Mashvisor's 100 Best Cities For Airbnb list is released. Thoughts?

Mashvisor's 100 Best Cities For Airbnb list is released. Thoughts?

Garrett BrownPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2024 · 519 posts · 560 votes

Short-term rental data specialist Mashvisor released its list of Best 100 Cities for Airbnb Rental Income and considered some key metrics in its decision-making. I glanced at the list and realized my scrolling finger should get ready to rumble.

These three cities from the rental income of $3,000-$4,000 list were on my list of markets to check out and helped validate my research even more:

#20 Richmond, Virginia: Airbnb rental income $3,247

#32 Round Rock, Texas: Airbnb rental income $3,418

#53 Henderson, Nevada: Airbnb rental income $3,909

    It is broken up by rental income segments ($2,000-$3,000; $3,000-$4,000, etc.), so some numbers overlap, but there are some excellent data points to consider.

    What are your thoughts on the list? It is slightly confusing how it is broken up, but they provided some interesting data points. They also have their own algorithm that calculates some of these things. 

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    JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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    Quote from @Michael Baum:
    Quote from @Quinn Olivarez:

    I do not understand why veteran forum posters piss all over these posts. Biggerpockets is a nexus within the REI community. Posts like this are what drive forum engagement, bc they can be dissected from various POVs. So why are mods trying to stifle that discussion? Do you think less experienced investors and forum posters will want to participate when mods behave this way?

    I am not pissing on this post @Quinn Olivarez. What we are pointing out is that this is a view of the market that changes constantly. The hot markets for STRs last month are different from the month before.

    We are dissecting the info. We are saying that you can't take these kinds of lists as gospel. There are places high on the list that I wouldn't drop a dime in and places that no one posts about that are great.

    The bottom line is this is a list based on simple metrics. Each investor has to drill down on an area based on a lot of other metrics including things specific to each person.

    The mods aren't trying to stifle anything. The mods haven't posted in this thread at all so I don't know what you are talking about on that point.

    @John Underwood, @Jay Hinrichs and I aren't moderators. We are just forum members who contribute a ton.

    I think it is important to point out that these sorts of lists that they can make you aware of new areas, but they are not the end all be all of decision making. 

    When a moderator posts there will be the word "moderator" next to their name. Like mine. Though members still need to keep in mind that moderators are allowed to have their own opinion on subjects that may or may not be the opinion of BP, though most of us will clarify if we are speaking on our own or with our moderator hat on. Anyway, I spend a lot of time in the STR forum and I didn't take either of you to be pissing on the post, especially since Jay, John and Michael are all major contributors to this forum and are pretty level headed overall. 
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    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      2y

      Vegas has pretty tight restrictions on STR it would be interesting to see how many homes are actually available to purchase there. However Property tax's some of the lowest in the coutnry and property maintenance same thing if you buy a stucco home with a tile roof.

      No real major weather threats like many markets  IE hail storms wind storms etc.. can get windy but thats common.. 

    • John UnderwoodPro Member
      Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
      2y

      This list is just one of many data points that can help identify areas.

      This is a 500 ft view, you still have to drill down into neighborhoods, streets and specific houses that will work well as a STR or Vacation rental (not just an airbnb).

      I look for higher end vacation rental properties above and beyond what people call airbnb's.

      A room in someone's house can be an "airbnb" after all.

      I love the new Vrbo commercial with Nick Saban. It is awesome.

    • Michael BaumPro Member
      Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
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      Hehe @Garrett Brown, yet another one.

      500ft view @John Underwood, more like 10k foot view! :)

    • Quinn OlivarezBusiness Member
      Real Estate Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2021 · 115 posts · 131 votes
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      I do not understand why veteran forum posters piss all over these posts. Biggerpockets is a nexus within the REI community. Posts like this are what drive forum engagement, bc they can be dissected from various POVs. So why are mods trying to stifle that discussion? Do you think less experienced investors and forum posters will want to participate when mods behave this way?

      Quinn Olivarez @ J. Lindsey Properties57 Reviews
    • Michael BaumPro Member
      Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
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      Quote from @Quinn Olivarez:

      I do not understand why veteran forum posters piss all over these posts. Biggerpockets is a nexus within the REI community. Posts like this are what drive forum engagement, bc they can be dissected from various POVs. So why are mods trying to stifle that discussion? Do you think less experienced investors and forum posters will want to participate when mods behave this way?

      I am not pissing on this post @Quinn Olivarez. What we are pointing out is that this is a view of the market that changes constantly. The hot markets for STRs last month are different from the month before.

      We are dissecting the info. We are saying that you can't take these kinds of lists as gospel. There are places high on the list that I wouldn't drop a dime in and places that no one posts about that are great.

      The bottom line is this is a list based on simple metrics. Each investor has to drill down on an area based on a lot of other metrics including things specific to each person.

      The mods aren't trying to stifle anything. The mods haven't posted in this thread at all so I don't know what you are talking about on that point.

      @John Underwood, @Jay Hinrichs and I aren't moderators. We are just forum members who contribute a ton.

      I think it is important to point out that these sorts of lists that they can make you aware of new areas, but they are not the end all be all of decision making. 

    • Garrett BrownPro Member
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      Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2024 · 519 posts · 560 votes
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      @Michael Baum , there will be a new one to cover next week I'm sure lol. The interesting thing about these lists is the vast difference in each STR data company's numbers. Investors have to dive further into the actual OTAs so they can learn true numbers. The lists are just talking points overall and I agree they should never be taken as a definitive answer to what market to invest in.

    • Michael BaumPro Member
      Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
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      Quote from @Garrett Brown:


      @Michael Baum , there will be a new one to cover next week I'm sure lol. The interesting thing about these lists is the vast difference in each STR data company's numbers. Investors have to dive further into the actual OTAs so they can learn true numbers. The lists are just talking points overall and I agree they should never be taken as a definitive answer to what market to invest in.

      Agreed! It just goes to show how divergent algorithms pulling data can be. They are trying to provide the same information but often have wildly differing results.
    • Garrett BrownPro Member
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      Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2024 · 519 posts · 560 votes
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      @Quinn Olivarez I completely agree that these types of posts are great for discussions, and that is why I make them. I didn't take it as pissing on my post, but I do hear you, though, as I have seen a few instances of this. I love hearing everyone's POVs on topics, especially as I try to expand myself and find new intriguing markets. I hope new members feel encouraged to participate here! I'm in the Houston market as well. Let me know if you have any STR deals coming, especially in The Woodlands/Conroe area!

    • JD MartinBusiness Member
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      Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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      Quote from @Michael Baum:
      Quote from @Quinn Olivarez:

      I do not understand why veteran forum posters piss all over these posts. Biggerpockets is a nexus within the REI community. Posts like this are what drive forum engagement, bc they can be dissected from various POVs. So why are mods trying to stifle that discussion? Do you think less experienced investors and forum posters will want to participate when mods behave this way?

      I am not pissing on this post @Quinn Olivarez. What we are pointing out is that this is a view of the market that changes constantly. The hot markets for STRs last month are different from the month before.

      We are dissecting the info. We are saying that you can't take these kinds of lists as gospel. There are places high on the list that I wouldn't drop a dime in and places that no one posts about that are great.

      The bottom line is this is a list based on simple metrics. Each investor has to drill down on an area based on a lot of other metrics including things specific to each person.

      The mods aren't trying to stifle anything. The mods haven't posted in this thread at all so I don't know what you are talking about on that point.

      @John Underwood, @Jay Hinrichs and I aren't moderators. We are just forum members who contribute a ton.

      I think it is important to point out that these sorts of lists that they can make you aware of new areas, but they are not the end all be all of decision making. 

      When a moderator posts there will be the word "moderator" next to their name. Like mine. Though members still need to keep in mind that moderators are allowed to have their own opinion on subjects that may or may not be the opinion of BP, though most of us will clarify if we are speaking on our own or with our moderator hat on. Anyway, I spend a lot of time in the STR forum and I didn't take either of you to be pissing on the post, especially since Jay, John and Michael are all major contributors to this forum and are pretty level headed overall. 
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    • Dave StokleyBusiness Member
      Property Manager · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 705 posts · 799 votes
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      As anyone who knows what they're doing in the STR world can see, the list is worthless.

      One reason being they just have crap data. For example, the only market in Ohio that made the list is Shaker Heights, where STR is explicitly illegal and the city actively and aggressively shuts them down. That said, it can be a fantastic MTR market (if you know what you're looking for and have the network to find the guests).

      But moreover, why would anyone need a list of 100 cities?!?
    • Investor · Member since 2015 · 223 posts · 173 votes
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      Quote from @Dave Stokley:
      As anyone who knows what they're doing in the STR world can see, the list is worthless.

      One reason being they just have crap data. For example, the only market in Ohio that made the list is Shaker Heights, where STR is explicitly illegal and the city actively and aggressively shuts them down. That said, it can be a fantastic MTR market (if you know what you're looking for and have the network to find the guests).

      But moreover, why would anyone need a list of 100 cities?!?

      I agree.  Why not make the list The Top 500 Cities.  Same fluff. 

      For example: 

      Milwaukee, WI
      • Airbnb Rental Income: $3,452
      • Airbnb Daily Rate: $128
      • Airbnb Occupancy Rate: 59%
      • Airbnb Cash on Cash Return: 4.22%
      • Median Property Price: $476,223
      • Property Price per Square Foot: $269
      • Days on Market: 49

      I own 2 STRs in this city and the occupancy rate overall is about 20% according to AirDNA. Both properties are in sought-after upscale neighborhoods and fetch only ca. $1,500-2,000/month. There are zero zoning restrictions, so the market is beyond saturated. I would not start another STR there. The mortgages are paid on my two properties, so cashflow is pretty easy at this point, but to start now at today's interest rates...no, thank you.

    • Investor · FL · Member since 2016 · 332 posts · 388 votes
      2y

      I would expect more from Mashvisor.  This data will have uniformed/new people buying terrible properties which could literally destroy them financially.  This is reckless journalism. I remember when Vacasa put out the same type of data and laughed when it showed one of my markets as a top 5 choice.  They gave the rental income cap rate of beachfront properties, but gave the avg price of a homes two to five miles from the beach.  I had almost a dozen friends emailing and texting me asking why they can't find a $400k beach property in the area with those returns.  I had to give them the bad news, there were no beach properties that cheap and the real prices are $1M to $5M.

      These articles pull the sales data for zip codes which can span over 100 sq miles, but then show the income data from a small area (1 to 10 sq miles) within the zip code. This is not nay saying, urinating on or being negative, this is seasoned STR investors not wanting others to fail. It is bad intel to make decisions on.

    • Rental Property Investor · Worcester, MA · Member since 2018 · 131 posts · 135 votes
      2y

      Bourne, MA is an odd one to see so high in my opinion. Cape Cod is HIGHLY seasonal and basically goes dead from October through April. Plus it's right over the bridge, so its reasonable for MA residents to live there full time. You're paying MA home prices (which are outrageous right not) for a property that will be hard pressed to exceed 60% occupancy. If you could work it into a combination STR/MTR and rent mid-term to people working in the area for the down months, the market could work, but aside from that I don't see a ton of value in that market for the prices you have to pay, you basically have to make a years worth of expenses in a 4-5 month span.

      I don't have specific knowledge of any of the other markets on the list, but based on this one it seems like not much analysis went in to any of these properties and its strictly based on a rough estimates of revenue.

    • Collin HaysBusiness Member
      Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
      2y

      There's nothing new under the sun with good vacation rental areas.  That's just click bait.

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