Newbie in Foggy California

Newbie in Foggy California

Jerome KaidorPro Member
Investor · Hayward, CA · Member since 2013 · 122 posts · 65 votes

Hello!

Welcome to the meeting of Landlords Anonymous....

"My name is Jerry Kaidor, and I'm a landlord"

( "Hi Jerry!" )

It started in 1996. I had a good job in Silicon Valley, and my wife decided that we needed a tax deduction. Yes, she dragged me in kicking & screaming. "But you can make 20% in a mutual fund, and nobody will call you for their upchucking toilet!" Of course she prevailed, and we bought a fourplex in San Mateo.

Five years later, the company stock was in the aforementioned toilet. Down from $96 to 48 cents. I couldn't help but feel that such a reduction would ultimately have some effect on my employment. That little fourplex meanwhile was looking pretty good. "Positive Cash Flow" good. I had also realized that I was not smart enough to make money on stocks. So I started cruising the web for more properties. Found a website with a bunch of them. Refinanced the 4plex, generating a down payment for 8 units in Hayward.

Then in 2003, we hit the big time. Refinanced the 4plex yet again, as well as our own house, and bought a 52-unit complex in Fresno. I thought I knew something about landlording - boy what a splash of cold water THAT place was. First hint - "Why aren't the rents coming in?" We closed on Tuesday and the maintenance phone calls started coming in on Thursday.

I stuck it out for six months. I'd get up around 5:00 every morning and do landlording stuff till 8:30. Then hightail it down to Silicon Valley and do software development till 6:00 or 7:00 - then home, eat, crash. Repeat the next day. And on the weekends we'd drive to Fresno.

Then I got zapped by the next big layoff. My company paid me for 6 months to do nothing. I sat down with spreadsheets, and figured out that my complex would start making a profit just about when the severance package ran out. And that's what it did!

The California central valley is a bit of a circus - kind of like the wild west. We kicked out drug dealers. Found out our manager was also dealing - out! Had to let go of our maintenance guy who was strung out on meth. We got a new manager, new maintenance crew - everybody understands that we do period random drug testing.

I had one lady who was running a party house. She was section 8 and her tenant portion was $7. When I evicted her for nonpayment of rent, she owed me $54. I had to make up a whole new 3day form just for her to get that many months into it - the normal form only does 3 months. No, it really wasn't about the money - but that's the easiest eviction.

Starting around 2005, I began to put a lot of time into writing software for my business. I coded ledger software for tracking tenant payments, then a module to organize up checking out prospectives - then a module for maintenance - then one for maintaining the Rent Rolls. Right now, I'm working on functions for Payroll & bank deposits, as well as refinements to the existing stuff. It's all done up as a secure website running on my own server - so I can manage my properties from anywhere in the world ( or mostly, everywhere in my house, cuz I don't go anywhere much :). The software easily generates 16-page rental agreements, 3day notices and invoices. I gave my managers passwords, and now THEY enter the incoming rents.

In 2006, we acquired 20 units in Stockton, CA - our "charity case". That sucker's only worth half what we paid for it. Occasional workorders read "Patched bullet holes". Stockton regularly appears on the Forbes list of "The ten worst places to live in the United States". I think it won first place a couple of times. I am trying to get it occupied - and somewhere in the general vicinity of breakeven - by lowering the rents way down.

- Jerry Kaidor

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  • Residential Loan Broker · Santa Rosa, CA · Member since 2013 · 184 posts · 36 votes
    13y

    That's quite an introduction. Welcome Jerry, I'm finding BP to be a great place and am sure you will too.

  • Brandon TurnerPro Member
    Investor · Maui, HI · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    Hey @Jerome Kaidor welcome to BiggerPockets- very interesting and kinda sad story! :) What's your plan going forward?

  • Rental Property Investor · Northern, CA · Member since 2012 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    13y

    That's an interesting story Jerry. Welcome to BiggerPockets.

  • Jerome KaidorPro Member
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    Investor · Hayward, CA · Member since 2013 · 122 posts · 65 votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Brandon Turner:
    Hey @Jerome Kaidor welcome to BiggerPockets- very interesting and kinda sad story! :)
    *** Didn't mean for it to be sad. The Fresno thing is in good shape. We put in power gates & kicked out the riffraff. We pride ourselves on having a decent family environment. Like I tell every prospective who calls: "We don't tolerate drug dealing, gang banging, or violence". I am now renting to some of my tenants' children. In other words, we fixed it!

    The Hayward 8plex just stays occupied and makes money.

    Stockton, on the other hand.... .Ahhh Stockton. I have that building double locked. But I don't control the street. I would love to kick that building down the road, but it's under water. Glub, glub, glub.

    For some years, Stockton served a rather silly purpose: it was an excuse to go flying. I kept a car at Stockton Airport, and would fly my little airplane out there from the SF bay area. Hop out of airplane, hop into car, go visit building. Yup, it's still there. No new bullet holes.

    This reminds me of a cute story. I have a friend Ron who's also a pilot. Ron had several houses in Merced ( another central valley town). He would fly his Bonanza out to Merced to go work on his houses. He had a little tiny folding bicycle in the back of the plane, and at least a few of the houses were within biking distance of the airport. Ron's wife had given him a pair of striped corderoy pants that he didn't like. Since he didn't like them, they were the appropriate gear to go do plumbing. So one day, Ron was bicycling out to his house on his little folding bicycle, wearing his corduroy pants. He passed a pretty girl with a small child. The child pointed at Ron:
    "Mommy mommy, the circus is in town!". Ron went home and burned the pants. True story.

    What's your plan going forward?

    Operate my properties and keep making money. Try to nurse Stockton into break even. The "low rent" strategy is actually working; I am not only filling it up, but people are staying longer, and to some extent I have my choice of tenants.

    Somebody on biggerpockets wrote that he was not comfortable with renting out houses where he himself would not want to live. I take issue with that; I think I am performing a real public service by giving people a place that's safe and decent. Morally speaking, I believe this is the best thing I have ever done. In Stockton, I rent studios to people on SSI. The stories they tell me about the competition would make your skin crawl. But in my place - the toilets flush, the faucets don't drip, the locks lock. Everything is clean and neat. At least when they move in.... We provide each studio with a window air conditioner - that WORKS. If it doesn't work, we replace it ( nobody bothers to fix those things ).

    And - - amazingly enough - it's a living. I haven't had a regular job in 10 years.

    - Jerry Kaidor

  • Real Estate Agent · Milwaukee County, WI · Member since 2009 · 3k+ posts · 525 votes
    13y

    I totally agree - " quite an introduction " -

  • Real Estate Broker · Cypress, TX · Member since 2013 · 822 posts · 468 votes
    13y

    Hey Jerry! I'm an Oakland/Bay Area native myself. Welcome to BP. I really like a guy who can laugh at his mistakes and uses humor to help others learn some lessons. You have great writing skills - you should start a landlord blog - I bet you've got dozens of stories.

    BTW, I just saw that Forbes list the other day - yep, Stockton was still on it lol! I think Oakland was right next to it :) Take care,

    Sharon

  • Investor · San Jose, CA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    13y

    Hi Jerry,

    Welcome to BP. I love your sense of humor. I find your introduction more humorous than sad. Like my dad usually reminds us "Learn from your victory. Prosper from your failure." Looks like you have prospered from your Fresno complex. It's time to prosper from the property in Stockton, and get more deals like the Hayward one. Isn't that what learn from your victory is all about?

    So when are you going to share your management software with the BP members?

    Cheers.

  • Miami, FL · Member since 2013 · 98 posts · 27 votes
    13y

    Intros like that definitely explain while software engineers secretly rule the world.

    Oh, yeah, as a matter of fact, I'm a pilot also... in my dreams!

    Big fan

  • Mark B.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Morgan Hill, CA · Member since 2012 · 212 posts · 64 votes
    13y

    Hi Jerry,

    As I was reading your intro I was thinking that you would be a great candidate for flying between your properties! Glad you do! Keep the oily side down!

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