House with structural issues...

House with structural issues...

David RobertsonBusiness Member
Flipper/Rehabber · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2010 · 758 posts · 780 votes

I got a pending offer on a short sale that has some structural issues. Here is summary of the issues.

1. The front concrete stoop is pulling away from the house. The stoop/entry stairs need to be replaced and I have accounted for the cost in my repair estimate. It seems to be a minor issue and it is manageable.

2. My main concern is that the interior slab of the house has bowed up in the middle of the house maybe 1/2"-1" causing cracks in drywall throughout the center of the house. A structural analysis was performed in 2006. The engineer basically said to trim the interior columns as much as needed to re-level the house. He said that once the issues is fixed the house should have a long and useful life as he imagines the house is done settling and bowing (house was built in 1976).

I guess my initial thoughts were that if the house is out of level 1/2" to 1" in the center, it really isn't a big issue. I imagine that is common in many homes throughout the country. I would think repairing the drywall would be a sufficient fix, although not completely resolve the structural issue identified in the structural report.

A couple questions:
Could I have issues selling the house if I don't modify the columns? I imagine I would have to disclose the structural report when I go to sell?

It seems 'fixing' the issue by trimming the columns may do more harm than good. I would have to modify wall heights in the basement, and potentiall relevel ductwork and piping.

As the engineer said, the house is likely done settling and bowing...If it ain't broke, don't fix it?

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Member since 2009 · 499 posts · 117 votes
14y

Do what you need to and level the house. Are we talking wood posts in a basement or a slab with issues or basement slab heaving causing first floor heave also???Metal or wood support posts? Are you real sure the outside didnt settle vs center heave? Or built that way?(some builders dont own or operate levels and squares and know how to use them.)

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  • Mark UpdegraffBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Rochester, NY · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 706 votes
    14y

    Pictures are worth 1000 words. While it doesn't sound like it is anything to worry about, without seeing it is hard to say. I believe you would be obligated to disclose the information. Does that make you wish you wouldn't have paid someone to tell you that? I deal with a lot of old homes that have cracks in the plaster etc. If the house is done settling, and you can clean it up to make it look nice your buyer won't look too much into the disclosure. You can try a orange peel spray application of watered down mud. I just ordered the equipment myself and it just arrived. I'll be reporting on the performance of via blog in the upcoming week or so. I've heard very good things about using them for such issues. As far as level goes.... a little harder to disguise, but if everything else looks great, people can forgive a few degrees from level :D

    Cheers,
    Mark

  • Member since 2009 · 499 posts · 117 votes
    14y

    Do what you need to and level the house. Are we talking wood posts in a basement or a slab with issues or basement slab heaving causing first floor heave also???Metal or wood support posts? Are you real sure the outside didnt settle vs center heave? Or built that way?(some builders dont own or operate levels and squares and know how to use them.)

  • David RobertsonBusiness Member
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    Flipper/Rehabber · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2010 · 758 posts · 780 votes
    14y

    The slab appears to be heaving in the middle of the house, causing the first floor to heave also...the posts are steel...the elevation change is not noticeable on the first floor...keep in mind this house is 33 years old, so any settling/heaving has likely moved as much as it's going to...the foundation walls themselves do not have any major cracks...

    I want to do it right, but I am unsure whether 'fixing' the problem will do more harm than good...maybe this is a better question for a contractor or engineer to answer?

    Thanks.

    FlipperForce
  • Investor · Asheville, NC · Member since 2012 · 184 posts · 76 votes
    14y

    I would say that some houses settle some then settle no more-- but I rehab/have lived in much older homes (the one I just finished is 1911) and have seen movement even after many years and some repairs. I haven't seen them move after full very expensive repairs though. So be cautious on "it's already settled"-- it is sometimes a rationalization to do less than what's really needed or to make a thin deal seem like it will work.

    On the other hand, most engineers and inspectors make every little thing sound big to cover their butts on liability. Maybe repairing the drywall is fine! Talk to a couple of contractors that you trust, or several that you don't trust!

    Buyer of older homes here (pre 50's) do not expect level floors (within reason).

    @Mark- I hate orange peel!! Hope it works for you though.

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