Systems on Requesting Funds from Guests Who Damaged furniture

Systems on Requesting Funds from Guests Who Damaged furniture

Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 286 posts · 67 votes

Hi fellow STR hosts,

We’ve had several instances where our cleaning team has reported damages to furniture upon checking in, such as major scratches on the new dining table or chipped nightstands. When we request money from guests, most of the time we get the answer that the furniture was like that when they checked in. We’re wondering if there’s a good system available to capture evidence on guests who damaged the house.

What is a good system to prove that damages were made during their stay, not before they stayed? It seems that it’s not realistic to have cleaners take photos of everything after they clean so that we can have evidence to show the guests that these damages did not exist before they checked in.

Any inputs will be greatly appreciated!

Lee

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Michael BaumPro Member
Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
3y

We have had one guest wipe out a futon (broke the frame) and all I did was use the AirBNB insurance and they paid out for a replacement.

VRBO offers up the damage insurance for guests and all of ours have selected it.

We had one guests kids break the arm off a rolling club chair. I just put in with Generali insurance and got paid for the repair.

I took photos of the damage and sent them off. Wham, got paid.

Did the same thing when a guest broke the window locking bar by slamming the window down with the lock engaged. No way to repair other than replace the entire window. They denied they did it. I took photos, got the estimate and got paid for it.

Other than that, that is all the damage we have had that was significant. I have had to replace a railing mount, re-glue some trim, etc. No charge to the guests for that sorts of stuff.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ and Rehoboth Beach DE · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    There are many hosts who do require their cleaners to photograph and/or video the entire place before they clean if there's a problem, and after they clean to prove they did a good job on the cleaning so the guest doesn't claim it was dirty when they arrived.  There is really no other way.  

  • Andrew SteffensBusiness Member
    Tampa, FL · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    Our housekeepers take 50-60 or so photos for the average property inside of our PMS which documents a lot.  There are some standalone apps that do this as well.

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    3y

    We have had one guest wipe out a futon (broke the frame) and all I did was use the AirBNB insurance and they paid out for a replacement.

    VRBO offers up the damage insurance for guests and all of ours have selected it.

    We had one guests kids break the arm off a rolling club chair. I just put in with Generali insurance and got paid for the repair.

    I took photos of the damage and sent them off. Wham, got paid.

    Did the same thing when a guest broke the window locking bar by slamming the window down with the lock engaged. No way to repair other than replace the entire window. They denied they did it. I took photos, got the estimate and got paid for it.

    Other than that, that is all the damage we have had that was significant. I have had to replace a railing mount, re-glue some trim, etc. No charge to the guests for that sorts of stuff.

  • Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 286 posts · 67 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Michael Baum:

    We have had one guest wipe out a futon (broke the frame) and all I did was use the AirBNB insurance and they paid out for a replacement.

    VRBO offers up the damage insurance for guests and all of ours have selected it.

    We had one guests kids break the arm off a rolling club chair. I just put in with Generali insurance and got paid for the repair.

    I took photos of the damage and sent them off. Wham, got paid.

    Did the same thing when a guest broke the window locking bar by slamming the window down with the lock engaged. No way to repair other than replace the entire window. They denied they did it. I took photos, got the estimate and got paid for it.

    Other than that, that is all the damage we have had that was significant. I have had to replace a railing mount, re-glue some trim, etc. No charge to the guests for that sorts of stuff.


     Michael

    Thank you for the info! I think this route might be a path of least hinderance to go. It seems that the quality of your guests is significantly higher: many of my units have been open for just a year and they are being torn apart!


    Thanks again!

    Lee

  • Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 286 posts · 67 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Andrew Steffens:

    Our housekeepers take 50-60 or so photos for the average property inside of our PMS which documents a lot.  There are some standalone apps that do this as well.


     Andrew

    Do you have a guideline or a link on what to include for cleaning teams? 


    Thanks

    Lee

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    3y

    Hey @Leon Lee, we rent primarily to families or multiple families or groups of older adults come to ride the bike trail.

    One thing we do is not do instant booking. We vet each and every guest before accepting the booking.

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Leon Lee:

    1. Documentation is key. Cleaners should document anything that justifies a charge. That could include additional cleaning if the guests wrecked the place, or damages to furniture, missing items, etc. I would start with at least a few pictures of each room prior to the first guest showing up. After they leave, pictures of specific items you may want to charge for, then updated pictures after they are done cleaning.

    2. Keep a credit card on file and have something in your agreement where the guest agrees to you charging them for additional cleaning, repairs, or missing items.

    3. Use insurance, if it's available.

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  • Andrew SteffensBusiness Member
    Tampa, FL · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Leon Lee:
    Quote from @Andrew Steffens:

    Our housekeepers take 50-60 or so photos for the average property inside of our PMS which documents a lot.  There are some standalone apps that do this as well.


     Andrew

    Do you have a guideline or a link on what to include for cleaning teams? 


    Thanks

    Lee


     Our cleaners are to take pics from 3-4 angles in all rooms + beds, couches, kitchen and bath surfaces.  It would be extreme to take pics of every square inch but having these as a baseline will really help fight any refunds from Airbnb or credit card chargebacks for quality issues.

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