NOUVEAU RICHE-Interesting Review

NOUVEAU RICHE-Interesting Review

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I found this on another site and was given permission by the author to post it here. I am neutral, have no experience with Nouveau, but found the review extremely interesting.

NOUVEAU RICHE - New Bootcamp/guru - Dolf

There's a new kid on the block in the world of RE Guru's known as Nouveau Riche. This group sells exclusively products from Dolf de Roos (one of Robert Kiyosaki's "Mentors"). They are springing up a lot in Utah and Arizona, as well as several other countries (Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and England primarily). If you haven't heard about them yet, I imagine that you will in the future. I wanted to share my experience with them with anyone that might be contemplating joining their organization.

Disclaimers
I AM IN NO WAY AFFILIATED, SELLING, PROMOTING, OR REPRESENTING NOUVEAU RICHE! (Read on and you'll Believe me!) My experiences were in March of 2003. The company was started in November 2002. Perhaps the company is more mature and efficient now. That said, some of my information might be out of date. Additionally, I'm going to boil this down so that you can read it in one sitting. I could write a lot more. Let me know if you want me to expand on any particular point. I appologize for the length of this post, but hope that it provides someone with information they're looking for.

My Experience
I've enjoyed going to some of the 3 Hour "Free RE" seminars that pop up at hotels where they get you there and wet your appetite and try to sell their seminars (after you go to 3 or 4 you start to laugh at how much alike they all are). It opens my eyes to what other guru's & groups are all about. I meet people and learn a thing or two. With Nouveau Riche I was initially impressed. I was an unemployed RE Investor in the making. I though it could be a good thing to get involved with so I could continue learning about RE, network, teach others about RE, and make some money in the process while I was trying to invest. I went to multiple meetings (3 I think), went to lunch with about 14 of them, went to one of their houses and met with 3 of them, and spent many hours on the phone and after meetings chatting with various members of the organization. Additionally, I knew a couple of them from other connections. I bought the lowest package deal (and returned it), and I seriously considered joining the group, but did not. Here are my reasons.

Overview
There are 3 packages that you can pay for and join in with. The first is about $3500, the second is around $6,000, and the third is $7,000 (these are the prices if you buy them all together. I believe they're more expensive if you buy them separately. These are estimates, but the total cost is $16,000 for all three). Any time you buy any one of these, your "Friend" who sold it to you keeps 70% of the COST of the product (which is negotiable, but they won't tell you that) Note: I've heard that they've rearranged their pricing so the lowest one is cheaper, but they're all still about $16K. If you join and sell NR, your "sponsor" makes a profit on your purchase and your next two. Their motto is "Buy one, Sell two".

-Package #1. $3500. Includes: REMS (Real Estate Management Software)
If you've never used anything else, you'll think it's great. If you've used ANYTHING else, you'll hate it. I found it cumbersome, non-conforming, and counterintuitive (not to mention very expensive compared to other things out there).

REPS (Real Estate Purchase Software
(see REMS). I had about the same feeling. You can get spreadsheets from realtors that do the same thing. Heck, I made my own. It's not rocket science; it's a few equations (only mine does more!). If you know how to do a dozen or so equations in Excel you can do it yourself (BTW, I didn't know anything about excel when I started to make mine).

CD's
You get 12 audio CD's of Dolf giving one of his seminars. After I listened to the CD's I didn't think it was worth paying to go to hear him speak (more on that later).

Books
They tossed in a few de Roos's books that you can get at any bookstore as fillers. $30 worth or so.

Seminar
Included was a 2 day seminar (You have to pay all expenses,travel, air, etc) that was 6 months away. (but only a 3 day return policy)

Package #2. $6,000. Includes:
3 Day Seminar
(see above)

Package #3. $7000. Includes:
5 Day Seminar
(See Above).

With all of the products you receive a weekly newsletter from Dolf (kind of what you would read from Carleton Sheets). There are also world wide teleconferences where everyone could participate, and local groups. The worldwide teleconferences were interesting. Everyone was from Utah, Phoenix, or Australia. (Keep in mind, this was when the company was still fairly small and new). One of two things would happen. We'd end up talking about specific neighborhoods in phoenix (that's great if you're in phoenix, but what if you're in New York,..or Mexico) or the moderator would say "You need to ask your lawyer/accountant that question" because the info was way too generic. Most questions were given about one minute of consideration. I can only imagine how they'll be once they've got people on their from 10 countries and all over the USA. As for the local groups, I already told you who was running them. I asked when they met, for how long, where at, what they discussed, etc. Everything was answered like "we haven't exactly decided..". bottom line, there hadn't been any local RE educational meetings, only recruiting meetings (which they'd had a ton of).

Seminars
In two days they claimed that they would teach you all about real estate so you could run out and do it. Additionally they were going to teach you how to do it many different ways and many different techniques. The most useful thing he teaches is "look at 100 properties". If you do that with ANYTHING you'll learn the market (cars, boats, houses, multi's etc). They must cater to the lowest common denominator (i.e., stupidest person in the audience) and speak in generalities because after all they have everyone from high school dropouts who put the $16K on a credit card to doctors and MBA's. Fluffy stories that tell you to make your money when you buy, buy properties and then change them (rent them, divide them, etc), look at 100 properties, etc. Additionally they talk about how to take advantage of global RE fluctuations and buy properties in China, Argentina, and Mexico. If you can't afford to leave your job, travel to china, hire others to do it for you, you don't know how to invest in your back yard, and you don't know Chinese, then Chinese Real Estate is not for you...At least not yet. There are great opportunities outside of the USA, but you've got more things to learn and over come as you get into international real estate.

High Pressure Sales
During that time, I was negotiating two real estate deals that would have taken up most of the capital I had in closing costs, appraisals, inspections, deferred maintenance, etc. Across the board I was encouraged by the Nouveau Riche reps to spend ALL of my savings on the seminars and products (that I would not gone to for about 7 months) rather than use it to secure 2 profitable real estate projects. Interesting attitude from a company that encourages you to buy real estate. One of those was a 24 unit apartment building which I now own.

Selling To Others
They encouraged me to make a list of 200 people who I could contact and invite them to explore the product. I did this. After I had looked across the list of names of 200 friends and family, there were only 3 of them that I felt like I could sell this to without feeling like a weasel, draining their pocketbooks, encouraging them to take on debt, deceiving them, and hoping that they wouldn't resent me for talking them into something that is $16,000 when most of the same information is available for cheap or free. Bottom line, I didn't believe it was worth that. Additionally I knew that $11,000 of that $16K would be going into my pocket. I know that other people have margins to make, but other products are not that expensive, nor do they have those margins.

Experience
Most of the people in NR had very little RE experience. Those who did, had it before they became involved. They would say that they were going to host the meetings and teach you about RE. Most of the ones that DID have RE had it because they'd made a killing selling NR to others and they bought RE conventionally with that money, often times paying cash for the properties. Most have no idea how to buy properties creatively.

Pyramid
It is NOT a Pyramid scheme by definition. It is Legal. That said, it looks and feels a lot like one. I've heard them tell people "you'll make so much money selling this that you can buy all the RE you want". There's something seriously wrong with this picture. I won't go into the definition of a pyramid scheme, but it does feel like it. Legally, there has to be an inexpensive way to get into any MLM (which they claim they're not, but they are. Just a shallow one). It's usually between $45 and $100. For NR it's $75. When I finally decided that I'd be interested in joining to see how it goes, they wouldn't let me join for $75. I told them they had to by law. They retaliated by saying that they'd let me, but that there would be NO support for me at all until I paid at least the $3500 to "show my commitment". I responded by saying "What motivation do you have to help and support me if you've already been paid" to which they had no good response other than "I wasn't committed". The bottom line is that they're more interested in recruiting (and forcing their recruits to buy product) than actually selling their product.

Learning Curve
Now that you've paid your $16K, you STILL have to figure out how to buy RE. You're not trading money for knowledge. Ron LeGrand will have seminars that are several days long where he teaches short sales, and ONLY short sales. I know many people, who have paid a lot for their education, but they walk out, and they pocket $20K on their first deal. He gives them the forms, the strategies, the equations, the words to use, etc. He trains you very specifically how to do a very narrowly-focused, very profitable transaction. NR does no such thing. NR students will still be found on TCI, libraries, and bookstores trying to figure it out.

Opportunity Costs
By now you know that I don't think their product is worth what they ask. What is the opportunity cost (what you could have done) with the $16,000. Look at it this way. If you were to open a separate checking account, how long would it take you to stash away an extra $16K. Most people (with say a $32K/year income) would be doing really well if they could stash away an extra $5K a year after all expenses, taxes, contributions, retirement, etc. That's 3 years of discretionary income. Or they could quit their job, move in with mom and dad, and do nothing but read library books, RE websites, and talk with people and begin to learn the business.

Sharing
One of the biggest turn-offs was the attitude towards sharing information with other investors. They treat RE techniques like they're responsible for protecting the ancient secrets (such as buy low, sell high, rehab, buy distressed properties, lease options, etc) that are theirs to protect and hand down only to chosen individuals. (Chosen = "paid thousands of dollars). If you ask them a question, they're response is something like "You ought to come to one of our meetings to find out more about our organization." Interestingly enough, they can be found at other meetings asking questions and trying to learn from others. One-way vacuum. It's very hypocritical in my opinion.

Insiders
They claim to provide strategic partnerships. I've personally spoken with two of their "partners". Both receive referrals and commissions of some sort from the NR members/organization when they work with them. Both are extremely knowledgeable about RE. Neither one is impressed with NR. One helps them find properties. They have a waiting list of several hundred buyers (NR students) for their name to get to the top of a list so that they can spring onto an opportunity (often a SFR in an area most investors run from at about 85% LTV). (I also know one of the guys that provides them with properties. ANYONE can go to him and get the same deal any time, and without waiting on a list! In any case, they only have half a dozen properties per month come up. That list is only getting longer.

Other Opinions
I'll put it this way. 100% of the investors that I know, respect, and trust their opinions don't like NR. They'll roll their eyes or laugh hysterically at best or get angry and disgusted at worst. The only people who I've heard say good things about them were those who were involved and those who were new to RE.

In their Defense
I do have a handful of good things that I can say about them. In recent months I've talked to a few people who are NR students say some good things about NR. This could be to save their ego or it could be because they genuinely feel that way. I thought the people involved were fun to be with and associate with. Additionally I think that there are people who NEED to pay $16K to get a fire under their pants and get going in RE. If they start buying one SFR per year at 95% LTV and do so for the rest of their life, but wouldn't have without NR, then I suppose that it was money well spent. For if they hadn't made the financial commitment, nothing would have happened. Additionally, from a business standpoint, I guess I've got to have a bit of respect for someone who can talk people into paying $16K (putting $11K in their pocket) for 10 days of seminars, 12 CD's, a couple of books, and some mediocre software.

Conclusion
Recently our local RE group received a letter from an individual who was about to join NR when she found our group. She indicated that ours was much more informative when it came to learning about real estate (as opposed to recruiting).

As for the boot camps, I am very opposed to bad RE "boot camps, or the ones that you pay $3000 for and half of the time is spent explaining to you why you need to spend $10,000 for the next one. Many are simply motivational hype, but no training. That said, there are some great ones out there that will help you stagger through your first deal, do better on your second, and have it down pat by your third (more or less anyways). I do not feel that this is one of them. Your time and money are extremely valuable. Spend them both wisely. $16K is a new car, a down payment on a house, 4 nice, exotic vacations, consumer debt elimination. Most people think long and hard about spending that kind of money on any one of those things listed. Do the same with the RE packages that you are considering.

Added: January 12th 2004
Reviewer: hibby76
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Wholesaler · Dallas, TX · Member since 2009 · 48 posts · 21 votes
16y

NRU is great if you have $16k to invest in education after or before you purchase 10 property deals. The same can be said for every other educational product, ie Russ Whitney, RichDad Education or RDU. I am not knocking any of these offerings. You can make money, as an affiliate. But you damage your reputation in most cases doing so. This site is priceless for the valuable real world education you can get. I developed a simple solution in the beginning. Attend any free training, until you no longer can afford to spend time at a free workshop, web conference, etc. Because if you are doing deals, eventually your time will be worth more than the workshops and NRU can provide. Fear of the unknown, failure, and making mistakes it used to motivate large purchases.

I stopped buying courses, and started buying property.

There is private money available, realtors are a great start. Sign up for the free newsletters, and watch the course costs drop with each email.

The reason RichDad stops marketing to you if you buy. Is because you may see the same free tips, in the paid material, and start wondering why you paid if they eventually give it away.

There is an easy way to qualify the value of any course: is it sold on eBay? Free markets determine the real world price to value ratio in many cases, maybe not all. Of course asking here is a great way also.

Please spend your money and time investing in deals before you buy the education materials.

Libraries, newsletters, and forums are free.

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  • Joshua D.Pro Member
    BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    18y

    Paul -
    Your interpretation is dead on. Those involved are typically gung-ho, as many are trying to promote the MLM elements of the company. Many outside are turned off by this side of the company because of these practices.

    For example, in 4 years of running this site, we've yet to have anyone from NRU come to BP to share their knowledge in real estate with other members. Almost 100% of them were here with one purpose - marketing the program. As a result, we've actually had to ban dozens of people from the site.

    When we start to see people who have been successful from NRU come here to share some of the real working knowledge they gained, then maybe we'll see the negative tone on the business change.

  • Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 447 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by Paul Gwilliam:
    What bothers me is that a lot of the comments are from people that have had no real experience with Nouveau Riche.

    What is your true motivation for joining NR? If it is for education and you feel that it is worth what they are charging, great. Unfortunately many of us who are seasoned investors get hammered by these novices pitching the NR program. They know little or nothing about the reality of real estate investing yet claim that they can show us how to make loads of money. I would have more respect for them if they were honest about what they are selling. Every month recent NR recruits show up at my local REI meeting claiming that they are “going into wholesalingâ€. If you give them a card you will get a phone call inviting you to a “networking meeting†for NR. These NR people never show up for a second meeting. To me it appears that NR is just using false hopes to separate the recruits from their money by telling them that they can make it back by recruiting others. I for one am sick of the NR people and will not give them the time of day. You may have the best of intentions but you may find it difficult due to the bad experience that many of us have had with those who came before you.

    :cool:

  • Real Estate Investor · San Bruno, CA · Member since 2008 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    18y

    Whew... this is a pretty heated thread.

    In my experience with NR, the education they offer is GREAT (I'm a student BTW)! But their marketing strategy (income opportunity) is the part I can't see "eye to eye" with them. I attended and spent money with their income opportunity training and event which is to sell tuition packages to people. I got fired up in the beginning but later I learned for myself it just doesn't fit with my goal and intention why I enrolled myself with NR. I'm not even picking up the products I purchased to educate myself and it is collecting dusts in my bookshelf.

    I have been to the college in AZ twice now. For beginner like me, I found the education I received is highly valuable. I feel without enrolling myself with NR, I would’ve never had the guts to be willing to take a risk of running a business with real estate investing doing Wholesale. But many of the students go and come back only to focus again with the income opportunity and market NR to other people; wash and repeat. That bothered me a lot! It has been several months now since I decided to stop involving myself with their marketing and focus on the main reason why I enrolled myself with NR... get educated and take action!!

    BTW, for those that don't know, you can just enroll and don't even bother with marketing at all. I'm not endorsing anything, just letting you know.

    Personally, my experience with them is a positive one in terms of the education they offer. If you're thinking of enrolling with NR, please, perform your due diligence carefully. This thread is just one of the many ways you can learn about the company and make your educated decision. And ff you decide to join their income opportunity to market NR, do it, BUT make sure you do your best in getting involved with what you’re marketing; that is education in real estate investing, taking action and doing deals/transactions and become successful doing both.

    Again... I'm not endorsing or condoning NR... just trying to express my opinion and personal experience.

  • Joshua D.Pro Member
    BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    18y

    Thanks for your take on things, Rodel. I do appreciate your honesty. Maybe you could be the guy who comes here to BP and proves us all wrong . . . we've been waiting for someone from NRU to come to the site to share wisdom as opposed to market.

    Are you the one?

    Either way, it is interesting to hear your experience and thoughts on the matter.

  • Real Estate Investor · San Bruno, CA · Member since 2008 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by Joshua Dorkin:
    Thanks for your take on things, Rodel. I do appreciate your honesty. Maybe you could be the guy who comes here to BP and proves us all wrong . . . we've been waiting for someone from NRU to come to the site to share wisdom as opposed to market.

    Are you the one?

    Either way, it is interesting to hear your experience and thoughts on the matter.


    You're quick to respond... I was still editing my post! LOL!

    I understand the part that anyone can be skeptical about NR because I've seen and experienced it myself. I'm here just to share my experience and I hope that people will find useful when making decisions to dump $16K to get educated. I'm glad to shed a little bit of light to it.

    And no doubt... once I become a little more experienced in the business... I'd love to share the knowledge and experience to others! I plan to stick around for as long as I can!

    So not one NR students have done their part of sharing in the forums huh?



  • Real Estate Investor · Lynnwood, WA · Member since 2008 · 66 posts · 9 votes
    18y

    Most people who are willing to dump 16k on a real estate education aren't necessarily going to do well in the field. Drive is good. Negotiation skills and seeing value are equally as important if not more so.

    I'm sorry, but 16k on information that is 90-99% free to be had with a little bit of digging and some free networking isn't my idea of value. Esepecially since the person who sold you said education is keeping at least 50% of that tuition for him/herself. In all honesty, seeing this thread and others similiar to it makes me want to throw together my own little education program/boot camp and sell it for as much money as possible. I just don't know that I'd be able to live with myself afterwards when my marks - err students went out into the world and do what most do after boot camps: nothing.

  • Joshua D.Pro Member
    BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    18y

    Michael - if you did that, you wouldn't be the first. There are dozens and dozens of folks doing just that and ripping people off without thinking about it.

    That's exactly why we started BiggerPockets - to help folks learn and network for free!

  • Real Estate Investor · San Bruno, CA · Member since 2008 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by Michael Dorgan:
    I just don't know that I'd be able to live with myself afterwards when my marks - err students went out into the world and do what most do after boot camps: nothing.



    Sadly to say, what you said is true. Unfortunately, there are many NR students that does that. Doing nothing after camp... or doing something else and I DEFINITELY refuse to be that!

    When I decided to stop marketing, the guy that got me in was trying to convince me to stay and said I would make faster $$ with marketing. Huh?!! That just doesn't make sense to me!



  • Real Estate Investor · Lynnwood, WA · Member since 2008 · 66 posts · 9 votes
    18y

    Oh, but it does. Selling a trendy RE education program to people with money can be much, much easier than dealing with people just about to lose there house, or stepping through the floor of yet another fixer, or ...

    With a MLM sales job, there are very few variables. Mostly, it's all about getting person X to sign on dotted line Y and collect. None of your money invested means infinite yield. Get 2 people to join and you break even (and your mentor gets a small kickback.) After that, gravy baby!

    Puke.

    Here's hoping that you make your money back through a profitable investing career.

  • Real Estate Investor · San Bruno, CA · Member since 2008 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    18y

    How can I share when I'm only starting in the business?

    And why am I being put on the spot, when my intention was clean and simply wanting to share my experience with NR?

    I don't understand what you're implying. I spent $16K on my personal education. I found value on it and that's for my personal enrichment. That's all there is to it. People spend money on things everyday and I just happen to choose to spend my hard earned money on that.

    Wow... I'm regretting that I said something. And I had a gut feeling that I would be profiled as such too. This is VERY disappointing and I feel insulted.



  • Joshua D.Pro Member
    BiggerPockets Founder · HI · Member since 2008 · 16k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    18y

    Rodel - Some of our members who have been around for a while have a really bad taste in their mouths due to the behavior of many of the NRU folks.

    Don't regret saying anything. I'm sure that many people appreciate your opinions.

    I think what James is trying to determine is whether you came out of Nouveau riche with a strong background. Seems like he's trying to determine what one might get from an education there.

  • Real Estate Investor · San Bruno, CA · Member since 2008 · 20 posts · 0 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by Joshua Dorkin:
    Rodel - Some of our members who have been around for a while have a really bad taste in their mouths due to the behavior of many of the NRU folks.

    Don't regret saying anything. I'm sure that many people appreciate your opinions.

    I think what James is trying to determine is whether you came out of Nouveau riche with a strong background. Seems like he's trying to determine what one might get from an education there.


    I understand that... but people will have to understand also that there are some who is sincere to have a career in real estate investing like myself. I enrolled myself because I don't have strong background in real estate investing. And even if I got educated by a $16K education, I still wouldn't when I don't have hands-on experience yet. I gotta learn somehow and the value I saw with NR's education is something I highly appreciate.

    But thanks for trying to clear it out Joshua! I'll wait on James to tell me what he's really trying to say.

  • Investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2008 · 118 posts · 22 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by Michael Dorgan:
    I'm sorry, but 16k on information that is 90-99% free to be had with a little bit of digging and some free networking isn't my idea of value.


    This s the kind of comment that doesnt make sense to me. You haven't any Idea how detailed the education is, or the subject matter, or the instructors, or anything. How can you say there's no value?
    Originally posted by Richard Warren:
    What is your true motivation for joining NR?

    I thought I made my intentions pretty clear. I have not joined yet. My intention is not to market at all. I'm doing research first, to try to uncover anything that I'd regret my decision for. I'm watching all that's going on to see if there's any legitimate concerns with NRU. I'm trying to find people that have real experience in NRU and dislike it. I've PM'd several people who,in a post, say they've spent the money, and don't do it anymore. I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of response. I'm really trying to be unbiased here, and find real information before I make a decision, but what I'm seeing is that the majority of people have some kind of blanket disinterest of NRU because either it's too expensive, or they don't like that salesman make money off the opportunity, or they just want to jump on the bandwagon and sound intelligent. It sounds just the opposite.

    All this leads me to believe that anyone that is involved with NRU loves it, and those not involved are not because they don't know all it has to offer.

    Again. I'm trying to be unbiased. These are my thoughts. Please let me know if you know someone that can speak from experience of something REALLY wrong with NRU.

  • Real Estate Investor · Lynnwood, WA · Member since 2008 · 66 posts · 9 votes
    18y

    Perhaps, there is something more to the course that I'm not aware of. Perhaps. But my one and only in person dealing with a NR person felt like an Amway pitch. He didn't want me to buy the program for the education, he wanted me to buy it so I could sell it to others (and so he could collect a commision.)

    That does not bode well.

    FFS, if I wanted to invest in RE, I could every book in the store on the topic and attend every local meeting for a year and still come out ahead. I could spend $30 on a mobile home book, flip 4 trailers, and have over a grand a month of income for over 4 years.

    I have no problem with NR as an education instrument, I have a problem with its price and the MLM portion to it that turns newb investors in zealots.

    Sorry, this doesn't answer your question, but it is my strong opinion.

  • Investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2008 · 118 posts · 22 votes
    18y

    This is not intended to be a sales pitch.

    I can understand if you were turned off by an over marketer. It's been mentioned several times in this thread. Some marketers take the education seriously, some don't. The purpose of the company is to provide the education for rhose that will use it and take it seriously.

    They have 40 different classes ranging from the 100 level to the 400 level in difficulty. (putting a contract together, to negotiating, to multi unit management) Each class is taught by a millionaire investor that is currently succeeding in that specific Niche.

    What I like best about it is that they have it at least six times a year. For a week each time. So where I'm the kind of peson that needs the repetition. I can go to the class, then go put the information into practice, then come back to learn more, and pick up more details, then go and practice it, come back, etc.

    In my opinion, that is a much different education than a $30 book.

  • Investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2008 · 118 posts · 22 votes
    18y

    Really!?!?! no response at all for 3 days????

    This actually really solidifies my point. When I call the naysayers to the carpet, and ask for details of why NRU is lacking. I get nothing for 3 days and counting.

    Also Interesting. I've PM'd anyone I could find that said they had joined NRU , but are not active or interested anymore. (about 5 people) to get more information. "do you mind if I ask you a few questions" I got no response.

    I also pm'd anyone that is currently active in NRU, and asked them to answer a few questions. within 24 hours, I got 4 responses out of 5.

    I don't know what else to conclude. I'm much more willing to converse with those that are willing to answer questions, and use facts to back up thier claims, rather than blanket statements of opinion.

  • Jeff TumbarelloPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Fort Myers, FL · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 323 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by Paul Gwilliam:
    Really!?!?! no response at all for 3 days????

    This actually really solidifies my point. When I call the naysayers to the carpet, and ask for details of why NRU is lacking. I get nothing for 3 days and counting.

    Also Interesting. I've PM'd anyone I could find that said they had joined NRU , but are not active or interested anymore. (about 5 people) to get more information. "do you mind if I ask you a few questions" I got no response.

    I also pm'd anyone that is currently active in NRU, and asked them to answer a few questions. within 24 hours, I got 4 responses out of 5.

    I don't know what else to conclude. I'm much more willing to converse with those that are willing to answer questions, and use facts to back up thier claims, rather than blanket statements of opinion.


    Lets see some 1040's that back the system up.

    I have yet to meet a "guru" that does that. Most people confuse good platform sales with real estate investing. The twain shall never meet.

    PS If you are one that can back up your sysytem with current 1040's, I will buy your system. I will of course need signed 4506's and 8821's in intention of full disclosure

    In the midwest, you can buy a house for 16,000. Then you will be what aspire to be.

  • Investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2008 · 118 posts · 22 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by Jeff Tumbarello:
    Lets see some 1040's that back the system up.
    I have yet to meet a "guru" that does that. Most people confuse good platform sales with real estate investing. The twain shall never meet.

    So... You don't believe that Nouveau Riche pays the money out to those that market? I have to admit, this was the biggest concern I had at first. In three months of doing all the research I can, I've never heard even a hint of this being true, even from the naysayers.

    Or is it that you don't believe anyone really makes any money investing in Real Estate from the knowledge they acquire from NRU.

    I don't think this is a serious challenge. would you really pay 16k if I could document that?

    I havent joined yet, so any income I could document would irrelevant. However, I know several people in the organization that could document thier income for you.

    Regardless, I don't think you'd really shell out money.

    Originally posted by Jeff Tumbarello:
    In the midwest, you can buy a house for 16,000. Then you will be what aspire to be.


    Buying one house for 16k will definitely not get me where I aspire to be. It may be a good step, but it's a small step. If I forego education altogether to get one small deal, I've shot myself in the foot, and my progression will be much slower.
  • Real Estate Investor · Anchorage, AK · Member since 2008 · 63 posts · 3 votes
    18y

    Nouveau Riche is a joke. You don't make money using the information they teach you to invest in real estate. You use their "marketing training" to find others to dupe into joining.

    Of the $16k fee you pay, $8k of it goes to the person who "sponsors" you.

    It is a joke and a very bad one too.

  • Investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2008 · 118 posts · 22 votes
    18y

    I don't mean to be completely negative. And I see it's your first post on this thread, so I apologize if it sounds like I'm jumping down your throat, but would you mind stating any facts, or personal experience to prove that the education is not valid, or not worth it? An opinion from someone that hasn't experienced the college is not very helpful.

    Aside from that. What's wrong with a salesman making money. You don't have any problem with the guy at best buy selling you something, or a car salesman. What's the difference. If there was no salesman, then the company would make more money. Either way the cost to you is the same. Either the education is worh the cost, or its not. If it's not worth it. Prove it, ir it is, If you can't prove it.... Why should I believe it?

  • Real Estate Investor · Anchorage, AK · Member since 2008 · 63 posts · 3 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by Paul Gwilliam:
    I don't mean to be completely negative. And I see it's your first post on this thread, so I apologize if it sounds like I'm jumping down your throat, but would you mind stating any facts, or personal experience to prove that the education is not valid, or not worth it? An opinion from someone that hasn't experienced the college is not very helpful.

    The "education" is basic. Yes, they provide training in real estate investing but the focus is on recruiting others.

    And, by the way, those of us who paid the stupid tax and joined aren't usually all that willing to admit being that stupid. However, I take the attitude that what is done is done. Time to move on.


    Isn't it great that it does not matter what you believe or don't believe?

    See, if you were seriously on the fence about this you wouldn't be trying to convince those of us who know it is a bad deal that it is a good deal.

    Here is the best way to get the answer to your question. Go ahead, join, pay the $16k and then come back and prove to us how wonderful it is.

    Oh yeah, and while you are in the class, don't even start to think about all the people out here in the real world willing to help you actually do the deal for free. Instead sit there and revel as the theory of real estate investing is presented to you by someone who has never done a deal and is using outdated information and materials.

    Oh yeah, and don't forget to pay real close attention to the non disclosure document they have you sign. It isn't just that you can't share the materials. Which is another reason why those of us who have been there and done that tend to be vague in our criticsm. However, my dad and three uncles are really good trial lawyers so if they want to come after me, fine, I live in Anchorage, AK and am very easy to find there when I am not traveling.

  • Jeff TumbarelloPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Fort Myers, FL · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 323 votes
    18y
    Originally posted by Paul Gwilliam:
    Originally posted by Jeff Tumbarello:
    Lets see some 1040's that back the system up.
    I have yet to meet a "guru" that does that. Most people confuse good platform sales with real estate investing. The twain shall never meet.

    So... You don't believe that Nouveau Riche pays the money out to those that market? I have to admit, this was the biggest concern I had at first. In three months of doing all the research I can, I've never heard even a hint of this being true, even from the naysayers.

    Or is it that you don't believe anyone really makes any money investing in Real Estate from the knowledge they acquire from NRU.

    I don't think this is a serious challenge. would you really pay 16k if I could document that?

    I havent joined yet, so any income I could document would irrelevant. However, I know several people in the organization that could document thier income for you.

    Regardless, I don't think you'd really shell out money.

    Originally posted by Jeff Tumbarello:
    In the midwest, you can buy a house for 16,000. Then you will be what aspire to be.


    Buying one house for 16k will definitely not get me where I aspire to be. It may be a good step, but it's a small step. If I forego education altogether to get one small deal, I've shot myself in the foot, and my progression will be much slower.


    1040's that back the claim that they are real estate investors and not platform sales based. You just outed yourself with the response. When questioned about income, you went right to the fee's from signing up other investors, not real estate. Case closed

    "If I forego education altogether to get one small deal, I've shot myself in the foot, and my progression will be much slower."

    That is BS pure and simple. You would have one asset which if bought properly, adds to your net worth. Or 16,000 on a credit card or even worse, cash gone. This is a ponzi scheme pure and simple. Whats next Mona Vie?

    you have a choice here.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6qG4yn-Ps

    If you think these sales people really have your best interest at heart, take the blue pill

  • Monarch Beach, CA · Member since 2008 · 40 posts · 0 votes
    17y

    My fellow peeps..

    I attended NRU and paid the $19,500. The college is very good although I dont know that if Doc picked me up in the Delorean and took me back to November 2007 that I would pay the $19,500 again.

    I did market the college and made close to $75,000 doing so inside 7 months...

    What turned me off was that I learned that the founders Bob Snyder and Jim Piccolo dont really want you to do real estate, they want you to market the education because NRU is a network marketing company.

    (I love network marketing and I am involved in a network marketing company, but NRU is ridiculously expensive and the comp plan is horrible)

    The mix of a real estate school and network marketing is a terrible duo.

    I stopped marketing because I was not passionate about the way they do business...

    The education, if applied, is extremely informative and you do get the network of people that are involved in the community.
    The problem lies where people forget that they want to become real estate investors and they turn into slimy salespeople trying to sell you a ridiculous 20K package in tough economic times in order to make a 10K commission.

    Just my .02

    If you are reading this and are considering joining NRU. DONT do it. You can make enough contacts and learn how to do 3 solid REI strategies that will catapult you into financial freedom right here on this forum. I just wish I knew about this forum a year ago... :roll:

    Cheers.

  • CA · Member since 2008 · 277 posts · 11 votes
    17y

    Sean, did you ever meet Cheri Tree? She's one of the top producers in NR and lives in a huge oceanfront mansion as a result not of investing in real estate but selling NR "education." I went to an "opportunity meeting" but I was distracted. I swear, she looks like a man.

    Cheri Tree. You decide.


  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    17y

    There was a person with NR that decided to start an offshoot with a person from Vegas. The offshoot company was USAWEALTH Institute.
    Basically the same as NR, but supposed to allow members to return every quarter for life at no cost.Held seminars in Vegas. I liked the concept and they REALLY wanted you to BUY real estate, and the mlm portion was glossed over. NR would like to keep upselling you like the other seminar companies. They'll keep after you till you have no money or credit card availability left.
    Because of my book, I was asked to speak at 3 of their seminars (once per day) each of the 3 days. Not once was it a recruiting speech. I soon realized USAwealth had a faulty foundation.
    Most of the people that were joining (like most seminar attendees) had no real knowledge, credit or funds to actually invest in real estate. They would get inspired and then have no outlet. They'd have to turn to recruiting others to generate income.
    The other big problem is the parent company had not thought it through as to how THEY were going to survive without new members' one time fees. Putting on 3 day seminars at the Mirage or Lake Las Vegas!
    I thought this was the one seminar company that had a good message. I no longer feel any warm fuzzy toward it, NR or any others.
    Nearly 40 years ago, I was one of the original Gurus and held seminars on Real Estate. Oriented STRICTLY to educating on the 4 benefits of real estate and presenting real properties to invest in. People would stand in line to write checks!! Finding people wanting to invest was easy, finding good investments that had my stamp of approval was difficult.
    I still feel seminars, like buying Real Estate, can become addictive. I'd rather be addicted to making money rather than spending it on drawn out dribble.
    I also recently attended a NR opportunity meeting. What a joke. Neither the recruiter nor the presenter could answer my basic questions about real estate. They had no problems on questions about the commission structure. That told me all I needed to know.

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