I finally moved to a self-directed IRA and here’s what happened

I finally moved to a self-directed IRA and here’s what happened

Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 116 posts · 136 votes

Sometimes you just need the easy button.

A way to meet all your investing requirements.

From someone you trust.

That was me.

My requirements? I needed to find a passive real estate income stream that would work within the IRS' self-directed IRA (SDIRA) rules. I wanted consistent better returns than the stock market. And, I wanted to work with someone I could trust.

Trust… well that’s tricky isn't it? How do you figure out who you can trust to handle your money?

Let me back up a bit.

I had a Roth IRA that was going nowhere. This account stayed at the same number for years but I didn't really think about it. Maybe you can relate? It didn't seem like a big deal to just leave it. I couldn't touch it for a long time and it wasn't that much money. Except -- it could be worth more if I put it somewhere else. Now, I had to figure out how to move the funds. And, where should I invest?

At first, I looked at the various real estate crowdfunding sites. There’s many to choose from. In fact, too many. I found myself overwhelmed with all the options. Probably got into a bit of analysis paralysis at this point.

Around the same time, I caught a BiggerPockets podcast featuring Dave Van Horn on note investing. Notes? Now that was a side of real estate that I hadn’t explored. In the podcast, Dave shared his background in real estate, how he got into note investing and why he started his company - PPR. I was curious to learn more and liked the idea of niche diversification outside of my current active real estate business.

At this point, I’m in information overload between where to invest but also what custodian I should use to manage the SDIRA. Have you ever read Amazon.com reviews and wondered how anyone ever decides which product to buy? There are just as many negative reviews as there are positive.  This is what I experienced in trying to decide on a custodian.  Dave’s team saved me from all that. Besides answering my questions on PPR’s note investing options, they gave me a custodian recommendation. And guess what??? There were no bad reviews for the company they mentioned. Yes, I still did my own due diligence but PPR saved me hours of additional research.

Perhaps the biggest reason I ended up working with PPR is because of the BiggerPockets community validation. I saw what others had posted in forums about their positive experiences. And, I read Dave’s blog posts which are featured on BiggerPockets. I liked his perspective, his approach to investing and his “voice”.

So how has it been? Easy.

  • Investment returns automatically deposited on a regular basis.
  • Questions answered in a timely manner.
  • Excellent customer service.
  • Investor education events.

I'm glad I finally did something about the small Roth IRA that was flat-lined for many years. Now that everything is moved over, I have no idea why I put it off for so long.

If you are looking to direct your IRA into real estate, what types of investments are you considering? For those that already use a SDIRA for passive investments how has your experience been?

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Solo 401k Expert · Anaheim Hills, CA · Member since 2012 · 18k+ posts · 6k+ votes
9y

Thanks for sharing your story Nichole! I have been investing mainly in trust deeds but like you got connected with Dave and just recently ended up investing in his fund, my primary reason was for diversification and because it is passive. 

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  • Carl FischerPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Ambler, PA · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Nichole Stohler

    I find using a SDIRA to be a great tool for passive investments and growing your retirement with less stress than the stock market roller coaster. 

    Dave Van Horn is a collegue of mine and I am glad that he was able to point you in a direction that helped you feel better about your retirement planning. 

    I wish you the best of luck in your investments

    Carl Fischer

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    What are your returns? I have found 1st lien mortgages to be very profitable.

  • Solo 401k Expert · Anaheim Hills, CA · Member since 2012 · 18k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    Thanks for sharing your story Nichole! I have been investing mainly in trust deeds but like you got connected with Dave and just recently ended up investing in his fund, my primary reason was for diversification and because it is passive. 

  • Franklin F.Pro Member
    Investor · Crossville, TN · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 27 votes
    9y

    Thanks for your post @Nichole Stohler.  My experience with PPR has been consistent with yours, as well as the search to find them.  I've been pleased with them for well over a year now, and will probably roll-over my investment with them when the current funds wrap up.  Out of curiosity, what custodian did they recommend to you?  Thanks.

  • Franklin F.Pro Member
    Investor · Crossville, TN · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 27 votes
    9y

    P.S.  I'd also like to plug Bigger Pockets because of what you said, but also because of the education you can get here on the website.  It is like NONE other...in a good way!  

    To answer your question @John Thedford, PPR's current fund pays 12%.   

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    @Franklin F.

    That's a great return!

  • Specialist · Piscataway, NJ · Member since 2016 · 65 posts · 25 votes
    9y

    Thanks for your post Nichole.  I was in a similar position with my SDIRA and decided on working with PPR.  Their return is better than most note companies.  I have listened to Dave Van Horn's podcasts and read his blogs on Bigger Pockets.  I am glad to be doing business with his company.

  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 116 posts · 136 votes
    9y

    @John Thedford, thanks for your comment!  I'm in a couple of funds so the range is 10-12%.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 116 posts · 136 votes
    9y

    @Dmitriy Fomichenko, exactly!   We have our active investments but needed something passive as well.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 116 posts · 136 votes
    9y

    @Franklin F., they recommended CamaPlan...     Prior to that, I'd been reading all these reviews on custodians and became almost paralyzed since there were just as many bad as good reviews.    Painful... 

  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 116 posts · 136 votes
    9y

    @Carl Fischer,  agreed!   While the market has been up for quite some time now, I was just waiting for the next news story that made everyone freak out.

    I've actually been working with CamaPlan on this project and the experience has been great!

  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 116 posts · 136 votes
    9y

    @Mark Senecal, glad to hear you found something that works for your SDIRA!   I remember we were both researching about the same time.   Necessary but a bit confusing and sometimes painful research....

  • Linda HastingsPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Stockdale, TX · Member since 2017 · 285 posts · 202 votes
    9y

    Thanks for sharing your custodian @Nichole Stohler. Haven't heard of them, but will check them out. 

  • Daniel DietzPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Reedsburg, WI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 857 votes
    9y

    Hello All, 

    I took another look at their website and was trying to understand the difference between the individual Notes and the Funds.

    Am I correct in my thinking that ONLY Accredited Investors can do the Note Funds, while Individuals can do the individual notes? Where do Sophisticated (and what is that technical definition?) fit into the mix?

    I KNOW I am not up to Accredited.

    It seems to me to be "backwards" thinking that there is LESS risk to a 'novice' in a FUND since the risk is spread out over many Notes and professionally managed, whereas an Individual Note seems like it would carry WAY more risk, especially picking the 'right one' for your investing goals, budget, etc...? 

    Am I missing something here?

    Thanks, Dan Dietz

  • Franklin F.Pro Member
    Investor · Crossville, TN · Member since 2016 · 58 posts · 27 votes
    9y

    @Daniel Dietz, you are correct in your understanding.  If you have questions about anything to do with PPR, just call them, they've always had great customer service with me. 

  • Residential Investor · Allentown, PA · Member since 2012 · 96 posts · 29 votes
    1y

    @Carl Fischer

    Has anybody invested in PPR within their Roth IRA? (which I'm considering). Need I be concerned with UBTI?

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