BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
This situation really has me peeved. I'm trying to look at both sides of the coin, but Russia is really seeming to take things too far in their aggression. It seems like they are just trying to flex their muscles to show the world that they are back . . . ok, we get it.
What does everyone think about what is happening in the former Soviet state?
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
18y
I have to agree Josh. It went way too far on Russia's part. This went beyond any justifiable reason and was merely posturing at the expense of human lives. Yes, our country had manifest destiny in it's past but it's an old idea we threw away over a century ago.
Real Estate Investor · Member since 2008 · 340 posts · 34 votes
18y
Russia is back to being the bully of Eastern Europe and West Asia. It is representable that Russia would invade a sovereign country on the opening day of the Summer Olympics. A time which should be a showcase for peace and not hostility.
The irony is that Putin is going to get away with it. Europe is addicted to Russia's oil supply, the US is bogged down in the middle east, the U.N. is a worthless paper kitten and China is self-centered and has it's own agenda. So much for any harsh repercussions.
At the very least, Russia NEEDS to be kicked out of the Group of Eight (never should have been there in the first place) and have its WTO bid revoked.
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
18y
You catch McCain's comments on this?
What concerns me this time around is in the last Cold War, China was not the industrial power it is now. China may be out for itself, but it still is a communist country.
Matt, I haven't heard anything - what is China's stance on this considering Russia is interrupting their "presentation to the world"?
Boonies, PA · Member since 2008 · 333 posts · 15 votes
18y
This is interesting, I don't know all the facts. I think Georgia should have never unload their artillery on south ossita. If Russia was going to attack anyway Georgia is way over matched.
I just seen the missile defense agreement was signed in Poland.
Boonies, PA · Member since 2008 · 333 posts · 15 votes
18y
Josh this is like punching a little guy and his big bad friend pounds you. The bottom line is you should have never punch that little guy. Little guy being south ossita.
For Georgia being a sovereign nation they didn't act to civilized. Russia is Russia they are not a true democratic nation. Just be lucky Russia doesn't absorb Georgia into Russia.
BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
18y
Respectfully Ken, I ask that you do more homework on the situation before we continue, because I would like to have an informed discussion (you said "I don't know all the facts.").
South Ossetia is to Georgia as Florida is to the United States. If Florida started acting badly, then the US Military would have just cause for stepping in. Your analogy of the small v. little guy doesn't fly - its apples v. oranges.
On top of that, Russia has been meddling in Georgia for years, sending citizens into the "breakaway regions" to populate them with Russians. I can go on and on here, but the fact is that Georgia was acting in a manner that was necessary and Russia had no business getting involved other than to flex its muscles and prove it was still a player in the world stage.
As for Russia absorbing Georgia, that is not likely to happen without WWIII happening.
Boonies, PA · Member since 2008 · 333 posts · 15 votes
18y
Josh I highly doubt you know all the facts as well. The idea of giving the go ahead to fire artillery into a town is ridicules honestly what did they thing Russia was going to do. Russia is not the US they will not just sit back. This was a bad leadership tactic for the president of Georgia.
BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
18y
I've spent many hours studying the situation in central Asia. While nothing is cut and dry, this situation is not hard to understand.
I don't disagree with you completely . . . while you say "This was a bad leadership tactic for the president of Georgia", I say he made a tactical error in underestimating the Russian response, as did every other country in the world.
Back to your argument . . . does China have the same right to go in to Georgia as Russia? Does Iran? What about Jamaica?
Boonies, PA · Member since 2008 · 333 posts · 15 votes
18y
Originally posted by Joshua Dorkin:
Back to your argument . . . does China have the same right to go in to Georgia as Russia? Does Iran? What about Jamaica?
A country does what is necessary to protect it's self and it's self interest. Is it right or wrong? that depends on what side you are on. A country like Georgia that is allies with the United States sure didn't look like one.
remember both sides of the coin. This is a bad deal altogether. The key is not to let it to go farther. The bottom line is that it was a bad decision for both nations. Just the civilians are punished.
I don't know all the details, I don't recall being in a meeting with Mr. President, or Mr. Gates in the past 28 years :D
Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
18y
Ken,
Getting seperatists to start a conflict so you have an excuse to invade a smaller, sovereign country is a classic Reich tactic. Just because "It is Russia" does not mean we can let it go unresponded to or outright blame Georgia for Russia's response.
BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
18y
The Russians are acting responsibly here and acting as peacekeepers, protecting the innocent :crazed:
As you can plainly see in the following article, they are following the agreed upon ceasefire and are now out of Georgia :shake:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/19/europe/20georgia.php
Real Estate Investor · Millsboro, DE · Member since 2008 · 480 posts · 26 votes
18y
How about russias response to our building of missile defenses in poland. They, "will respond outside of diplomacy", if it happens. That is a fairly open threat. They are threatening an attack, if we build in poland.
BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
18y
Originally posted by Anthony Sulecki:
How about russias response to our building of missile defenses in poland. They, "will respond outside of diplomacy", if it happens. That is a fairly open threat. They are threatening an attack, if we build in poland.
According to Condi, an attack on Poland is an attack on the United States.
Real Estate Broker · Fort Myers, FL · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 323 votes
18y
Originally posted by Joshua Dorkin:
This situation really has me peeved. I'm trying to look at both sides of the coin, but Russia is really seeming to take things too far in their aggression. It seems like they are just trying to flex their muscles to show the world that they are back . . . ok, we get it.
What does everyone think about what is happening in the former Soviet state?
Being upset with Russia for doing stuff like this is like kicking a dog for being ugly. Russia has followed this path long Before Catherine the Great Discovered her "other" love :lol:
I would not worry about the Rusians. Communists should not mess with people like us. they lose everytime. We learned in 1991 for a fact their weapon systems can not hang with ours :idea:
Real Estate Broker · Fort Myers, FL · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 323 votes
18y
Originally posted by Joshua Dorkin:
Originally posted by Anthony Sulecki:
How about russias response to our building of missile defenses in poland. They, "will respond outside of diplomacy", if it happens. That is a fairly open threat. They are threatening an attack, if we build in poland.
According to Condi, [b]
We'll see what happens from here.
The beginnings of the last world war
Look at our economy now and at the 1930's. It is a little eerie