Cleveland, leaving the Army for Education/Investing.

Cleveland, leaving the Army for Education/Investing.

Shaker Heights, OH · Member since 2013 · 26 posts · 8 votes

Just left the Army to pursue my degree with the GI BILL and looking at getting a duplex at first and then a few more as funds become available. Heres how I see the first deal looking. I am interested in owning rentals, leverage, property management and long term I would like to do development on a larger scale as in doing my own commercial spaces or large scale residential.

Ive been saving for a few years and just got back from Afghanistan so I want to purchase a duplex and over the next year add unto three. Based on the market for a solid starting point Im looking at around total budget of $40-45k to purchase and rehab a place that puts out about $550 per unit at $1100/month.

I would be paying cash, yearly taxes vary from $1800-$3000/year. I will screen and place tenants personally for the first two years.

So finances in abstract look like this. $45,000 in. (20/25k break down between purchase and rehab.)

$1,100.00x12 = $13,200

$13,200 - (3k tax, 3k maintenance, 1k landlords insurance, 1k misc expenses)

$5,200 gross profit per year. Pays off in 9 years.

Im looking at MLS, craigslist, fannie mae, freddie mac, hud and word of mouth. Any other outlets I should consider? Other advice. I plan to let that first property add up rent for a year while I get another one up to speed and depending on cash flow, cash balance and how solid I am feeling with the tenants I have and the character of the houses I bought (are they sucking more or less money to maintain as I expected?). After a year or two I can use cash and leverage each asset by maybe 50% of appraised value to make a bigger purchase of perhaps a larger multi unit property etc.

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Flipper/Rehabber · Mentor, OH · Member since 2011 · 121 posts · 51 votes
12y

I too like Lakewood but the taxes in Lakewood are very high and I really do not think the marginal higher rent makes up the difference. Yes property values are higher but if you are interested in cash flow I would look into Westside of Cleveland from about West 125th street and east. The zip code is 44111. It is basically broken into two sections: 125th-149th is less desirable but you can pick homes up for much cheaper and rent is between 400-600 a month depending on bedrooms, upkeep etc. 150th on is a really great spot in Cleveland but mostly SFH. Two of my rentals are in the first section I mentioned and I am really pleased with the amount invested, tenants I have and cash flow. The other section of Cleveland I really like to Old Brooklyn for the same reasons above.

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  • Flipper/Rehabber · Mentor, OH · Member since 2011 · 121 posts · 51 votes
    12y

    First Thank you for your service. Second have you given a thought of using the VA loan to get a double and live in one unit and rent the other. After a year you could look to acquire a second property using the money you have saved up. Just a thought and a way for you to acquire two properties in a year. I live in the area and own two doubles on the west side of Cleveland. The first I bought was bought using the teacher next door program that HUD offers. It really help me accelerate my goal of owning 3 rental properties in 3 years. If I can be of any help to you please let me know.

  • Lakewood, OH · Member since 2013 · 193 posts · 60 votes
    12y

    Greetings!

    Aside from the sad loss to the patriots by 1point, there are a ton of opportunities on the Westside, just looked at 4 today....

    Great cap rates 20%+

  • Shaker Heights, OH · Member since 2013 · 26 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    Yeah that loss to the Pats was tough, some real questionable calls by the refs as well! Any recommendations on neighborhoods? @John Ellis

    @John Ellis undefined I am going back to school and thus will have a break in income and cash is where I feel safest right now. I want to have a rock solid base to build on but I am totally on board with what your saying in principle and had myself considered doing that as a part of broader plan. Because of the VA loan, patriot loans for small business owned by vets and other programs I have some good tools in my box but I don't want to use everything up. I think paying in cash the first one all the way through and having some room for inflation of costs etc and then adding the second on cash after sufficient cushion has been saved up. (I am conservative so I will go with ten months rent in cash in an escrow type account for each property before funds can spill over into general cash/acquasition fund). Thats how I plan to roll and do this under an LLC. You are totally right though about the VA loan. I plan to buy the first place as an owner occupier and live in one unit, rent the other. After a few years I can then 1031 the proceeds from the sale of that house to upgrade my personal residence all the while continuing as usual under the LLC. I will remain flexible and speak with a qualified attorney and accountant before I sign anything.

  • Lakewood, OH · Member since 2013 · 193 posts · 60 votes
    12y

    stay on the West side.

    Lakewood, Brooklyn, Parma have good deals.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Mentor, OH · Member since 2011 · 121 posts · 51 votes
    12y

    I too like Lakewood but the taxes in Lakewood are very high and I really do not think the marginal higher rent makes up the difference. Yes property values are higher but if you are interested in cash flow I would look into Westside of Cleveland from about West 125th street and east. The zip code is 44111. It is basically broken into two sections: 125th-149th is less desirable but you can pick homes up for much cheaper and rent is between 400-600 a month depending on bedrooms, upkeep etc. 150th on is a really great spot in Cleveland but mostly SFH. Two of my rentals are in the first section I mentioned and I am really pleased with the amount invested, tenants I have and cash flow. The other section of Cleveland I really like to Old Brooklyn for the same reasons above.

  • Lakewood, OH · Member since 2013 · 193 posts · 60 votes
    12y

    I agree with what John just said. Nice pinpoint of the streets and zips...

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    Investor · Maui, HI · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    Hey @Joseph Gibbons welcome to the site! I'm glad you're here. Have you read this post yet? You might enjoy it: How to Buy a Small MultiFamily Property: A Step by Step Case Study

  • Cleveland, OH · Member since 2011 · 400 posts · 223 votes
    12y

    @John Ellis : I have the same sentiments about Lakewood. It's a great place to live, but you'll be hard pressed to find a 10% cap even on the bad side of town. I can do 10-20% cap in desirable east side suburbs all day, even in Cleveland Heights where taxes are at least 30% higher than Lakewood. The universities and the cultural institutions of the east side drive rents far higher than the west side. $1200/mo for a 2 bed apartment in a (very) desirable east side neighborhood is normal and expected--an equivalent (very desirable) Lakewood apartment is nearly half that.

  • Shaker Heights, OH · Member since 2013 · 26 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    @Christian Carson : I am from Shaker Heights, I would love to work my way up to a multiunit or a few in the Coventry area. Christian, after I get past my first property and want to put additional ones under an LLC do you practice in real estate/contract law?

  • Shaker Heights, OH · Member since 2013 · 26 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    The only caveat is yes there are more desirable neighborhoods etc but at the end of the day I have to buy where I can afford to get my foot in the day. I'm sure there are some real cash gushers on the Upper East Side of Manhattan but thats not in the cards right now. Like I said, first property I want bought and fixed with sweat equity for under $40-45k. I know this can be come and in many cases I have seen it done for less and for units that then produce $450-$500 for a 2b/1b so $900-$1000 for the duplex total.

  • Cleveland, OH · Member since 2011 · 400 posts · 223 votes
    12y

    An LLC is important for protecting yourself and your assets when insurance fails to cover a casualty loss or a lawsuit against you. Probably 90% of people don't ever need LLCs, but those who do are thankful that they did it.

    You're right to identify that I was talking about Coventry with my $1200 rents. Honestly, though, I have a deal on the table for a 4000 sq. ft. duplex for $28k, 50k in renovations, and $1800 in total rents in a great neighborhood that will produce a 13.8% cap. I haven't yet found a deal in Lakewood that will come close to matching that. It's not hard to break into the fringe market around Coventry which is heating up quickly as the foreclosure crisis lets up. The University Circle area contains a tremendous rental market--we have two universities, three colleges, and a huge high-tech industry leading the state's job growth.

    I don't know the west side because I don't invest there. I've had great luck in North Collinwood with the killer deals over there, but it takes a good deal of effort to get good tenants renting from you. Part of this comes from simply maintaining your property to inhabitable standards, which is more than what a lot of absentee landlords can offer.

  • Shaker Heights, OH · Member since 2013 · 26 posts · 8 votes
    12y

    @Christian Carson You are the man! I can tell by the way you talk about the emerging awesomeness that is university circle etc that we are on the same page. My buddy's uncle a few years back bought two houses on a street right next to case and put BIG money into them. I was like, what are you doing?? The houses were gorgeous, amazing floors etc. He looks at me and said, this is for med school students and law students from India who pay cash and don't jack up the place! Amen. I totally agree that if you put in the money up front to get the best tenant in the area it will pay off in less residual *** pain. I am all for that. I have seem some Fannie Mae properties on the fringe of Cleveand HtsI really like but I need to get some more cash before I try to swing that way. The point of sale violations assumptions is to much for me to handle in Shaker/Cleveland Hts at this juncture. Baby steps...

  • Cleveland, OH · Member since 2011 · 400 posts · 223 votes
    12y

    Thanks @Joseph Gibbons !

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