Owner Finance? Blanket Loan? DSCR?

Owner Finance? Blanket Loan? DSCR?

Real Estate Agent · Puyallup, WA · Member since 2022 · 551 posts · 379 votes

Hi there,

So I am relatively newer to REI. I have recently bought my first 3 SF rentals and now I am looking to expand. I was just came across a rental portfolio that I do not have enough money to pay for with cash. I cannot do conventional lending because I have recently went from a W2 employee to a 1099. I am going after great cash flowing markets to get me started, these properties are all located in C to C+ neighborhoods.

So here is my situation:

I found an off market seller who has 7 units (6/7 are currently rented close to or at market value) bringing in a gross total of $3,820 a month. 3 of the properties are duplexes and 1 is a SF. The seller said that he wants $210k for all of them. He is willing to do owner financing, still in negotiations about terms but I am trying to leave no stone unturned so that I finance this deal the best way possible. No matter if I go owner financing, DSCR or Bridge, I am going to use Private Money for the down payment. The private money is actually from a relative and I am using their Heloc that they do not touch. It is interest only payments for the first 10 years with an ARM.

When I was trying to buy my first rentals a few months ago, I kept running into the problem that all of the DSCR lenders wouldn't lend on these types of properties because the value were too low. My question is, when doing a blanket loan, will a lender look at each individual property value or will they look at the portfolio as a whole to find its value? Just trying to get all options out on the table and make the best informed decision from there.

I appreciate any/all advice!

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Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
3y
Quote from @Erik Estrada:
Quote from @Steve Vaughan:

I'd stick with the SF and avoid blanket loans in general.   Hard to get released if you want to sell one down the line.


 There are some that do allow for partial release 

Some do means most don't. I said I avoid them in general. 
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  • Scott TrenchPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    3y

    I'm interested to hear what other folks say, but I think that with the limited information I have here, that the seller financing option sounds most attractive to me out of the options listed here. If you can get a great low interest rate and a path to paying off the portfolio in a reasonable period of time, while still maintaining strong cash flow, that might be ideal. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Puyallup, WA · Member since 2022 · 551 posts · 379 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Scott Trench:

    I'm interested to hear what other folks say, but I think that with the limited information I have here, that the seller financing option sounds most attractive to me out of the options listed here. If you can get a great low interest rate and a path to paying off the portfolio in a reasonable period of time, while still maintaining strong cash flow, that might be ideal. 


     I agree. I just haven't heard back what terms that he wants so I'm kind of thinking that he's going to come at me with some pretty rough terms. Who knows, we will see. If he would go like, $50k down, low interest rate then hopefully I can negotiate him into letting me amortize it over 30 years, that will definitely be the way to go. Just not sure if it's going to work out that way since last time I spoke to him, he said he needs a LARGE down payment. So, I guess no we just wait and see.

  • Scott TrenchPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    3y

    I just heard from someone recently who negotiated a low interest rate, 30-year amortization, but with a 5-10 year balloon (sounds like they are still going back and forth). That makes sense to me, and they were thinking through a way to protect from that balloon by negotiating a provision in that the property has to appraise at the future balloon date for at least as much as the purchase price. 

  • Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 916 posts · 647 votes
    3y

    @Nathan Harden What is the rate and LTV the seller is willing to finance? If you can meet the seller in terms of down payment and the properties cover the total debt you'll take on (seller financing loan payments and any borrowed funds repayments for the DP) then that is your better option. Most of my lenders have paused their portfolio lending for now, and individual loans are having issues debt covering at 80% LTV. The purchases Im working on today are 70-75% LTV on similarly priced properties.

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    3y

    I'd stick with the SF and avoid blanket loans in general.   Hard to get released if you want to sell one down the line.

  • Erik EstradaBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Steve Vaughan:

    I'd stick with the SF and avoid blanket loans in general.   Hard to get released if you want to sell one down the line.


     There are some that do allow for partial release 

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  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Erik Estrada:
    Quote from @Steve Vaughan:

    I'd stick with the SF and avoid blanket loans in general.   Hard to get released if you want to sell one down the line.


     There are some that do allow for partial release 

    Some do means most don't. I said I avoid them in general. 
  • Mark MunsonBusiness Member
    Lender · Orlando, FL · Member since 2022 · 440 posts · 300 votes
    3y

    Most DSCR lenders that offer blanket loans allow for Partial Release Clauses, the payoff is typically 120% of the valued portion of that asset being sold. With more inexpensive properties, you are better off blanketing them as the value requirements for each asset drops, as opposed to do them individually. For example, one lender we utilize drops their minimum property-level loan amount to $50,000, instead of $67,500 on a single asset.

  • Real Estate Agent · Puyallup, WA · Member since 2022 · 551 posts · 379 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Scott Trench:

    I'm interested to hear what other folks say, but I think that with the limited information I have here, that the seller financing option sounds most attractive to me out of the options listed here. If you can get a great low interest rate and a path to paying off the portfolio in a reasonable period of time, while still maintaining strong cash flow, that might be ideal. 


     Thanks for the reply Scott.

    We ended up going back and forth for about a week and were unable to get a deal done. I offered what I thought was a decent starting point, turns out the guy wanted 11% interest and a few other things that just made the deal absolutely fall apart. Oh well, onto the next!

  • Real Estate Agent · Puyallup, WA · Member since 2022 · 551 posts · 379 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jonathan Taylor:

    @Nathan Harden What is the rate and LTV the seller is willing to finance? If you can meet the seller in terms of down payment and the properties cover the total debt you'll take on (seller financing loan payments and any borrowed funds repayments for the DP) then that is your better option. Most of my lenders have paused their portfolio lending for now, and individual loans are having issues debt covering at 80% LTV. The purchases Im working on today are 70-75% LTV on similarly priced properties.


     The deal ended up falling through. The seller ended up wanting 11% interest and with me having to borrow money for the down payment, those numbers just never would have worked after I had to pay him and my private money lender back.

  • Real Estate Agent · Puyallup, WA · Member since 2022 · 551 posts · 379 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Erik Estrada:
    Quote from @Steve Vaughan:

    I'd stick with the SF and avoid blanket loans in general.   Hard to get released if you want to sell one down the line.


     There are some that do allow for partial release 


     Erik,

    That is a new term for me. What do you mean by "partial release"?

  • Real Estate Agent · Puyallup, WA · Member since 2022 · 551 posts · 379 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Mark Munson:

    Most DSCR lenders that offer blanket loans allow for Partial Release Clauses, the payoff is typically 120% of the valued portion of that asset being sold. With more inexpensive properties, you are better off blanketing them as the value requirements for each asset drops, as opposed to do them individually. For example, one lender we utilize drops their minimum property-level loan amount to $50,000, instead of $67,500 on a single asset.


     Mark,

    The lender that drops their minimum property level loan down to $50k, do they loan in Ohio?

  • Mark MunsonBusiness Member
    Lender · Orlando, FL · Member since 2022 · 440 posts · 300 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan Harden:
    Quote from @Erik Estrada:
    Quote from @Steve Vaughan:

    I'd stick with the SF and avoid blanket loans in general.   Hard to get released if you want to sell one down the line.


     There are some that do allow for partial release 


     Erik,

    That is a new term for me. What do you mean by "partial release"?


    Partial release clauses allow you to sell one property in the blanket/portfolio loan without the entire note being called due. 

  • Mark MunsonBusiness Member
    Lender · Orlando, FL · Member since 2022 · 440 posts · 300 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan Harden:
    Quote from @Mark Munson:

    Most DSCR lenders that offer blanket loans allow for Partial Release Clauses, the payoff is typically 120% of the valued portion of that asset being sold. With more inexpensive properties, you are better off blanketing them as the value requirements for each asset drops, as opposed to do them individually. For example, one lender we utilize drops their minimum property-level loan amount to $50,000, instead of $67,500 on a single asset.


     Mark,

    The lender that drops their minimum property level loan down to $50k, do they loan in Ohio?

    Yes, they do. Message me and I can give you the details. 
  • Erik EstradaBusiness Member
    Lender · Member since 2022 · 6k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nathan Harden:
    Quote from @Erik Estrada:
    Quote from @Steve Vaughan:

    I'd stick with the SF and avoid blanket loans in general.   Hard to get released if you want to sell one down the line.


     There are some that do allow for partial release 


     Erik,

    That is a new term for me. What do you mean by "partial release"?


     Some lenders allow you to sell or refinance an individual property that is part of a blanket or portfolio loan. Most however, do not. 

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