Do you Ever Feel “ Landlords guilt “ Evicting Someone?

Do you Ever Feel “ Landlords guilt “ Evicting Someone?

Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes

Situation: My Tenant Stopped Paying and has violated my “ rent to own “ agreement. He is 20 days late, total violation, contract is now void. I have to evict as he said “ I do not have any funds to pay that rent “

- I feel as if I have no choice but to evict, can’t pay. Can’t stay. I hate making enemies though, especially because he was a year into the agreement already

- Have you ever evicted someone and felt a sense of Guilt?

- After eviction, have you ever ran into the person? Out in public, etc... just in general.

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Handyman · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2018 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
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@Cameron Riley

This may sound self-serving, and perhaps it is, but I have some experience and this is what I think I've learned.

Every society has limits. When members of that society exceeds those limits and harms that society, they come up against some of the institutions that work to bring them back to within those limits or expel them completely.

I don't agree with all the precepts and treatments of the Alcoholics Anonymous program, but there is a psychological concept of "rock bottom" in the program that I do think has a lot of value. According to this theory, addicts can't really commit to getting better until they touch rock bottom in their lives, realize the harm they're doing to themselves and others, and consciously decide that that going on as they have in the past is not an option.

Also in addiction treatment, there is a concept of "enabling." An enabler is a figure in a troubled person's life who enables the addict to continue on in their troubled ways well past the point that they should have seen the error of their ways, shielding them from the full impact and consequences of their behavior. The enabler does this for a variety of reasons, many of them well-meaning.

For me, every eviction I have been involved in has been more than anything else a process of stepping away from enabling and clearing the way to rock bottom for a tenant who needs to seek help or treatment but refuses to do so because they're terrified, they're proud, or they're blind to the consequences of their ways.

You have to decide, as a landlord, if you're dealing with a person who will seize on an opportunity to change their behavior if you give it to them, or whether you're dealing with a person who will not change until they hit rock bottom. If you decide on the latter, you're not doing them any favors standing in their way, and enabling them is ultimately harming them.

An eviction triggers a whole host of social services and safety mechanisms that are there to help the troubled tenant. That notice on the door may be the only way the tenant will ever actually first reach out for help from the people who are there to help them.

Now let's look at this case and what you've told us. Your tenant is 20 days late on the rent and he doesn't have the money to pay. He has been there for a year. How did he end up in this situation? It didn't happen yesterday. It took a series of bad breaks to get where he is, I'm sure, but it also took some bad decisions on his part, and he is responsible for those. If you DON'T evict here, you're offering one of two things -- an opportunity for this person to radically change their behavior or an opportunity to keep on as they have been keeping on.

Which opportunity do you think you're offering? If it's not the first, then you evict. Because ultimately, it's the kindest thing you can do. You evict because that's the only message that will really get through the psychological blinders this guy has been living with. Do it decisively, do it according to the law, give this person every opportunity to get the help he needs to change his life.

I don't feel guilty today about the evictions I have initiated and seen through. I did not make the decision to evict in anger or out of spite, or based on what would financially benefit me the most. I stepped away from enabling an adult not to hit the rock bottom they needed to hit in order to make their decision to change.

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  • Ned J.Pro Member
    Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    Empathy, yes.....sympathy, no.....

  • Realtor · WV · Member since 2018 · 454 posts · 310 votes
    7y

    @Cameron Riley it is a tough one but it’s not your responsibility to pay for him to have a place to stay. Stick to your policy and get him out and a good tenant in.

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
    7y

    @Max T.

    Well my process is a crappy process and I’ve been trying to remodel it and fight a right one

    Hard to do though when it seems every landlord has different standards and such. Everyone has recommended a slightly different process

    - No, I didn’t do the due diligence I should have, because he had a nice down payment.

    I have updated my minimum qualifications

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Theresa Harris

    Yes that is true and he’s racked up code violations

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Thomas S.

    True! Thanks for another good reply to me Thomas! Always appreciated !!!

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Shaun James

    I have a top 10, quotes, rules and reminders List inside my bedroom, I will be adding this to make it #11

    Thanks for this!

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Eric C.

    Hey! Can you go into more details of this eviction story? Seems kind of interesting!

    Thanks!

    ( I heard Florida is landlord friendly )

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Shawn Ackerman

    @Cameron Riley I've been there and it cost me $7,218.67. I kept giving this one tenant a "break" and she broke the bank LOL!!! This tenant was paying me partially for about 7 months. My hours on my check were not right, waiting for my retirement benefits, i'll pay the full balance next month.....and on and on. Finally she filed bankruptcy and I couldn't go after her for a nickel. Had to wait 45 days to evict with federal court approval. She owed me $4K and took the rest to rehab the unit and get it rented. So the moral of the story is, everyday you wait will cost you more and more nickels. Best of luck. Always remember to persist and you will WIN!!!!

    - Persist, as in keep bugging and stuff for the rent?

    - Why would you EVER need federal approval?

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
    7y

    @Syed H. LOL

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Thomas S.

    That tenant set my business practices going forward, best thing that could have happened. I never have to think about what to do, its all in the codes. Been operating by the book ever since.

    Response: Yes, I like that. Went into action right away!

    You served the eviction notice or another notice?

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Alex Craig

    Hate when tenants have no respect!

    But yes, me and you are the same in those aspects

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Mike Cumbie

    For me it is "Yes to all" however I have to choose what charities I am able to help. Feel guilty or don't feel guilty make sure your business is able to continue. Plenty of people give every extra cent to someone else and never launch. 

    Response: thank you for this! Great questions! Yes, I feel guilty to about HALF of those lol

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Caleb Heimsoth:

    @Cameron Riley I give zero thoughts to this because 1. Do you think the bank will care if I stop paying them because my tenant didn’t pay me? (Answer is no. My mortgage is still due).

    And 2. Do you think my tenant feels bad they didn’t pay me rent?? Again likely no

    True! the world is cold in those business aspects. Best to remove emotion but i do not know how to efficiently go about removing emotion!

  • Rental Property Investor · Rockford, IL · Member since 2018 · 84 posts · 140 votes
    7y

    @Cameron Riley You can't let the tenant make his / her problems your problems. They were well aware of the terms to your agreement when they signed. It's not your fault that they can't hold up their end of the bargain. I do feel bad when I give late fees to my tenants, however I would feel even worse if I were late on my mortgage payment.

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Danny Redding:

    @Cameron Riley

    I just had to give a 30 day notice to vacate to an inherited tenant (aka my own uncle) last month. Been there 7 years rent free due to unfortunate circumstances, otherwise he would have been on the street.

    But the time finally came when he needed to grow up and move out.

    Let me just say that now I have to replace every single appliance that was in the house (missing/grew legs) and finish repairs that he was provided materials and paid to do 7 years ago.

    Point is, if you’re own family will screw you over, imagine what will happen with people that barely know you.

    Keep it kind and courteous, but also be professional and adhere to your business practices.

    The lease, is the lease, is the lease. The law is the law. They understood and agreed when they signed it.

     Tips on how to keep it respectful but also make a point? Advice

  • John PattonPro Member
    Specialist · Ormond Beach Florida · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    It's a business at the end of the day. The agreement you had with him was a business agreement. Sometimes in business a deal goes south. No hard feelings. Maybe giving him cash for keys will make you sleep a little better and get him out sooner. You'll have learned something in the situation that will make you a better landlord in the future.

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Matthew Paul

    I would be very upset haha

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Brie Schmidt

    True! It really

    Is STEALING!

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Marc Winter

    Marc! I forgot you invest in Scranton!

    Was up there looking at some homes

    Some GREAT properties for cheap!

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Nancy P.

    Good story and I can kind of relate!

    God bless you

    Anyways, what was the purpose of being at your property at midnight?

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Erik Whiting

    Make this a PDF so I can print it!

    Great tips! God bless you

  • Real Estate Agent · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 3 votes
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    @jim k

    Beautifully stated. You comepletely summarized my current eviction. A tenant who lost his job and reached out for help, so I gave him budgeting advice and worked with him on rent payments that he stayed on top of. However even after the help, he still felt the need to be the victim. He hadnt hit bottom. I realized this in the third month of coaching him in personal finances, when he decided to waste his tax check on stuff amd then blame having to pay rent when his utilities got cut off. Eviction notice served in 24 hours. It was the only thing i knew to do to help him understand.

    I don't guilty, rather I feel sad with all the help he still refuses to accept its his fault.

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Doug Pintarch

    Hey! Does Harrisburg really have a vacation rental scene?

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Ray Harrell

    That’s how it needs to be

  • Rental Property Investor · Phila, PA · Member since 2018 · 554 posts · 118 votes
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    @Alissa Engel

    Hello! Thanks for the reply

    Yes, may I ask, why are you contingent on the tenants being evicted?

    - I like the idea of starting fresh with YOUR own select tenants as well

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