My goal is to acquire 167 rental properties in 5 years generating $500/month on average.
Im starting my first year and am planning to buy 10 properties in 1 year. I’ll have $50K saved and $8,000 in credit lines.
My question is how do I get the money for 10 down payments? I’ll have enough capital to cover 2 down payments 1: first property Under 5% because I’m house hacking. 2: And 20% for the remaining 8 properties. Let’s assume 40K down payment * 8 properties = $320,000. Is it smart to finance the down payment on top of the property? How do I get the financing? Is there another way I could accomplish this?
@Joseph Fenner, where did you get these goals? They don't seem realistic on their face and here are a few thoughts as to why.
1. You don't mention the market, but even in a good cash-flowing market $500/unit not not easy to find especially when fully leveraged at today's rates and also trying to borrow down payments. It's hard to find ANY cash-flow doing that.
2. It sounds like you believe that you can borrow, buy, and make money. If it was that easy everyone would be wealthy. It takes more effort than that to find, make, and execute on good deals.
3. You seem to believe cash and financing are your limiting factors and if you were only going to buy 1 property that might be the focus, but to buy many deals you need processes in place to find opportunities. You need the ability to do something with those opportunities doing rehab work and you need to be able to execute with professional quality property management.
4. If you have the skills and get the experience, you can get the funding. Lending to a novice who wants to borrow 100% of the equity of a rent ready property is riskier than lending to someone experienced who wants to buy, rehab, rent, & refinance a severely distressed property even though in the later case you would be initially lending MORE than the value of the property, but knowing the ARV will well exceed the loan in the end when executed well.
5. I would throw away the goals and start by assessing YOURSELF and determine what skills and effort you will bring to real estate investing and THEN decide on an investment strategy that suits you. After that then and only then make some goals based upon that because then you will have goals that make sense in light of what you are actually able and willing to do.
@Joseph Fenner, where did you get these goals? They don't seem realistic on their face and here are a few thoughts as to why.
1. You don't mention the market, but even in a good cash-flowing market $500/unit not not easy to find especially when fully leveraged at today's rates and also trying to borrow down payments. It's hard to find ANY cash-flow doing that.
2. It sounds like you believe that you can borrow, buy, and make money. If it was that easy everyone would be wealthy. It takes more effort than that to find, make, and execute on good deals.
3. You seem to believe cash and financing are your limiting factors and if you were only going to buy 1 property that might be the focus, but to buy many deals you need processes in place to find opportunities. You need the ability to do something with those opportunities doing rehab work and you need to be able to execute with professional quality property management.
4. If you have the skills and get the experience, you can get the funding. Lending to a novice who wants to borrow 100% of the equity of a rent ready property is riskier than lending to someone experienced who wants to buy, rehab, rent, & refinance a severely distressed property even though in the later case you would be initially lending MORE than the value of the property, but knowing the ARV will well exceed the loan in the end when executed well.
5. I would throw away the goals and start by assessing YOURSELF and determine what skills and effort you will bring to real estate investing and THEN decide on an investment strategy that suits you. After that then and only then make some goals based upon that because then you will have goals that make sense in light of what you are actually able and willing to do.
My goal is to acquire 167 rental properties in 5 years generating $500/month on average.
Im starting my first year and am planning to buy 10 properties in 1 year. I’ll have $50K saved and $8,000 in credit lines.
My question is how do I get the money for 10 down payments? I’ll have enough capital to cover 2 down payments 1: first property Under 5% because I’m house hacking. 2: And 20% for the remaining 8 properties. Let’s assume 40K down payment * 8 properties = $320,000. Is it smart to finance the down payment on top of the property? How do I get the financing? Is there another way I could accomplish this?
The BRRRR Method is really designed for this - I'd recommend buying the "BRRRR Book" in the BP bookstore and following that strategy - it basically outlines this exact gameplan in the opening chapters
My goal is to acquire 167 rental properties in 5 years generating $500/month on average.
Im starting my first year and am planning to buy 10 properties in 1 year. I’ll have $50K saved and $8,000 in credit lines.
My question is how do I get the money for 10 down payments? I’ll have enough capital to cover 2 down payments 1: first property Under 5% because I’m house hacking. 2: And 20% for the remaining 8 properties. Let’s assume 40K down payment * 8 properties = $320,000. Is it smart to finance the down payment on top of the property? How do I get the financing? Is there another way I could accomplish this?
You have a number of ways you might be able to finance multiple down payments — potentially through partnering with investors or using HELOCs on your existing properties, possibly even seller financing. A portfolio loan might also be a good idea, provided you have multiple properties to bundle together; this can help lower the down payment. A potential trap people may fall into is that they will borrow to source a down payment, therefore ensure you check existing debts and cash flow carefully otherwise you might be in over your head.
Buy 1 and see how it goes. It's harder than it seems on paper. And it takes more than $40k to buy a $200k property. Closing costs plus cash reserves probably puts that at $60k to actually do it (if a lender does not require 25%).
To acquire 167 rentals, use creative financing strategies like the BRRRR Method, seller financing, partnerships, joint ventures, HELOC/Equity Loans, portfolio loans, credit cards, and business credit lines. Leverage private lenders and seller financing to avoid draining cash reserves. Start with one or two BRRRR deals and use cash-out refinance for next deals. Build a strong network of lenders, partners, and contractors to achieve your goal. Don't hesitate to go slow initially, learn from the first few deals, and pick up the pace once you've locked in your process.
Good luck!
To acquire 167 rentals, use creative financing strategies like the BRRRR Method, seller financing, partnerships, joint ventures, HELOC/Equity Loans, portfolio loans, credit cards, and business credit lines. Leverage private lenders and seller financing to avoid draining cash reserves. Start with one or two BRRRR deals and use cash-out refinance for next deals. Build a strong network of lenders, partners, and contractors to achieve your goal. Don't hesitate to go slow initially, learn from the first few deals, and pick up the pace once you've locked in your process.
Good luck!
You don't eat an elephant in one bite.
Focus on whats in front of you.
@Joseph Fenner, where did you get these goals? They don't seem realistic on their face and here are a few thoughts as to why.
1. You don't mention the market, but even in a good cash-flowing market $500/unit not not easy to find especially when fully leveraged at today's rates and also trying to borrow down payments. It's hard to find ANY cash-flow doing that.
2. It sounds like you believe that you can borrow, buy, and make money. If it was that easy everyone would be wealthy. It takes more effort than that to find, make, and execute on good deals.
3. You seem to believe cash and financing are your limiting factors and if you were only going to buy 1 property that might be the focus, but to buy many deals you need processes in place to find opportunities. You need the ability to do something with those opportunities doing rehab work and you need to be able to execute with professional quality property management.
4. If you have the skills and get the experience, you can get the funding. Lending to a novice who wants to borrow 100% of the equity of a rent ready property is riskier than lending to someone experienced who wants to buy, rehab, rent, & refinance a severely distressed property even though in the later case you would be initially lending MORE than the value of the property, but knowing the ARV will well exceed the loan in the end when executed well.
5. I would throw away the goals and start by assessing YOURSELF and determine what skills and effort you will bring to real estate investing and THEN decide on an investment strategy that suits you. After that then and only then make some goals based upon that because then you will have goals that make sense in light of what you are actually able and willing to do.
You don't eat an elephant in one bite.
Focus on whats in front of you.
You don't eat an elephant in one bite.
Focus on whats in front of you.
Start with one, see what it really costs you and what you could improve on. Then move to number 2.
You're thinking 10 a year, when you haven't done one. You don't know what you don't know. Get yourself in front of it first, you also completely ignored any risk factors(for reserves).
And trust me, as someone who bought 40 + in one year, there's a ton more work and a ton, ton more capital involved. Your limiting factors are the width of your expectations and reality, but that doesn't mean you cannot start somewhere. Get your house hack, see how that goes and move on from there.
@Joseph Fenner, where did you get these goals? They don't seem realistic on their face and here are a few thoughts as to why.
1. You don't mention the market, but even in a good cash-flowing market $500/unit not not easy to find especially when fully leveraged at today's rates and also trying to borrow down payments. It's hard to find ANY cash-flow doing that.
2. It sounds like you believe that you can borrow, buy, and make money. If it was that easy everyone would be wealthy. It takes more effort than that to find, make, and execute on good deals.
3. You seem to believe cash and financing are your limiting factors and if you were only going to buy 1 property that might be the focus, but to buy many deals you need processes in place to find opportunities. You need the ability to do something with those opportunities doing rehab work and you need to be able to execute with professional quality property management.
4. If you have the skills and get the experience, you can get the funding. Lending to a novice who wants to borrow 100% of the equity of a rent ready property is riskier than lending to someone experienced who wants to buy, rehab, rent, & refinance a severely distressed property even though in the later case you would be initially lending MORE than the value of the property, but knowing the ARV will well exceed the loan in the end when executed well.
5. I would throw away the goals and start by assessing YOURSELF and determine what skills and effort you will bring to real estate investing and THEN decide on an investment strategy that suits you. After that then and only then make some goals based upon that because then you will have goals that make sense in light of what you are actually able and willing to do.
Focus on the FIRST deal first! I don't think you are at the point where you can plan for global domination.
If you are going to do a BRRRR there is a lot to learn just doing one of those and after that maybe you can make a modestly bigger plan based on your experience there.
Learning to manage the rehab project, scope of work, contractors, etc etc. There is a lot to learn there and many ways for things to go sideways and end up poorly. So, I would focus on making that go well first.
You don't eat an elephant in one bite.
Focus on whats in front of you.
You need to take action & quit planning.
@Joseph Fenner my goal is to win the lottery!
It's as well thought out as your goal.
How many properties have you anlayzed for ROI and cashflow?
If you actually did this, you'd have an obvious answer for your question about financing down payments.
This is your post from 9 months ago:
My goal is I want to buy 200 properties in 5 years(separate business plan) and build even bigger after until I have the biggest real estate empire. I need to become a millionaire in my 20s it’s a requirement and I need to buy my first rental property at age 20 which I just turned 20 so I have less than 1 year to acquire my first property, it’s a non negotiable. I want to get to a point where I am buying properties every day across the world.
But my first goal is to buy my first duplex and rent it out this year it cannot be later, like I mentioned it's a requirement for me. I will be traveling across the US to a better housing market, I have access to the MLS for every state which is cheaper than hiring a realtor and will make my journey better and faster.
Also I have no income I live on disability and invest that into stocks, I worked a few months in IT and saved everything and quit so I could buy time. My credit score is 765 and I have the best credit history never missing a payment which will help me and my investments.
Where can I find an investor to give me $50,000 to show the lender I have income and a down payment? Also for travel expenses.
What actual research and analysis have you done since then?
Until YOU start investing YOUR TIME, you're just wasting OUR time!
@Joseph Fenner my goal is to win the lottery!
It's as well thought out as your goal.
How many properties have you anlayzed for ROI and cashflow?
If you actually did this, you'd have an obvious answer for your question about financing down payments.
This is your post from 9 months ago:
My goal is I want to buy 200 properties in 5 years(separate business plan) and build even bigger after until I have the biggest real estate empire. I need to become a millionaire in my 20s it’s a requirement and I need to buy my first rental property at age 20 which I just turned 20 so I have less than 1 year to acquire my first property, it’s a non negotiable. I want to get to a point where I am buying properties every day across the world.
But my first goal is to buy my first duplex and rent it out this year it cannot be later, like I mentioned it's a requirement for me. I will be traveling across the US to a better housing market, I have access to the MLS for every state which is cheaper than hiring a realtor and will make my journey better and faster.
Also I have no income I live on disability and invest that into stocks, I worked a few months in IT and saved everything and quit so I could buy time. My credit score is 765 and I have the best credit history never missing a payment which will help me and my investments.
Where can I find an investor to give me $50,000 to show the lender I have income and a down payment? Also for travel expenses.
What actual research and analysis have you done since then?
Until YOU start investing YOUR TIME, you're just wasting OUR time!
Agreed on this point. You set a goal that's unrealistic and 99.9% of people do not hit near that when they invest in real estate. Not saying you will never get there but to go from 0 properties to 167 in 5 years with your income and savings will not happen. You can leverage and be creative but you don't have the foundation to sustain buying 10 properties in 1 year. You don't have experience to partner with someone who is willing to fund you to do so.
As others said start with one. With 50K you can start with 1/2 properties to get your feet wet. From there SLOWLY scale and add properties. Planning will only go as far as the work you put in
I would suggest that you focus on buying fewer but better properties. Owning a lot of cheap properties with crappy tenants is a great way to lose money. Best of luck to you.
What I did (my goals and availability of free time are different their yours) was to buy one that was ready to go and get it rented (and go through that process). The second one was more of a fixer but cosmetic. I don't have any plans to buy a third. If you were very aggressive and good with brr, you might be able to get 3 in year one, but that's a stretch with the amount you have saved.
Growing to the large number you are looking at in the time frame you want will require outside equity investors and will require a large team to help manage and support your work (at which point you'll probably move to apartment complexes rather than single family homes). This will require showing you have good processes via the first couple of investments. So, you'll likely to be 1-2 the first year, 2-3 the second year, then 5-10 year 3 (you'll be expected to put up 20% of the equity (or 5%, 20% other people's money, 75% loan).
Good luck Joesph.
Serious question @Joseph Fenner, I am curious the catalyst where you came up with this whole idea of things.
Was there some book you read, some class or YT info you drew upon? Where did this notion come from of going from 0 too 167 properties in 5yrs????
So here is something I wonder if you ever considered in this venture; what if you really suck at it? Serious. How many people set out that they want to be, say, a Dentist only to find they really hate it. And in the path of things, they switch, to say being a Pediatrist.
I am seriously curious what posses one to think there gonna set out to be HUGE, vs setting out to start, try it on, feel things out, focus on the 1 and see where things go from there?
My goal is to acquire 167 rental properties in 5 years generating $500/month on average.
Im starting my first year and am planning to buy 10 properties in 1 year. I’ll have $50K saved and $8,000 in credit lines.
My question is how do I get the money for 10 down payments? I’ll have enough capital to cover 2 down payments 1: first property Under 5% because I’m house hacking. 2: And 20% for the remaining 8 properties. Let’s assume 40K down payment * 8 properties = $320,000. Is it smart to finance the down payment on top of the property? How do I get the financing? Is there another way I could accomplish this?
So you want to have 167 rentals(WTH did you get that number from ? ) with 50k NOT happening ,,,,,, HMM this reads like a FB post
Good luck
@Joseph Fenner
Good advice above. Even if you assume your goal is realistic, James makes a great point. I planned to retire off of STRs...had it all mapped out. I bought one and the first year was OK but I quickly learned I HATED it. You couldn't pay me enough to start another. I MUCH MUCH prefer long terms. There are people who will completely disagree with me. Everyone is different and until you try the first you will have no idea if you want to dedicate the next 5 years of your life to it.
What happens if you get the first one and the following happens
1. Contractor decides going on a two week vacation in the middle of the rehab pushing out the subs work who were already booked the next several months
2.Tenant stops paying rent. Still have expenses, but no income (hope you have reserves for a lawyer)
3. Despite rock solid comps the appraiser gives you a very low appraisal. How do you refi?
4. Interest rates go up
5. An anomaly happens in your personal life that consumes more money than normal. Wipes out your reserves.
That exact perfect storm happened on a brrrr deal of mine. Are you really going to stay this motivated under those circumstances. I bet realistically most people would stop there.
@Joseph Fenner good on you for the ambitious goal but I would focus on getting my first property. That sets the tone for learning about the future.
All the advice here (and there are great insights) will not substitute going out and getting a deal.if you are serious about a future in RE, you will learn from your mistakes in your first deal and you will use those mistakes to help you in your second deal and so forth.
Most importantly you will if you enjoy the journey of RE investing. Cash flow/FIRE is awesome and most investors start out with this goal in mind but RE investing is work and if one doesn’t enjoy walking the path that RE leads to, RE investing is just another cruddy job. I buy rental properties because I love the process and the hours I put in do not adversely affect my W2 career/time with my family which I enjoy even more.
Find your WHY and then get that first deal done. If you end up being hooked like many investors here are, your desire to learn strategies to achieve your goal will only grow.
My goal is to acquire 167 rental properties in 5 years generating $500/month on average.
Im starting my first year and am planning to buy 10 properties in 1 year. I’ll have $50K saved and $8,000 in credit lines.
My question is how do I get the money for 10 down payments? I’ll have enough capital to cover 2 down payments 1: first property Under 5% because I’m house hacking. 2: And 20% for the remaining 8 properties. Let’s assume 40K down payment * 8 properties = $320,000. Is it smart to finance the down payment on top of the property? How do I get the financing? Is there another way I could accomplish this?
So you want to have 167 rentals(WTH did you get that number from ? ) with 50k NOT happening ,,,,,, HMM this reads like a FB post
Good luck
Serious question @Joseph Fenner, I am curious the catalyst where you came up with this whole idea of things.
Was there some book you read, some class or YT info you drew upon? Where did this notion come from of going from 0 too 167 properties in 5yrs????
So here is something I wonder if you ever considered in this venture; what if you really suck at it? Serious. How many people set out that they want to be, say, a Dentist only to find they really hate it. And in the path of things, they switch, to say being a Pediatrist.
I am seriously curious what posses one to think there gonna set out to be HUGE, vs setting out to start, try it on, feel things out, focus on the 1 and see where things go from there?
My goal is to acquire 167 rental properties in 5 years generating $500/month on average.
Im starting my first year and am planning to buy 10 properties in 1 year. I’ll have $50K saved and $8,000 in credit lines.
My question is how do I get the money for 10 down payments? I’ll have enough capital to cover 2 down payments 1: first property Under 5% because I’m house hacking. 2: And 20% for the remaining 8 properties. Let’s assume 40K down payment * 8 properties = $320,000. Is it smart to finance the down payment on top of the property? How do I get the financing? Is there another way I could accomplish this?
So you want to have 167 rentals(WTH did you get that number from ? ) with 50k NOT happening ,,,,,, HMM this reads like a FB post
Good luck
Where is the admin? Let's get rid of this post, THIS IS NOT FB ,
Thank you
My goal is to acquire 167 rental properties in 5 years generating $500/month on average.
Im starting my first year and am planning to buy 10 properties in 1 year. I’ll have $50K saved and $8,000 in credit lines.
My question is how do I get the money for 10 down payments? I’ll have enough capital to cover 2 down payments 1: first property Under 5% because I’m house hacking. 2: And 20% for the remaining 8 properties. Let’s assume 40K down payment * 8 properties = $320,000. Is it smart to finance the down payment on top of the property? How do I get the financing? Is there another way I could accomplish this?
So you want to have 167 rentals(WTH did you get that number from ? ) with 50k NOT happening ,,,,,, HMM this reads like a FB post
Good luck
Where is the admin? Let's get rid of this post, THIS IS NOT FB ,
Thank you
Mr/Ms Admin,
Bob needs help deleting his reply. Apparently he is only used to using facebook. Older people like this often need a little extra help with technology. So, let's not put him down simply for asking for help here.