Newbie focused on multifamily buy and hold in Milwaukee

Newbie focused on multifamily buy and hold in Milwaukee

San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 1 post · 0 votes

Hi all, 

Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm live in San Francisco and am interested in out of state investing. My goal is to reach financial independence in 5 years by focusing on multifamily, buy and hold properties in cash flow markets. I plan to start investing in Milwaukee or Waukesha, Wisconsin because I have family in the area and still visit frequently. 

Here's my current investment criteria:

  • Focus on 3-4plexes. I like the economies of scale that come with 4plexes.
  • Purchase Price $150k - $350k. I have a fairly demanding day job and want to get the most out of my first 4 loans, so I'm looking for the highest value homes I can afford that still meet my COC threshold. I'd be willing to move to lower priced homes with higher COC when I run out of conventional financing.
  • COC > 18% when fully leveraged and with PM. Obviously higher is better, but I'm willing to trade some profit for less headaches.
  • B class areas. I'm not ruling out Cs since I'll use a PM, but I'd at least like to start in safer areas. 
  • COC >> Appreciation. My 5 year plan is heavily dependent on cash flow. Appreciation is icing but not something I'm planning for.
  • 3-5 deals closed per year

So a few questions for the group:

1) Does my criteria seem reasonable?

2) Given this criteria, what neighborhoods / zip codes would you recommend? I've had some trouble finding areas with many 4plexes.

3) Could you recommend agents, lenders, or attorneys that are be well suited for this investing strategy?

Thanks in advance!

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Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee County, WI · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 525 votes
10y

I’m truly not looking to take on new client, so I will answer a few question 

versus hire me philosophy.

I would suggest coc would be closer to 13 - 16%

Waukesha is not about cash flow but you’re paying for location and school district.

B or C areas pick area that works best for you.

B areas most likely 1% rule

C areas most likely 2% rule

Only example:

C areas must likely $125,000 - $170,000 all in price with regard to 4 plexes

B areas must likely $160,000 - $225,000 all in price with regard to 4 plexes

Most likely expect

First year: 1 to 2 deals ( duplex / multifamily )

2nd year: scale up

Etc

Good luck

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  • Investor · Muskego, WI · Member since 2015 · 31 posts · 7 votes
    10y

    good morning, I possibly I'm wholesaling some properties in Bayview area of millwaukee . Bayview is considered a B+ area in my book very very hot market right now. Let me know if you would be interested. 

  • Lender · Rochester, NY · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    @Cullen Rotroff

    You can go up to 10 conventional financed homes! Criteria increases on mortgage properties, 7-10.

     Your criteria is reasonable. One of your greatest assets will be an investor friendly realtor and lender. 

    A  common misconception is that you need a 2 Year history when You only need a Mortgage history.

  • Real Estate Broker · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2014 · 338 posts · 129 votes
    10y
    Welcome to Milwaukee Cullen Rotroff always nice to welcome another CA resident to the Midwest! I'm both an investor and broker in the greater Milwaukee area. Based on your goals and plans a few areas stick out to me. Sending you a PM now, let's try to connect soon! Cheers Sam
  • Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee County, WI · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 525 votes
    10y

    I’m truly not looking to take on new client, so I will answer a few question 

    versus hire me philosophy.

    I would suggest coc would be closer to 13 - 16%

    Waukesha is not about cash flow but you’re paying for location and school district.

    B or C areas pick area that works best for you.

    B areas most likely 1% rule

    C areas most likely 2% rule

    Only example:

    C areas must likely $125,000 - $170,000 all in price with regard to 4 plexes

    B areas must likely $160,000 - $225,000 all in price with regard to 4 plexes

    Most likely expect

    First year: 1 to 2 deals ( duplex / multifamily )

    2nd year: scale up

    Etc

    Good luck

  • Rental Property Investor · Hartland, WI · Member since 2016 · 18 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    You sound like you have a game plan. Good luck in your new venture.

  • Redondo Beach · Member since 2016 · 11 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    Hi Cullen --

    Seems like you have done some research and have a great plan. I am still in the research phase but have similar ideas. I plan to spend the next few months doing research, crunching numbers for a few hundred deals, networking in local meetups, and assembling my team while I learn the best neighborhoods to invest in. I have some ideas of where to invest, but my next step is to physically drive around the neighborhoods which I realize is probably not possible for you at this time. As I learn the area and assemble my team, I would be happy to share my thoughts. I plan to make my first purchase in the Q1/Q2 2017. PM me if you'd like to stay in touch and help each other through this process.

    Natasha

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