Are other people really people? Or merely objects?

Are other people really people? Or merely objects?

Collin HaysBusiness Member
Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes

I’ve encountered this all day today.  People lying, not returning phone calls, angling for something. Trying to leverage me for something extra. Something more.

We have reached a low point in our society. Everyone but me is an object; an obstacle preventing me from getting what I want (more $$$).  
It matters not whether I lie, steal, and cheat.  It’s all about getting as much as I can, from whom I can, while I can. If it’s in the contract that I can screw you, then screw you I must, because it’s my legal right to do so. Common grace and courtesy are relics of some old black and white Christmas tale.  

This country is going to eat itself from the inside out.

Sorry for the rant.  

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Laurence J.Pro Member
Rental Property Investor · Chicago IL · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 46 votes
3mo

@Collin Hays I'll share my personal thoughts on this... I think we lost our way thinking that all rights are free. But rights should come with obligations. If I have a right to decency, then I must also have an obligation to decency too. This happens when we lose our sense of community and belonging. And hopefully we can all work to repair that. Let me know if there's anything I can do, no strings attached, to help you today or in the future. 

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  • MD/DC · Member since 2024 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3mo

    It’s a different world now. I tell myself that is what makes it easy for each generation to hand off the baton. 

  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    3mo

    People are crazy for sure and not getting any better.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3mo

    "Investor friendly" 🤣 

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3mo

    Hopefully today will be a better day @Collin Hays

    But yes you are not alone..

  • Laurence J.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Chicago IL · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 46 votes
    3mo

    @Collin Hays I'll share my personal thoughts on this... I think we lost our way thinking that all rights are free. But rights should come with obligations. If I have a right to decency, then I must also have an obligation to decency too. This happens when we lose our sense of community and belonging. And hopefully we can all work to repair that. Let me know if there's anything I can do, no strings attached, to help you today or in the future. 

    BiggerPockets
  • Mike GrudzienPro Member
    Lender · Eugene, OR · Member since 2019 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3mo

    Collin,
    Don't hold back.  What's really on your mind?  (LOL)

    I agree.  I don't want to belie my age or generation, but what has happened to the world???

  • Andrew SteffensBusiness Member
    Tampa, FL · Member since 2022 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3mo

    Had a check in 4th of july weekend (same day turn) and the cleaners were still wrapping up at 410pm when guests arrived.  They were verbally bashed and then so was my ops manager for the "inconvenience" and demanded a free night.  I dragged it out to almost 10pm and told them they had an hour to gather their things and leave.  I own the property and am fine with a bad review if I get one.  Maybe next time they will think twice before treating people so poorly - the whole beach are was sold out so they likely had to move 30 mins or more late at night.

    • MD/DC · Member since 2024 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      3mo
      Quote from @Andrew Steffens:

      Had a check in 4th of july weekend (same day turn) and the cleaners were still wrapping up at 410pm when guests arrived.  They were verbally bashed and then so was my ops manager for the "inconvenience" and demanded a free night.  I dragged it out to almost 10pm and told them they had an hour to gather their things and leave.  I own the property and am fine with a bad review if I get one.  Maybe next time they will think twice before treating people so poorly - the whole beach are was sold out so they likely had to move 30 mins or more late at night.


       While I’m sorry that even happened I appreciate you for requiring basic decency from your guests and that you were willing to dig into your pocket to make it happen. I’m betting your staff admire and will work extra hard for you.


  • V.G JasonPro Member
    Investor · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3mo
    Quote from @Collin Hays:

    I’ve encountered this all day today.  People lying, not returning phone calls, angling for something. Trying to leverage me for something extra. Something more.

    We have reached a low point in our society. Everyone but me is an object; an obstacle preventing me from getting what I want (more $$$).  
    It matters not whether I lie, steal, and cheat.  It’s all about getting as much as I can, from whom I can, while I can. If it’s in the contract that I can screw you, then screw you I must, because it’s my legal right to do so. Common grace and courtesy are relics of some old black and white Christmas tale.  

    This country is going to eat itself from the inside out.

    Sorry for the rant.  


    Resonate with the technocrats.

    The best interaction with other humans is no interaction.

    Give it a lot of time, like a lot. But ASI & AGI will let us do that.
  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    3mo

    Hey @Collin Hays, maybe you are the object. Everyone else is doing things to you. Like an object. Like slamming a door and the like...

    Hmmmmm? Turn it all around! :)

    • Collin HaysBusiness Member
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      Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
      3mo
      Quote from @Michael Baum:

      Hey @Collin Hays, maybe you are the object. Everyone else is doing things to you. Like an object. Like slamming a door and the like...

      Hmmmmm? Turn it all around! :)


      Yeah, I am constantly trying to avoid viewing other people as objects. It is our nature to do so, but that doesn't mean we capitulate to it. Our nature is to do everything we can to suit ourselves, and everyone else can go jump in the creek.

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