Suva, Fiji · Member since 2017 · 52 posts · 23 votes
The value of bitcoin has skyrocketed, has anyone here cashed out yet for REI purposes? It seems ironic to use a highly volatile currency to fund a sometimes volatile industry. As real estate investors, do you find the crossover to currency/cryptocurrency trading is easy? Do they share many similarities? I would like to get more into Cryptocurrency investment myself.
Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 139 posts · 107 votes
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@Tyrel McAllister I have been active in both and could not advise you on your personal investment decisions...
My personal philosophy is that you must understand the cryptocurrency/ blockchain to invest in it. If you do not understand it then you are gambleing on others people. I myself do invest in cryptocurrency, but believe in the future of it.
Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 139 posts · 107 votes
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@Tyrel McAllister I have been active in both and could not advise you on your personal investment decisions...
My personal philosophy is that you must understand the cryptocurrency/ blockchain to invest in it. If you do not understand it then you are gambleing on others people. I myself do invest in cryptocurrency, but believe in the future of it.
Savannah, GA · Member since 2017 · 14 posts · 14 votes
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Don't, at least not right now. You WILL lose money in the coming months. It is eventually going to flat line and THAT will be the time to invest a SMALL portion of your portfolio. I honestly wouldn't invest more then 1-5% of my portfolio into it at any given time. Also stay away from the stock GBTC.
Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 87 votes
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@Tyrel McAllister The crossover from currency/cryptocurrency is made very easy by certain exchanges and websites that are out there today. The ease of trade is part of the reason for the skyrocketing prices.
Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 87 votes
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@Jared Forman The price of cryptocurrencies rises and falls based on the basic principle of supply and demand. Cryptocurrency's prices reflect the demand for that cryptocurreny's user network, called a blockchain. The blockchain's native currency's prices move based on how many people are using their blockchain...hence the dramatic rise in bitcoin prices due to dramatic rise in users of its blockchain. Bitcoin is not a fiat currency (like certain country's currency's) and I would argue that its unlikely that the value of those certain country's currency's have any impact on bitcoin.
I'm sure I will regret engaging in this....basic economic supply/demand models are utilized for goods or services. If more people need plumbers than are available then (in a "perfect market") then the price of their service goes up. If there are more Ford trucks for sale than there are buyers the price goes down. Crypto markets are not at that type of market (yet) they are completely driven by speculation right now. Saying supply and demand have anything do to with this rush is nonsense. The average joe has no clue what the supply of the coin (pick any "currency") is and has no plan to spend it as a currency at this point. They only plan to resell it at a higher price just like tulip "investors" or beanie babies. The use and development of blockchain technology has nothing do to with the price of an individual currency. Just because Bank XYZ is starting to look into blockchain does not mean etherium's demand goes up or it becomes more valuable...
I believe this thread was started regarding transitioning from RE investing to crypto investing. In that vein, I do not see any similarities between real estate investing and "investing" in cryptos.
Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 87 votes
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Chris Moore You make some good points, but without supply and demand, how would price speculation ever come into play? For example: If you had an unlimited supply of real estate, or say, beanie babies, then nobody would be inclined to pay more for any for any piece of real estate, or beanie baby, than anyone else. Whether the average joe knows what the actual supply is or not, the price would not be going up without the law of supply and demand because they would otherwise be able to buy at the same price as anyone and everyone else if there was unlimited supply.
I do not think cryptocurrencies are a reasonable investment alternative to real estate by any means today. However, for the average joe that you mentioned, is there a difference between a cryptocurrency and a cryptography based security token - probably not. Investing in cryptography based security tokens backed by real estate could become an option for real estate investors quicker than we know...very similar to the concept of crowdfunding.
-Vince
Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 94 posts · 87 votes
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Chris Moore Refer to the following thread for further reinforcement of my suggestion about cryptocurrency vs crypto security tokens backed by real estate.
I just sold a property using BitBay’s blockchain smart-contracts on the BiggerPockets forums
http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/223/topics/500242-i-just-sold-a-property-using-bitbay-s-blockchain-smart-contracts
Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
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The major difference between real estate and bitcoin is a real world need. Real estate covers two of the basic human needs, shelter and food (land is used for farming and food production).
Bitcoin is a currency created with simulated scarcity built in. It is not backed by any government and is not freely exchanged directly for basic human needs. You have to sell bitcoin and pay taxes, then with the remaining money you can purchase real estate.
Supply and demand governs the value of both bitcoin and real estate. The demand on bitcoin has been fueled by speculation and media hype. Real estate values are also fueled by speculation and hype, but the underlying physical asset is also of value. The danger with bitcoin is that the there is no underlying physical asset. Bitcoin could be replaced with a different crypto currency and the value could drop to nothing. If bitcoin is hacked and compromised, it would have a catastrophic effect and there is no government bail out program to help on that crash.
Early investors have started exiting crypto currency. They are in the media telling everyone it could go up 1000% more, which is their attempt to build hype and increase the value as they plan their exit.
The founder of Litecoin just cashed out after a 9300% run up in value. He claims that he cashed out due to a conflict of interest, which is laughable. He is a smart guy. Everyone knows when a CEO sells shares all the shares in his company, it is hardly a vote of confidence in the future.
I agree there are parallels to real estate from a supply/demand, hype and bubble perspective. That is true of anything, even tulips. Real estate has an underlying physical asset and cash flow pays you while you own it. Real estate is government supported and protected. Bitcoin is purely speculation and you only make money when you sell.
Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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It is a form of currency/asset and I guess it is backed by all the other worlds currencies who purchased already. Guys are trading cars and real estate today but the percentage is not significantly measurable yet? Maybe vacation homes might be a niche first. Not really for buying a cup of coffee as cash does fine for all that daily stuff.
Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 50 posts · 13 votes
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No. Trade crypto if you want to gamble (I do a little bit, it's fun, but it's not a significant portion of my networth). Do it if you want but just be real with yourself and understand that you are gambling, not necessarily investing.
Chris Moore Refer to the following thread for further reinforcement of my suggestion about cryptocurrency vs crypto security tokens backed by real estate.
I just sold a property using BitBay’s blockchain smart-contracts on the BiggerPockets forums
Congrats, but we are having different conversations. Using blockchain tech for your contract has nothing to do with investing IN Cryptos or Real Estate. Again, I am addressing the original question of differences/similarities investing IN Real Estate vs investing IN cryptos.
Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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I would argue those who say bitcoin is a currency. It is an asset meant to be a currency but it has no intrinsic value, is not backed by anyone or anything and is extremely volatile.