Burning question to all you house flippers

Burning question to all you house flippers

Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2010 · 390 posts · 599 votes

I'm struggling a bit on what was seemingly a home run deal. Was hoping for some advice from you seasoned pros. I stumbled upon and quickly locked up a home that is 3 hours from the territory I typically work. Just got a chance to see the home for the first time and although my purchase price to comps is great I need to make a number of decisions on my exit. Here are the details:

Purchase price $41k

Neighborhood sold, pending and active comps $125-$179k

So far so good. The problem is that the house was owned by a do it yourself type with two terrible condition add ons, funky tile throughout and and a number of cosmetic issues.

My question is whether my best exit would be to flip it as is where I estimate I could list and get around $70k as is.

Or "wholetail" to make the home functioning and liveable by keeping the tile and bathrooms while finishing the add ons, fixing the roof, painting the cabinets, exterior and interior paint, landscaping and HVAC. This would make the home liveable, maybe FHA financeable and would be consistent with many active comps that look liveable but not upgraded with list prices in the low $100s. I estimate a sale in the low $100s if lucky and the rehab would be int he $12-15k range. The concern here is that I don't do enough to sell it fast and a potential deal would fall apart under the lending microscope.

Final strategy is a gut keeping just the tile throughout the home although I don't really like the tile. This would include refacing the cabinets, granite countertops, new windows, finishing the add ons, baseboards, gutted bathrooms, etc. Cost would be in the $30-$37k range but the comp would be mid to high 100s most likly $150-170k. I've met with and received bids from local contractors for this and don't have a comfortable feeling with any of them to pull it off appropriately. Rehabs are hard enough when I'm local let alone 3 hours away and only able to show up once every other week. This is the part that scares me most. That and keeping the tile while spending so much on everything else.

The market in this city is hot and there is a shortage of dressed up housing. This is a cash deal and I have no holding costs or cash constraints, just constrained on time and headaches.

Finally I could always hold and rent if all else fails as my cost basis would still be low and the home fixed up would rent for around $1200. I'm not a remote landlord and don't see many (any) successful remote landlords or landlords using PM, at least successful by the standards I set.

So ... interested in your thoughts on best strategy, thoughts on the tile, etc. Pics are attached. Please help.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2010 · 390 posts · 599 votes
    12y

    Final update on this one. Remodel is complete and its listed.

    http://www.trulia.com/property/3000790083-732-Suffolk-Dr-Sierra-Vista-AZ-85635#photo-2

    It took a lot longer than a local remodel but it got done.

  • Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    Great job, congrats on your home run, keep up the good work. Have you found your next project in the area to use your newly found contractor?

  • Real Estate Professional · Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2012 · 319 posts · 167 votes
    12y

    That place looks fantastic!

    Can you swap out that fridge with a counter depth one? We did that in our kitchen at home and it fixes that 'big fridge sticking out' look :)

    Of course, you really lose a lot of space with the counter depth fridge, no room for big party trays, so we had to keep our full size one down in the basement. It sure is nice to have a dedicated beer fridge!

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    Congrats on a great deal/rehab. How much did rehab end up costing?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Temple, TX · Member since 2008 · 168 posts · 46 votes
    12y

    You made right decision. Even if it took you more time and $. What was original asking price then final price before you made offer and how many days on market? Any comments from that listing agent about this home why never sold?

  • Rental Property Investor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2010 · 390 posts · 599 votes
    12y
    Thanks everyone. At the end of the day I took j Scott's advice. I had no other major local projects so I had to maximize this one. Home cost $42k and another $36k in rehab so all in under $80k. We have it 5 days on market now for $$174k and agent thinks it will move but we shall see. I'm not in the mood to negotiate much on price. I will list it for sale for a month them rent it for $1295 if I don't get my price. Don't want to pay ordinary income tax and I'm a buy and hold guy anyway. I am actively looking for more homes in this area but prices are not cooperating unfortunately. Wish they could all be home runs like this.
  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 84 posts · 52 votes
    12y

    @Serge S. congrats, it looks good. I jumped into the thread late, but I'm glad you got rid of that original tile and went the rehab route. I'm a buy & hold guy myself, but given the economics on that deal I would have pursued bringing it fully up to code (passing the lending microscope) and selling it for quite a home run just like you did. Plenty of buffer in that home as well if you need it.

  • Investor · Cranford, NJ · Member since 2012 · 303 posts · 153 votes
    12y

    70-40=30k profit =75% ROI

    110-(40+15)=55k profit = 100% ROI

    160-(40+40)=80k profit = 100% ROI

    Based on lower workload for wholetail this makes the most sense as you will be in and out fastest. However this also depends on your personal deal flow, and how much time you spend at your rehabs.

    If you have lots of other deals in your pipeline and will need the cash then wholetail or wholesale and make your profits and move on.

    If you have nothing else coming you might go all in and do a full rehab and maximize profits.

  • Investor · Cranford, NJ · Member since 2012 · 303 posts · 153 votes
    12y

    just realized I was late to the thread-

    House looks great

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