Rental Property Investor · NYC · Member since 2024 · 43 posts · 9 votes
We have a house on 3 acres near a neighborhood, and we're considering listing it on Airbnb. After some research, we connected with a local Airbnb manager who took a look at the property and was very complimentary. He quoted a 20% fee for managing each successful booking and suggested we improve the staging of the house, which he would oversee for an additional 10% of the total staging costs.
He provided a list of staging products, and now we’re realizing just how expensive it is to get the house ready for Airbnb. We’re wondering if these fees and processes are standard for short-term rentals. This is our first time with STRs, and we’re willing to learn. If things go well, we plan to manage it ourselves and possibly expand. What steps can we take to ensure a better experience and maximize bookings?
Lender · Eugene, OR · Member since 2019 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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Michael, When you say: "a local Airbnb manager", I'm guessing that you mean a Short-Term Rental manager, as in property management for short-term rentals. That said, 20% seems to be the going rate for STR prop management. Next, do you need all the latest design, decor and high-end features right off the bat? Can you build your STR business and have the business pay for reasonable upgrades over time? Yes. It sounds like you could use professional assistance, but it would be nice if you could get the guidance for free. Airbnb pays "Airbnb SuperHost Ambassadors" to guide and advise new Hosts, with no cost to the new Host. https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/2700 DM me if you would like professional consulting for FREE. Mike
Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2024 · 505 posts · 551 votes
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20% is the going rate on average for a STR property manager. Are you too busy to get a furnishing checklist (BiggerPockets has one, and there are many) and get everything set up? 10% is probably a little steep, and like John said, a flat fee may be more reasonable. Setting up a proper STR is not cheap, but once you are set up properly, you deal with routine breakage. I recommend managing yourself and saving the 20% personally, getting a rockstar cleaning team and a reliable handy person, using something like Hospitable that can help automate messaging when listing, and reading the book from the bookstore here called Short-Term Rental, Long-Term Wealth. It is a great resource to get started, and I guarantee you can make it happen with some education/solid team.
Well 20% sounds quite reasonable. I'm seeing 25-30% for STR management in Colorado (more if your vacation rental is near ski areas like Breckenridge or Vail).
About the staging ... you mean furnishings, right? (I use "staging" to mean temporary furniture when selling a property.) Do some research on Airbnb and short-term rentals in your area. Do you have AirDNA? If so, plug your address in there and see what the comparable properties are doing.
In my opinion, Airbnb is a professionals game now. You've got to bring your A-game in all aspects. Great design, killer amenities, strong communication and professional photos. I tell my Colorado STR clients to pay the extra for a designer. The revenue difference between like-kind homes that have the design and those that don't is stark.
Like others said, counter with a flat fee. You want to get good stuff, but there's no reason to pay them more for buying expensive furniture. (Also, ask them who they use to design it.)
Rental Property Investor · Phoenix, AZ and Rehoboth Beach DE · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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The 10% is probably for ordering items and being there when goods arrive, unboxing and removal of packing materials, assembling any furniture that needs it, placement and moving things around, putting up artwork, and washing new plates, silverware, cooking pans, coffee carafe, prewashing all sheets, towels, and linens etc.
I completely outfitted my 4 bedroom house from scratch a few years ago, and it was a huge amount of time and work. And money. It cost about 30k to buy everything. 10% of that would have been cheap if I had paid someone to do it.
Remember that if you later take over and manage it yourselves, you'll need to start a new account from scratch - your previous reviews with that property manager won't transfer. Bookings are lower in the beginning, when guests don't have reviews to read. So if that's your goal in the near future, you should start off by just managing it yourself.
Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
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Hey @Michael Belz. So everyone else said it best, but let's see the place!
Post some pics so we can get a feel for the place. We might be able to give some guidance on what to update. Maybe save some cashola in the polish of the place.
In the end, getting started isn't a easy row to hoe. \
EDIT - Don't forget that you need to list it on VRBO as well and not just AirBNB.
Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2022 · 68 posts · 31 votes
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@Michael Belz that sounds about right to me. Not sure about the staging fee, but my STR property manager in Denver takes 18% of profits (does not including cleaning fees as part of the profits)
Well 20% sounds quite reasonable. I'm seeing 25-30% for STR management in Colorado (more if your vacation rental is near ski areas like Breckenridge or Vail).
About the staging ... you mean furnishings, right? (I use "staging" to mean temporary furniture when selling a property.) Do some research on Airbnb and short-term rentals in your area. Do you have AirDNA? If so, plug your address in there and see what the comparable properties are doing.
In my opinion, Airbnb is a professionals game now. You've got to bring your A-game in all aspects. Great design, killer amenities, strong communication and professional photos. I tell my Colorado STR clients to pay the extra for a designer. The revenue difference between like-kind homes that have the design and those that don't is stark.
Like others said, counter with a flat fee. You want to get good stuff, but there's no reason to pay them more for buying expensive furniture. (Also, ask them who they use to design it.)
@James Carlson totally agree with you here, Luxe properties especially require staging. @Michael Belz Photos are the only marketing you have when it comes to Airbnb... we onboarded 3 large homes in upstate NY 1.5 years ago, we brought in models, candles, throws, extra decor and the properties are beating their comps who had nice quality but un-staged photos by around 18%.
Totally. I have an STR investor who owns in Florissant outside of Woodland Park/Colorado Springs. AirDNA projected $50k for their place. They designed the hell out of it, added a hot tub, and they're averaging $80k for the first two years.
I see this over and over. Well-designed short-term rentals in Colorado outperform their similar vacation rentals that aren't designed by 20% or more.
Totally. I have an STR investor who owns in Florissant outside of Woodland Park/Colorado Springs. AirDNA projected $50k for their place. They designed the hell out of it, added a hot tub, and they're averaging $80k for the first two years.
I see this over and over. Well-designed short-term rentals in Colorado outperform their similar vacation rentals that aren't designed by 20% or more.
AirDNA projected numbers are awful. I don't think they can tell the difference from properties that are booked on other sites besides airbnb. And I don't think they can differentiate from homes that owners use for their own purposes.
But great story on how they almost doubled the projection by having a high end design.
Rental Property Investor · Manteno, IL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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Everyone seems to be saying that the 10% for staging is high but I actually think thats a great deal. So if you need 20k in staging, the pm is only going to charge 2k to go pick out all the stuff and set it up? Thats a no brainer. if its 10k in staging, they're going to get it all in place for 1k? Again, thats a no brainer.
Getting units ready for rent is much more time intensive than you think. Its well worth it if you can get them to do it for 10% of the costs. Take that and run!
Totally. I have an STR investor who owns in Florissant outside of Woodland Park/Colorado Springs. AirDNA projected $50k for their place. They designed the hell out of it, added a hot tub, and they're averaging $80k for the first two years.
I see this over and over. Well-designed short-term rentals in Colorado outperform their similar vacation rentals that aren't designed by 20% or more.
AirDNA projected numbers are awful. I don't think they can tell the difference from properties that are booked on other sites besides airbnb. And I don't think they can differentiate from homes that owners use for their own purposes.
But great story on how they almost doubled the projection by having a high end design.
Correct. Definitely don’t go off the projected numbers. The comps of actual listings and how much they generate is way more accurate in my experience
Tampa, FL · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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Chiming in as a FL based STR PM - 20% is definitely reasonable. I see higher, and if you pay lower they are making up for it somewhere else (hard to run a low margin business). As far as staging support, we do not offer that service, instead refer it to some designers. We can assist with some minor items and bill the labor fee (i.e. hanging TV's, building some furniture, etc). I would talk to a designer if you can. Not sure how extensive your furnishing is. Personally from the business side I would not be charging a % on the items, rather just hourly or a flat rate depending on the size.
Rental Property Investor · NYC · Member since 2024 · 43 posts · 9 votes
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Thank you all for the valuable insights. The short-term rental manager is handling all bookings and creating the listing under his brand. My concern is that when we take over, we’ll need to start from scratch with our own branding. Is there any way for us to be listed as the host now, or do we have to wait until our agreement with him ends? And when we do take over the listing, is there anything we can do at that point to make the transition smoother?
Regarding purchasing the necessary items, my wife has opted to oversee that and find great deals on what’s needed. We’ll consider additional upgrades, like a jacuzzi, once we see how well the property performs. As for the 10% fee for overseeing setup, I understand this is in addition to the cost of hiring someone to physically set everything up.
Real Estate Consultant · OH · Member since 2023 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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If you want a successful STR then yes, it's standard. If you want to take a risk and possibly come back in a year wondering what to do with a property that is performing poorly, then no it's not necessary.
Thank you all for the valuable insights. The short-term rental manager is handling all bookings and creating the listing under his brand. My concern is that when we take over, we’ll need to start from scratch with our own branding. Is there any way for us to be listed as the host now, or do we have to wait until our agreement with him ends? And when we do take over the listing, is there anything we can do at that point to make the transition smoother?
Regarding purchasing the necessary items, my wife has opted to oversee that and find great deals on what’s needed. We’ll consider additional upgrades, like a jacuzzi, once we see how well the property performs. As for the 10% fee for overseeing setup, I understand this is in addition to the cost of hiring someone to physically set everything up.
The listing question was asked on another thread as well. If you want a good listing that is using pricing software, automated messaging, automated notification to cleaners, etc., then no you cannot be a host on the listing. Otherwise, it messes everything up with integration of software, and I would hope the PM you're hiring uses them. What company have you chosen? With some of your concerns I'm wondering if they are a good fit for you and if you're feeling comfortable, or if self-managing would be a better option.