Is this a good flooring price for rental rehab??

Is this a good flooring price for rental rehab??

Joel OwensBusiness Member
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Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes

Lowe's is a running a deal that ends tomorrow.

Lowes flooring event

The prices seem really good.So my rentals on my apartment need new flooring to get rent ready.

I know I have to pay attention to the total cost.Example flooring is .68 a square foot but they want 2.00 a sq ft to install.

I was thinking if I got a Lowe's card I could save 10% to 20% on top of the sale price.I would have them install if rates were reasonable.

Thanks

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Note Investor · Pasadena, CA · Member since 2009 · 849 posts · 544 votes
15y

Joel,

$2.00 a sq ft for install is pricey, IMO. $1 is about what I'd pay.

0.68 isn't bad. I'm sure Home Depot has a similar product. In either case, you can save a TON of money by buying discounted HD or Lowe's (HD is easier to find) gift cards/store credit off Craigslist (I normally pay 70% of face). In addition, you can buy 10% coupons for $1 off eBay (emailed to you immediately).

In addition, don't fall for the "limited time" offer of a "flooring event". I'm sure the prices aren't that great relative to everyday prices. These companies are typical corporate America: there's a sale for any and every reason.

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  • Note Investor · Pasadena, CA · Member since 2009 · 849 posts · 544 votes
    15y

    Joel,

    $2.00 a sq ft for install is pricey, IMO. $1 is about what I'd pay.

    0.68 isn't bad. I'm sure Home Depot has a similar product. In either case, you can save a TON of money by buying discounted HD or Lowe's (HD is easier to find) gift cards/store credit off Craigslist (I normally pay 70% of face). In addition, you can buy 10% coupons for $1 off eBay (emailed to you immediately).

    In addition, don't fall for the "limited time" offer of a "flooring event". I'm sure the prices aren't that great relative to everyday prices. These companies are typical corporate America: there's a sale for any and every reason.

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    15y

    Thanks Loc.

    The apartments I will have to look at Home Depot and Lowe's to see which is closer and if the deliver for free and install costs.

    Here in Georgia we have Dalton the carpet capital of the world but it is over an hour away going and back.So any savings on their pricing is negated by the gas and delivery costs and extra time taken for delivery on the rehab.

    So why would they want to sell a discounted gift card on Craig's List?? How do you know they are not fake??

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    15y

    Joel -

    I can recommend a supplier who will provide above builder-grade carpet (25-28 lb) for $3.50 per square yard, 6 lb pad at $1.60 per square yard, and and I'm sure I can help you find an installer for about $5.00 per square yard or less, depending on the specific location.

    In fact, this is the same carpet and pad I use in my flips. If you were okay with lower quality, I'm sure they have less expensive stuff as well (and they'll overnight you samples for you to choose from).

    Overall, you shouldn't be paying more than about $1.25 PER SQUARE FOOT for carpet for a rental, including both material and labor.

    Shoot me a PM for contact info...

  • Note Investor · Pasadena, CA · Member since 2009 · 849 posts · 544 votes
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    Joel,

    They sell them because they need cash. For gift cards they got them as a gift but would rather have the cash. For store credit it's a similar story: they returned something but HD wouldn't give them the cash.

    To verify all you have to do is meet up with them at the store and have a cashier verify that the card has the balance they claim. Just be sure that the PIN is not scratched off.

    Here's the ad I run weekly in my local CL:

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/wan/2513524195.html

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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    Originally posted by Joel Owens:

    Here in Georgia we have Dalton the carpet capital of the world but it is over an hour away going and back.So any savings on their pricing is negated by the gas and delivery costs and extra time taken for delivery on the rehab.

    For reference, my supplier is in Dalton...they charge $75 to deliver to the metro area, so it generally adds less than $.10 per square foot for a typical install...

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
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    Thanks guys.

    Where I am it with this is there are 20 units.Some need rehab with carpet and paint to get rent ready.(about 5 of them)

    With these tenants carpets get used and abused hard.So I don't want to pay a premium for a 10 year carpet.I am playing the averages looking maybe for a low quality carpet (5 year) and add a little plusher pad to make it seem nicer.

    Redevelopment has been happening a bunch in the area so in 3 to 5 years I plan on being approached by a developer.So I want to make nice but not over improved.

    Out of the 5 buildings 4 have older cedar siding.Instead of putting hardi-plank I was thinking of getting a paint company to replace bad boards with new and then get a paint,caulk,and seal.

    I figure that would be much cheaper than hardi siding at 7,000 to 8,000 a building.I figured exterior paint would be maybe 800 a building but I don't know how to price it out.The buildings are square with about 5,000 sq ft living space.

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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    Originally posted by Joel Owens:
    I figured exterior paint would be maybe 800 a building but I don't know how to price it out.The buildings are square with about 5,000 sq ft living space.

    If you're using insured contractors, my guess is that number is a good bit low. I don't know what the building looks like or the square footage of exterior wall space, but a typical painter who works with investors could easily charge double that.

    But again, I haven't seen the building, and price will certainly vary depending on the specific contractor...

  • Property Management · Memphis, TN · Member since 2009 · 668 posts · 362 votes
    15y

    I would not buy laminate for your units. The install should not be over $1.15 sqft. I would use a commercial grade carpet and VCT tile. You can buy these products at a great price and the install is cheap, but product is built for heavy traffic. If you do decide to use laminate I recommend quickstep 700 series 8mm.

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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    Originally posted by James Martin:
    The install should not be over $1.15 sqft.

    In the Atlanta area, the install for carpet or vinyl flooring shouldn't be more than $.60/SF in my experience...

    We pay $4.50/SY (or about $.50/SF). Anywhere from $4-6/SY is pretty typical...

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    15y

    I will have to look into this some more.

    How do you account for the stairs in estimating carpet?? About 16 steps goes up to the second floor of each unit.

    You walk in and dining room and kitchen is there.Probably would tile that.Then living room behind kitchen and then upstairs 2 master bedrooms with each having a full bath.Would carpet those and tile the small baths.

    Does a Home Depot or Lowe's person come out to measure for you??

    I sound like such a newbie but I am on the transaction end doing sales in commercial and the landlord and contractor part I am newer at.On the commercial land development projects I would assemble the parcels but didn't mess with the construction or the budget side much.

    Always more to learn.I appreciate the Dalton connection for savings J Scott.I am wondering if I sign up for Home Depot or Lowe's and save 10 to 20% on what I buy plus they install reasonably and I do Loc's suggestion of buying gift cards for less than face value if I can get for 50 to 60 cents on the dollar for rehab.

  • Property Management · Memphis, TN · Member since 2009 · 668 posts · 362 votes
    15y

    Steps are considered custom, you will turn carpet longways to do steps, about 9ft will do 15steps. If the steps do not have spindles look to spend about $75 to install the stairs. I pay $2 a yard for install of carpet including tac strips if needed, anything under $2.50 is ok. Also if you are doing VCT labor should be about 55cent sqft. I would again use VCT instead of tile to help cut cost.

  • Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2011 · 119 posts · 59 votes
    15y

    What are you guys paying for higher end flooring options, say hardwood, for mid to higher type of flips?

  • Homeowner · Burleson, TX · Member since 2008 · 756 posts · 376 votes
    15y
    Originally posted by Loc R.:
    Joel,

    They sell them because they need cash. For gift cards they got them as a gift but would rather have the cash. For store credit it's a similar story: they returned something but HD wouldn't give them the cash.

    To verify all you have to do is meet up with them at the store and have a cashier verify that the card has the balance they claim. Just be sure that the PIN is not scratched off.

    Here's the ad I run weekly in my local CL:

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/wan/2513524195.html

    I just checked on my local CL. There are several people on there buying gift cards, I learned something new today. Thanks.

    Loc, how do you not got shot or robbed when they know that you are carrying a known amount of cash to the store at a specific time? Seems it would be easy for a crackhead to make an appointment with you and jack you when you get there. How are you screening this for your safety?

  • Property Management · Memphis, TN · Member since 2009 · 668 posts · 362 votes
    15y

    If it is a b grade material about $1.09 to $1.59 for 3/8 inch thick 3.5 inch wide. If its A grade about $1.99 sqft.

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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    Originally posted by Jim Stardust:
    What are you guys paying for higher end flooring options, say hardwood, for mid to higher type of flips?

    3/4" Oak, 3.5" Wide, Site-Finished with 2-3 Coats of Poly, we pay between $4.50-5.25 installed.

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