U.S. bankrupt by 2019-guaranteed!!

U.S. bankrupt by 2019-guaranteed!!

Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes

Now that I have your attention, I'm open for suggestions as to how we avoid the inevitable.

I've been reading and studying up on the financial problems that keep growing here in the U.S. Here is an article that has some scary #'s and conclusions. I keep telling people, we're going to run out of money if we keep spending like drunken soldiers. The social programs are unsustainable. Here is an article with projections you should get familiar with.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/05/americas_growing_vulnerability_1.html

I don't care who wrote it, I'm looking at the #'s. At end of 2008. the U.S. debt to GDP was at 40.2%.

" In the four years of the Obama administration, the debt will increase $5.7 trillion (equal to the entire debt incurred by the United States since its inception up to and including 2008). This will result in the country having a debt to GDP ratio of 72% by 2012, a mere two years from now."

We all heard about Greece going under. It was deadmeat if the EU didn't come in and bail their arses out. If U.S. gets to that point , who will bail us out? How close are we to that situation at the current rate of growing our debt? Well, here is the comparison of where we are, where we are headed and possible results or fixes, all in black and white.

"Without significant repeal of the Obama tax and regulatory policies and changes in the entitlement programs and overall reduction in government expenditures, the current spending proposals and impact of the trillions needed for ObamaCare, Social Security, and Medicare and interest payments will result in the debt-to-GDP ratio exceeding 100% by 2019.
Recently the bond ratings of Greece, Portugal, and Spain have been downgraded (Greece to junk bond status). Not only is the entire European Union threatened with collapse because of the excessive debt and budget deficit policies of these countries, but so is the entire world economy. In the case of Greece, the debt-to-GDP ratio is 125%, and the annual budget deficit is 13.6% of the GDP. Greece can no longer borrow money (except at excessively high interest rates) and must turn to the European Union for a bailout in order to pay debts due within the month.
By comparison, the United States, if it remains committed to the Obama agenda, will experience a debt-to-GDP ratio of 104% and an annual budget deficit of 9.7% of GDP by 2019. This nation will become the next Greece."

The above is all pulled from an article listed above. I continue to wonder where all the money is going to come from to handle all the new programs. Econ 101 talked about supply and demand,,,PERIOD. We have removed 1/3 of all wealth with RE and stocks devaluation , causing a reduction of available capital. Yet, the administration continues to spend at unprecedented speed . Does it also seem we are having more catastrophies needing more funds than ever before? Try to keep track of all the Tornados, earthquakes, floods, hurricanes etc. Almost impossible. I'm telling you, we're running out of money. Go to your bank and try to get 100K in cash. They'll most likely have to ORDER it and make you wait a few days for delivery.
Simple econ 101- U.S. is going backwards, and it ain't going to be pretty. Button down the hatches and keep your eyes open. In for a bumpier ride than ever before, imo. I hope I'm wrong, but will plan for the worst. You should also. Rich

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Investor · Mableton, GA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
16y

Rich, Although I disagree with you politically, I respect your "bottom line" opinion. Obama is not the cause but a symptom. If you look at all the combined entitlement programs (Social security, medicare, welfare, housing, etc) they are the biggest culprit - 56% of the budget (interestingly, defence is only 23%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
...And that before the insurance reform that was just passed.
Now, find me one politician (I don't care right, left up or down) that is willing openly to cut any of those programs...

Now, lets talk about the bottom line. For us, REI who are in the buy-and-hold business, I'd say the following.
If you own a property with adjustable or interest only loan, GET OUT OF IT FAST! If you can refinance it for 8%, 9% or even 10% fix rate, go for it. Inflation is coming and that 10% interest would look like a steal.
If you cannot refinance (DIT,bad credit, etc) Sell it because if you don't, chances are you're going to lose it.
I'd say, you have good 3-4 years to do it.
If you have a property that have a fix rate mortgage - keep it. That mortgage payment will eventually will look like your monthly basic cable payment.
Get out of section 8. You still have time but eventually, when the government runs out of money, guess where they are going to cut first.
In general, I would suggest that everyone here pay attention and follow the news. There will be many signs in the years to come to show whether or not we are heading in that direction. Those signs may not be a headline grabbers, but rather bits and pieces of "bottom of the page" news that will tell the tale.

This just my humble opinion... I could be wrong...

Your thoughts...

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  • Investor · Mableton, GA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
    16y
    Originally posted by Mike M:
    I was laid off in 2006 and I had accepted a part time job with UPS, working 5 hours a day for $1,500 a month. Luckily, the next day, I got a job offer for more than 3 times that money, BUT, I was willing to take the UPS job just to get back to work of some sort till I could find a better job.

    If times are tough, you take what you can get. Get off that lazy behind of yours and get to work, ever if it is picking strawberries.

    Mike, for most working people, especially for those who work all or most of ther lives, work is not only about the money. It's about their identity, the feel of purposefulness, their pride. I agree that the cycle of welfare needs to be broken. I'm all for stopping welfare, if you provide substitute. People who have niether education nor profession would never find a job in today's economic environment. The problem is not men. They can live under the bridge as far as I care. The problem is women with children. Those who need the support. Again, I don't think that welfare is the answer but rather education and vocational training.
  • Investor · Westminster, CO · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    16y

    Eddie
    I am a Finance Director for a Non Profit that has 3 main programs, Head Start, Substance Abuse Recovery and Job Training. All three of these are over $1M a year. In our job training program, not only do we pay for their training, we pay their rent, gas and groceries while they are in school (nursing and truck driving are the top two). But we can't get enough people in for training. So many people just don't want to go to work. I am what you might call on the "front line" of this issue, and I see the laziness. Just 5 years ago, we had 4 times as many 'clients' in our job training program, and unemployment was half what it is today. Here is one of my favorite quotes from these folks, "With Obama in office, I don't have to work." How about that for a "Liberal Dogma?!"

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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    16y
    Originally posted by Rich Weese:
    There is nothing wrong with an audit, if you don't do anything wrong.

    That's correct. But setting up a business to generate deductions -- but not generate income -- is "wrong" as far as the IRS is concerned.

    If you've done it in the past, congratulations, but I wouldn't recommend it...


    I'm sure your acct is very good , if you're happy with him.


    He's good even when I'm not happy with him! :)
  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    16y

    "That's correct. But setting up a business to generate deductions -- but not generate income -- is "wrong" as far as the IRS is concerned.

    If you've done it in the past, congratulations, but I wouldn't recommend it..."

    The intent is to start a business that will be successful as many businesses that started in the garage have become. In the early stages, with no money, that business qualifies for new "deductions" that didn't exist before out of normal expenses.
    Housing expense, utilities, auto, section 179 asset expensing, business equipment and a million more, some that provide tremendous wite off .

    Nothing "wrong" about that with the IRS. The "new" business only has to show income in a couple of the first 5 years, as I'm sure you know that. There are even existing cases where the # of years has been waived. Orchards, raising horses and others have been ruled allowable by the IRS , even though the business made no income for up to 7 years.

    These last posts have gotten way off the thread intent. If you have other discussion items, just PM me. Again, I 'm sorry I missed your first request. Over and out on this matter, Rich

  • Investor · Mableton, GA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
    16y
    Originally posted by Mike M:
    Eddie
    Here is one of my favorite quotes from these folks, "With Obama in office, I don't have to work." How about that for a "Liberal Dogma?!"


    Mike, I think that these folks are set for rude awakening, Just because there is a Black president in office doesn't mean he "endorses laziness". I would also be careful equating liberalism with laziness.
    As I mentioned before, no lazy person should be awarded government subsidies, but people who want and eager to work should receive the support pretty much as your organization is giving.
  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    16y

    I posted JUST to bring this thread back. It is that good!! Great opposing viewpoints from some of the very best on BP, imo. Rich

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