is no one set of rules. Keep calling around / look for referrals for more DSCR lenders. There are a variety of terms and conditions out there... Good luck.

  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @David M.:

    @Rosie Small

    Just remember that DSCR loans, as with many other, are NOT conforming loans. So, there is no one set of rules. Keep calling around / look for referrals for more DSCR lenders. There are a variety of terms and conditions out there... Good luck.


    Yeah...No. DSCR lenders are not "conforming" but they need to be eligible for non-QM securitizations and this is an underwriting requirement that is necessary for such securitization

  • Morris County, NJ · Member since 2020 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Robin Simon

    I think we are saying the thing. All I meant was there is more "wiggle room" or differences on how the loan product is "setup" out there. For example, a conventional loan is pretty all the same qualification terms no matter what lender to talk to. However, keep calling around DSCR lenders and I get slightly different terms and qualification requirements.

  • Member since 2020 · 37 posts · 24 votes
    4y
    Quote from @David M.:

    @Rosie Small

    Just remember that DSCR loans, as with many other, are NOT conforming loans. So, there is no one set of rules. Keep calling around / look for referrals for more DSCR lenders. There are a variety of terms and conditions out there... Good luck.


  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    4y
    Quote from @Rosie Small:

    Hi NICK

    in this house both tenants will have the same address just A and B at the end of the address , this house has to entrances, 4 bedrooms 3 bathrooms, plenty of parking . house it self will rent for $ 3,000 , but its harder to find the tenant for a large house, if I rent both sides it will a minimum of $ 3200, but it is a lot easier to rent 2 unites at $ 1600. Thank you Nick, as you see some other mortgage brokers said no to 2 lease contracts, that's why is so confusing

    There's confusion because you're missing the underlying issue; zoning. Absolutely, lenders will take both leases If it's zoned for 2 units. Before you purchase the property, check the zoning. If you buy it and try to get permits to do the work and make it into a 2 unit and then it's not zoned for it, you'll have to get a variance and they're not always given. If you go ahead and do the work anyway without permits because you want the rents, when you go to get a loan, the appraisal will say "non-conforming" in the zoning section. That's a dead loan whether it's conforming or DSCR. If it's non-conforming to zoning, then you'll have to get a 100% rebuild letter and if you the variance wasn't given in the first place, they probably won't give you a rebuild letter. On top of that, if you went ahead and did the work without a permit, a building inspector could come to your home and make you tear out all the renovations you did. @Robin Simon is right.

  • Alex BekezaBusiness Member
    Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    @Rosie Small In general, most DSCR lenders will only count rents from conforming (to it's zoning) units to calculate DSCR and they're actually going to use the LOWER of that or market rent.  However, there are some outlier programs/lenders that still have some tolerance towards slightly negative DSCR.  Some competitive long term IO products are also becoming popular to obtain higher leverage when DSCR constraints present themselves like this. 

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