Million dollars: Multifamily or short term vacation rental??

Million dollars: Multifamily or short term vacation rental??

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We have multiple single family long term rental properties in our portfolio (being self managed) and are looking to add/diversify. We have about a million budget and are trying to decide between getting a tri or quadplex close to home for long term rentals and continue to self manage or invest in a short term vacation property up in the TN or NC mountains near a city with plenty of tourism (Gatlinburg, Asheville, etc.) what would you do and why??

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Investor · Metro East of St. Louis (Illinois) · Member since 2016 · 259 posts · 211 votes
4y

@Chaits J. The market possibilities are nearly limitless.  I am in the Metro East of STL, but I've also done this same model on the outskirts of Sacramento, CA.

Middle America is full of medium-sized cities with various universities, military bases, refineries, or other big business/organizational population draws. These towns always have a few mid-grade hotels and therefore DEFINITELY have STR demand.

1. Call the city planning department to verify legality/regulation/taxes

2. Buy a small house or 4-plex with 1-2 bedrooms

3. Renovate with nice/clean design features (can't feel old and dark)

4. Hire two cleaning people and two on-call maintenance repair people to rotate in/out

5. Get a hospitable.com account and automate absolutely everything (messaging/reviews/cleaning notifications/etc)

6. List on AirBnB/VRBO with awesome pictures

BONUS: Split one of the 4-plex units into two, making a 5-plex and then cash-out refi based on income appraisal (not comps).  If you pull that off, you win.

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  • Rental Property Investor · RVA · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    4y

    Multifamily all the way. Or storage, but that wasn't on your list. Short term rentals have too much regulatory risk and (IMO) are likely oversupplied in many markets.

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    If you are self managing and put a million into the Smokies, you will probably generate 150 - 200k gross on that property at this point in time.  What will you gross in multifamily?  Probably not near that much.

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    4y

    Hey @Rosemary Saleeba, it's hard not to agree with @Ken Boone on this. You have a bunch of performing properties and branching out to a STR isn't a bad idea.

    Pigeon Forge, Gatlinburg et al in the Great Smokie Mountain region seems to be the way to go. There are several folks on here with large homes in that area that are doing very well.

    Hit up @Luke Carl and @Avery Carl on this subject area.

  • Real Estate Agent · orlando, FL · Member since 2009 · 159 posts · 121 votes
    4y

    When I combine them. I have a quadplex and a triplex that a short-term rental. Get the performance of a short-term rental property with the security of a multi-family. 

  • Investor · Metro East of St. Louis (Illinois) · Member since 2016 · 259 posts · 211 votes
    4y

    @Mike Shulman  My thoughts exactly.

    @Rosemary Saleeba Let me challenge that decision by combining the two.  What if you buy a 4-plex in a nice suburban area with a Hilton Garden Inn or Marriott nearby...but not a vacation market.  No heavy remodeling, but spruce it up with paint and nicely furnished.

    1. You'll double LTR revenues.

    2. If regulation from the city hits, you can always go back to LTR, or do furnished MTR.

    3. Fair warning...this is a blended business model that feels a lot more hotel-ish.

    4. You can often find these buildings with commercial zoning already in-place, limiting your exposure to residential regulation.

  • Collin HaysBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    4y

    I think diversification is always a good idea. A blend of income producing properties gives you a better hedge against inevitable downturns.  

    I do think real returns in the Smokies are often heavily embellished/over-optimistic.  I've been investing in the Smokies since 2005.  The returns can be very good, however.

  • Investor · Princeton, NJ · Member since 2017 · 105 posts · 22 votes
    4y
    Originally posted by @Alex S.:

    @Mike Shulman  My thoughts exactly.

    @Rosemary Saleeba Let me challenge that decision by combining the two.  What if you buy a 4-plex in a nice suburban area with a Hilton Garden Inn or Marriott nearby...but not a vacation market.  No heavy remodeling, but spruce it up with paint and nicely furnished.

    1. You'll double LTR revenues.

    2. If regulation from the city hits, you can always go back to LTR, or do furnished MTR.

    3. Fair warning...this is a blended business model that feels a lot more hotel-ish.

    4. You can often find these buildings with commercial zoning already in-place, limiting your exposure to residential regulation.

     ===========================

    I just started looking into this blended model and like the way you broke it down. Any specific markets/zip codes you suggest ?

  • Member since 2021 · 1 post · 0 votes
    4y

    Hi Rosemary,

    I'm soon to be graduating college and looking into buying my first investment in this area. Would you be willing to take a few minutes to virtually meet with me over coffee (Starbucks E-gift card) so I could ask you some questions about the area?

    Thank You,

    Gregory

  • Lender · Asheville, NC · Member since 2020 · 463 posts · 507 votes
    4y

    Hi @Rosemary Saleeba and others. I would struggle with this decision as well, but would also lean towards diversifying and focusing on STR and single family, if anything because we have very little small multi supply in our region.

    Our general region continues to draw more and more people, and not just for vacations, which seems to put our equity on a strong growth trajectory for years to come. 

    Also, with STR, you can do way better in some small towns than others. For a start, perhaps look at average rates per town in Airdna, and compare to average sale prices. And as you probably know, in any of the markets you can do way better than others if your photos, decor, features, and reviews are standout.

  • Member since 2019 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    4y

    @Rosemary Saleeba

    Multifamily all the way. I just looked at a deal where a million (plus a bank loan) would get you 75 units. Solid long term cash flow that will pay dividends to you for decades.

    My concern with high exposure to short term rentals is regulatory risk. The cash flow on them can be great, but the municipality can pass an ordinance overnight disallowing short-term rentals in single-family zoning, destroying your income property immediately. I have some STRs in my portfolio, but intentionally limit the amount of them. Multifamily on the other hand, has a severe shortage across the country that isn't looking like it will be filled anytime soon.

  • Investor · Centerville, UT · Member since 2020 · 61 posts · 47 votes
    4y

    Diversification is important. I do not think there is a right or a wrong answer. Both directions have advantages. Your decision depends on your short term and long term goals with your next step. If you are looking to maximize cash flow as a strategy to use to build up your portfolio, STR is a great way to go. If your strategy is to make a long term investment to shore up your steady cash flow and potentially sale a long term multi that increases in value to due rent performance, go with multi. In the end, I feel that it is good to go with the one that fascinates you or interests you the most. For me personally, I am giddy about vacation rentals. Good luck!

  • Investor · Metro East of St. Louis (Illinois) · Member since 2016 · 259 posts · 211 votes
    4y

    @Chaits J. The market possibilities are nearly limitless.  I am in the Metro East of STL, but I've also done this same model on the outskirts of Sacramento, CA.

    Middle America is full of medium-sized cities with various universities, military bases, refineries, or other big business/organizational population draws. These towns always have a few mid-grade hotels and therefore DEFINITELY have STR demand.

    1. Call the city planning department to verify legality/regulation/taxes

    2. Buy a small house or 4-plex with 1-2 bedrooms

    3. Renovate with nice/clean design features (can't feel old and dark)

    4. Hire two cleaning people and two on-call maintenance repair people to rotate in/out

    5. Get a hospitable.com account and automate absolutely everything (messaging/reviews/cleaning notifications/etc)

    6. List on AirBnB/VRBO with awesome pictures

    BONUS: Split one of the 4-plex units into two, making a 5-plex and then cash-out refi based on income appraisal (not comps).  If you pull that off, you win.

  • Ryan MoyerBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Orlando Kissimmee Davenport Salt Lake City, Park City · Member since 2019 · 993 posts · 1k+ votes
    4y
    Originally posted by @Zander Kempf:

    @Rosemary Saleeba

    Multifamily all the way. I just looked at a deal where a million (plus a bank loan) would get you 75 units. Solid long term cash flow that will pay dividends to you for decades.

    My concern with high exposure to short term rentals is regulatory risk. The cash flow on them can be great, but the municipality can pass an ordinance overnight disallowing short-term rentals in single-family zoning, destroying your income property immediately. I have some STRs in my portfolio, but intentionally limit the amount of them. Multifamily on the other hand, has a severe shortage across the country that isn't looking like it will be filled anytime soon.

    If I'm reading OP's post correctly I think he is saying he has budgeted for a $1m property.  That that he has $1m in cash to use as a down payment on a much more expensive property.

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  • Investor · Princeton, NJ · Member since 2017 · 105 posts · 22 votes
    4y
    Originally posted by @Alex S.:

    @Chaits J. The market possibilities are nearly limitless.  I am in the Metro East of STL, but I've also done this same model on the outskirts of Sacramento, CA.

    Middle America is full of medium-sized cities with various universities, military bases, refineries, or other big business/organizational population draws. These towns always have a few mid-grade hotels and therefore DEFINITELY have STR demand.

    1. Call the city planning department to verify legality/regulation/taxes

    2. Buy a small house or 4-plex with 1-2 bedrooms

    3. Renovate with nice/clean design features (can't feel old and dark)

    4. Hire two cleaning people and two on-call maintenance repair people to rotate in/out

    5. Get a hospitable.com account and automate absolutely everything (messaging/reviews/cleaning notifications/etc)

    6. List on AirBnB/VRBO with awesome pictures

    BONUS: Split one of the 4-plex units into two, making a 5-plex and then cash-out refi based on income appraisal (not comps).  If you pull that off, you win.

    Thank you! Will start my research/hunt now. 

  • Investor · Princeton, NJ · Member since 2017 · 105 posts · 22 votes
    4y
    thank you, this is very helpful

    Originally posted by @Alex S.:

    @Chaits J. The market possibilities are nearly limitless.  I am in the Metro East of STL, but I've also done this same model on the outskirts of Sacramento, CA.

    Middle America is full of medium-sized cities with various universities, military bases, refineries, or other big business/organizational population draws. These towns always have a few mid-grade hotels and therefore DEFINITELY have STR demand.

    1. Call the city planning department to verify legality/regulation/taxes

    2. Buy a small house or 4-plex with 1-2 bedrooms

    3. Renovate with nice/clean design features (can't feel old and dark)

    4. Hire two cleaning people and two on-call maintenance repair people to rotate in/out

    5. Get a hospitable.com account and automate absolutely everything (messaging/reviews/cleaning notifications/etc)

    6. List on AirBnB/VRBO with awesome pictures

    BONUS: Split one of the 4-plex units into two, making a 5-plex and then cash-out refi based on income appraisal (not comps).  If you pull that off, you win.

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