Long Distance BRRRR Advice

Long Distance BRRRR Advice

Investor · CA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 11 votes

Hey there everyone! I'm a newbie to real estate investing and I have been stuck in analysis paralysis. I've been trying to gain as much knowledge as I can before pulling the trigger on a property. I live in CA and I'm looking to invest out of state. I was wondering if anyone knows of good cities to BRRRR in this current market. I'm looking for properties in the B or C class neighborhoods. Primarily single family homes (all in purchase + rehab around $100k). My main focus is cash flow but I would love for the property to appreciate over time as well. Thanks in advance, any advice or insight helps.

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Andrew PostellPro Member
Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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@Zach Wagner as an investor who had to also invest out of state before (I used to live in NYC) I would highly suggest investing in a city that you have a network in.  Meaning, while I live in NYC I invested in Jacksonville, Florida.  Not because Jacksonville, Florida had the best returns but because I already knew a few people who could get me plugged in with other vendors, etc.  When you invest out of state you may never even see your property.  That's an immense amount of trust to put into someone.  So if you know some people in "City X"....but "City Y" has better returns - stay with "City X".  In the long run you will make more money with people who will take care of your assets.  I hope that makes sense. 

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  • Kerry Noble JrPro Member
    Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    4y

    midwest.....and south like AL, MS

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    4y

    @Zach Wagner as an investor who had to also invest out of state before (I used to live in NYC) I would highly suggest investing in a city that you have a network in.  Meaning, while I live in NYC I invested in Jacksonville, Florida.  Not because Jacksonville, Florida had the best returns but because I already knew a few people who could get me plugged in with other vendors, etc.  When you invest out of state you may never even see your property.  That's an immense amount of trust to put into someone.  So if you know some people in "City X"....but "City Y" has better returns - stay with "City X".  In the long run you will make more money with people who will take care of your assets.  I hope that makes sense. 

  • Investor · CA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 11 votes
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    @Kerry Noble Jr Thank you for the feedback! I’ll give them a look. 
    @Andrew Postell Yeah I know exactly what you mean. However I do not know anyone yet. My plan was to find a good market to use the BRRRR strategy and then find a good team to work with (agent, property manager, contractor, and lender). People who I can trust with my property. That's why I'm asking on here. I figured I'd use the knowledge of people who have done it before me.

  • Andrew SyriosPro Member
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    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    4y

    The best markets to BRRRR in are generally the midwest and southest (i.e. Oklahoma City, Kansas City, Des Moines, Birmingham, Memphis, etc.). The coasts are too expensive and the Rust Belt is pretty run down. But there are definitely still opportunities in the Rust Belt.

  • Member since 2022 · 92 posts · 11 votes
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    Quote from @Zach Wagner:

    Hey there everyone! I'm a newbie to real estate investing and I have been stuck in analysis paralysis. I've been trying to gain as much knowledge as I can before pulling the trigger on a property. I live in CA and I'm looking to invest out of state. I was wondering if anyone knows of good cities to BRRRR in this current market. I'm looking for properties in the B or C class neighborhoods. Primarily single family homes (all in purchase + rehab around $100k). My main focus is cash flow but I would love for the property to appreciate over time as well. Thanks in advance, any advice or insight helps.


     Any luck on BRRRS recently?

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    4y

    @Zach Wagner ok, what part of California do you live in?

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2015 · 42 posts · 32 votes
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    Following! Thanks for asking. Out of state scares the hell out of me. I've saved $$ doing simple work myself like painting or basic landscaping. I'm sure I'll be ready for that one day. 

  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    @Zach Wagner

    I think all-in at 100K is going to be tough. If it were easy to push the button to do a BRRRR in Ohio or Indy with 100k we'd all do it. I'm trying to do LOCAL BRRRRs in PA and having a heck of a time! =)

    Where are you located in CA?  Are there any markets within driving distance you can start in instead of rolling the dice thousands of miles away?

  • Member since 2022 · 92 posts · 11 votes
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    Quote from @Nicholas L.:

    @Zach Wagner

    I think all-in at 100K is going to be tough. If it were easy to push the button to do a BRRRR in Ohio or Indy with 100k we'd all do it. I'm trying to do LOCAL BRRRRs in PA and having a heck of a time! =)

    Where are you located in CA?  Are there any markets within driving distance you can start in instead of rolling the dice thousands of miles away?

    Why are you having a heck of a time doing BRRRRS in PA
  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    @Quentin Jivery

    -it's tough to find good deals - both on and off market

    -good properties still get snapped up quickly - both on and off market

    -good contractors are booked up - some through mid 2023

    -materials are expensive

  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    4y

    I meant 'heck of a time' as in hard time

  • Member since 2022 · 92 posts · 11 votes
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    Quote from @Nicholas L.:

    I meant 'heck of a time' as in hard time


    I figured that's what you meant by a heck of a time 😀. So as a new investor where is the hope? Just keep searching and searching or is there a certain type of REI I should be looking into instead of BRRR

  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    4y

    You can still try for a BRRRR, you just need to be patient and have a fair amount of cash.

    House hacking is the best way to get started.

  • Member since 2022 · 92 posts · 11 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Nicholas L.:

    You can still try for a BRRRR, you just need to be patient and have a fair amount of cash.

    House hacking is the best way to get started.


     What do you think about house hacking a 4 plex? Is it a good way to build up capitol though? 

  • Investor · NJ · Member since 2022 · 155 posts · 224 votes
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    Quote from @Zach Wagner:

    Hey there everyone! I'm a newbie to real estate investing and I have been stuck in analysis paralysis. I've been trying to gain as much knowledge as I can before pulling the trigger on a property. I live in CA and I'm looking to invest out of state. I was wondering if anyone knows of good cities to BRRRR in this current market. I'm looking for properties in the B or C class neighborhoods. Primarily single family homes (all in purchase + rehab around $100k). My main focus is cash flow but I would love for the property to appreciate over time as well. Thanks in advance, any advice or insight helps.

    There's a recent thread here about investing in Mississippi, someone posted about readily available brrrr/flips within your price range. Run a search and you will find it. Potential does exist there 
  • Nicholas L.Pro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Pittsburgh · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    @Quentin Jivery no, it won't build up capital.  It will build equity.

  • Investor · CA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 11 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Andrew Syrios:

    The best markets to BRRRR in are generally the midwest and southest (i.e. Oklahoma City, Kansas City, Des Moines, Birmingham, Memphis, etc.). The coasts are too expensive and the Rust Belt is pretty run down. But there are definitely still opportunities in the Rust Belt.

    Thank you, I have looked into a few of those. When you refer to the Rust Belt, what are you referring to? I have never heard that term.

  • Investor · CA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 11 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Quentin Jivery:
    Quote from @Zach Wagner:

    Hey there everyone! I'm a newbie to real estate investing and I have been stuck in analysis paralysis. I've been trying to gain as much knowledge as I can before pulling the trigger on a property. I live in CA and I'm looking to invest out of state. I was wondering if anyone knows of good cities to BRRRR in this current market. I'm looking for properties in the B or C class neighborhoods. Primarily single family homes (all in purchase + rehab around $100k). My main focus is cash flow but I would love for the property to appreciate over time as well. Thanks in advance, any advice or insight helps.


     Any luck on BRRRS recently?


     Im just starting on my investment journey. So I have yet to get a property under contract. Im doing as much research as I can because investing out of state can be risky. However, I'm willing to make the sacrifices necessary for a positive outcome.   

  • Investor · CA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 11 votes
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    Quote from @Andrew Postell:

    @Zach Wagner ok, what part of California do you live in?


     I currently travel California for work. However, I'm from central CA. All the markets are too expensive for the capital I have on hand. I plan to invest here in the future after having a good portfolio built up and some more capital. Until then my best bet is out of state.

  • Investor · CA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 11 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Nicholas L.:

    @Zach Wagner

    I think all-in at 100K is going to be tough. If it were easy to push the button to do a BRRRR in Ohio or Indy with 100k we'd all do it. I'm trying to do LOCAL BRRRRs in PA and having a heck of a time! =)

    Where are you located in CA?  Are there any markets within driving distance you can start in instead of rolling the dice thousands of miles away?

    Im not looking to BRRRR just anything. I mainly want very distressed properties that I can buy all cash via private money lender. I'm from central CA. As far as I know of there are no markets near me in the price range I can afford currently. 
  • Investor · CA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 11 votes
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    Quote from @Bernard Joseph S.:
    Quote from @Zach Wagner:

    Hey there everyone! I'm a newbie to real estate investing and I have been stuck in analysis paralysis. I've been trying to gain as much knowledge as I can before pulling the trigger on a property. I live in CA and I'm looking to invest out of state. I was wondering if anyone knows of good cities to BRRRR in this current market. I'm looking for properties in the B or C class neighborhoods. Primarily single family homes (all in purchase + rehab around $100k). My main focus is cash flow but I would love for the property to appreciate over time as well. Thanks in advance, any advice or insight helps.

    There's a recent thread here about investing in Mississippi, someone posted about readily available brrrr/flips within your price range. Run a search and you will find it. Potential does exist there 

     Thank you, I will give it a read.

  • Member since 2022 · 92 posts · 11 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Nicholas L.:

    @Quentin Jivery no, it won't build up capital.  It will build equity.


     Much better thank you! 
     
    When analyzing a multi family what’s some things to look for and some to stay away from?

  • Member since 2022 · 92 posts · 11 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Zach Wagner:
    Quote from @Quentin Jivery:
    Quote from @Zach Wagner:

    Hey there everyone! I'm a newbie to real estate investing and I have been stuck in analysis paralysis. I've been trying to gain as much knowledge as I can before pulling the trigger on a property. I live in CA and I'm looking to invest out of state. I was wondering if anyone knows of good cities to BRRRR in this current market. I'm looking for properties in the B or C class neighborhoods. Primarily single family homes (all in purchase + rehab around $100k). My main focus is cash flow but I would love for the property to appreciate over time as well. Thanks in advance, any advice or insight helps.


     Any luck on BRRRS recently?


     Im just starting on my investment journey. So I have yet to get a property under contract. Im doing as much research as I can because investing out of state can be risky. However, I'm willing to make the sacrifices necessary for a positive outcome.   

    Where are you looking at properties? On the MLS or somewhere else? Are you calling agents and asking them, I’m only asking because I’m trying to figure out where to point my energy as far as analyzing deals and finding them. 
  • Investor · CA · Member since 2020 · 14 posts · 11 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Quentin Jivery:
    Quote from @Zach Wagner:
    Quote from @Quentin Jivery:
    Quote from @Zach Wagner:

    Hey there everyone! I'm a newbie to real estate investing and I have been stuck in analysis paralysis. I've been trying to gain as much knowledge as I can before pulling the trigger on a property. I live in CA and I'm looking to invest out of state. I was wondering if anyone knows of good cities to BRRRR in this current market. I'm looking for properties in the B or C class neighborhoods. Primarily single family homes (all in purchase + rehab around $100k). My main focus is cash flow but I would love for the property to appreciate over time as well. Thanks in advance, any advice or insight helps.


     Any luck on BRRRS recently?


     Im just starting on my investment journey. So I have yet to get a property under contract. Im doing as much research as I can because investing out of state can be risky. However, I'm willing to make the sacrifices necessary for a positive outcome.   

    Where are you looking at properties? On the MLS or somewhere else? Are you calling agents and asking them, I’m only asking because I’m trying to figure out where to point my energy as far as analyzing deals and finding them. 

    I don't have access to the MLS as far as I know. I believe you have to be an agent to do that. I search on Zillow, Realtor, etc. If I find one in a market that meets my criteria I take and analyze it myself with rough numbers, using one of the calculators provided here. I'm in the process of searching for a rockstar investor friendly agent that can use their knowledge to help narrow my results and be the start of my team.

  • Member since 2022 · 92 posts · 11 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Zach Wagner:
    Quote from @Quentin Jivery:
    Quote from @Zach Wagner:
    Quote from @Quentin Jivery:
    Quote from @Zach Wagner:

    Hey there everyone! I'm a newbie to real estate investing and I have been stuck in analysis paralysis. I've been trying to gain as much knowledge as I can before pulling the trigger on a property. I live in CA and I'm looking to invest out of state. I was wondering if anyone knows of good cities to BRRRR in this current market. I'm looking for properties in the B or C class neighborhoods. Primarily single family homes (all in purchase + rehab around $100k). My main focus is cash flow but I would love for the property to appreciate over time as well. Thanks in advance, any advice or insight helps.


     Any luck on BRRRS recently?


     Im just starting on my investment journey. So I have yet to get a property under contract. Im doing as much research as I can because investing out of state can be risky. However, I'm willing to make the sacrifices necessary for a positive outcome.   

    Where are you looking at properties? On the MLS or somewhere else? Are you calling agents and asking them, I’m only asking because I’m trying to figure out where to point my energy as far as analyzing deals and finding them. 

    I don't have access to the MLS as far as I know. I believe you have to be an agent to do that. I search on Zillow, Realtor, etc. If I find one in a market that meets my criteria I take and analyze it myself with rough numbers, using one of the calculators provided here. I'm in the process of searching for a rockstar investor friendly agent that can use their knowledge to help narrow my results and be the start of my team.

    Where are you looking for that realtor? Are you looking for a single family house hack? Or a single family rent and then refi down the road?

    Thanks for taking all my questions! 
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