First Rental Refinance - BRRR

First Rental Refinance - BRRR

Investor · Fort Walton Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 568 posts · 966 votes

Just wanted to share the results of our first rental refinance / delayed financing. My husband and I are in our first year of our real estate investing career. Hope to encourage some of the newer people here. There are deals out there and some great returns to be had, just persevere!

The deal:

3/2 1200sqft SFR in a B neighborhood in Fort Walton Beach, FL. Bought this short sale for cash in February. This was listed at $104,000 on the MLS

Purchase price including closing costs - $73,257 

Property came with a tenant who signed a new 1 year lease for $975. No repairs were needed. Market rent is $1100-1200 but the old tenants were great so we decided to keep them at the previous rental rate.

Property Appraised at $134,000

Just closed on the delayed financing and got $70,600 cash back out, after closing costs. Total time from purchase to getting the cash back was 10 weeks. 

Income: $975

PITI: $522

Repairs and Capex reserves 10%: $97.50

Property management 10%: $97.50 

Vacancy 8%: $78 

Net monthly cashflow: $180

Cash on cash return: 81% 

Equity: $61,000

For $2,657 invested we are projected to average $180/month positive cashflow (though currently, we are getting $355/month since we are self-managing, and have no vacancy yet which would be 160% cash on cash return if we can keep it up - fingers crossed). 

Now, we can use that $70,600 in cash for the next deal we have lined up!

Thank you @Jerry Padilla and MB Financial for a quick and smooth transaction.

Thanks to @William Allen for posting about one of his BRRR deals which got us looking in the right direction

And of course @Brandon Turner and @Joshua D. for bringing us BP which helped us get started in real estate!

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Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
10y

Arianne,

Congratulations! You took action and not fell into analysis paralysis.

@Jerry Padilla is awesome. I referred a ton of people to him :-)

@Brandon Turner's BRRRR is an awesome strategy. We use it in our rent to own properties to buy virtually an unlimited number of properties because you can always pull the investment out and buy another one.

Depending on the location, Rent to Own can actually be a better strategy specially for newbie landlords. There's no maintenance and repairs and you get better tenants who have skin in the game.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Greenwich, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    Wow, @Arianne L., great work!

  • Accountant · Pleasant Garden, NC · Member since 2015 · 39 posts · 11 votes
    10y

    Congrats @Arianne L.!  One down, now the ball will start rolling, right?!  I plan to post a similar success story by this fall.  Good luck with your next deal! 

  • Investor / Wholesaler · Nashville, TN · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 667 votes
    10y

    @Arianne L.

    So happy for you guys, great job! I look forward to catching up Monday meeting and hear about the next one. 

  • Investor · Fort Walton Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 568 posts · 966 votes
    10y

    Thanks @Jaysen Medhurst @Amanda Cook, thanks! It took us several months to get that first deal, but the ball has finally started to roll. Looking forward to hearing about your success story soon!

    @William Allen Thanks Bill! Looking forward to the Monday meeting as well!  

  • Brandon TurnerPro Member
    Investor · Maui, HI · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Hey @Arianne L. wow! That's awesome!

  • Investor · Frankfort, IL · Member since 2015 · 206 posts · 55 votes
    10y

    @Arianne L.@Jerry Padilla  Can I ask how you pulled cash out after 10 weeks with a conventional loan?

  • Investor · Frankfort, IL · Member since 2015 · 206 posts · 55 votes
    10y

    Never mind just read it again and see you're just getting your own money back not extra. 

  • Solo 401k Expert · Anaheim Hills, CA · Member since 2012 · 18k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    10y

    @Arianne L.

    That's an amazing deal and excellent job on the research. I agree that perseverance is the key. Good luck for future deals!

  • Real Estate Investor · Hilo, HI · Member since 2015 · 134 posts · 14 votes
    10y

    Yes Congrats and thanks for taking the time to post and offer newbie motivation!!!! Rock on/ Your a Rockstar in my Brandon Turner (webinar) Voice :) to keep pushing and finding your 1st deal. Now on to the next and the next and the next!!!!!

  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Nick Versetto:

    Never mind just read it again and see you're just getting your own money back not extra. 

    Nick, I still think you asked a very good question: how did they get back $70k when their purchase price was just $73k ten weeks ago? I thought any new appraisal had to wait at least 6 months!

    And, I'm wondering if that same Bank allows such under-valued sales to slip through often?...

  • Toronto, Ontario · Member since 2014 · 615 posts · 172 votes
    10y

    Awesome deal and post! $134k house for ~$74k!!!!

    Thanks for sharing...

  • Investor · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2013 · 643 posts · 280 votes
    10y

    @Arianne L.

    Well done. You guys hit it out of the park. How long did it take you to find the deal?

    I am also curious why you only took $70,000 back out of the property. Usually lenders will go 70% LTV, which would have put you $20,000 to the good on the deal.

    You managed to skip the renovate and rent steps, so that makes this deal extra impressive.

    Mike

  • Investor · Fort Walton Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 568 posts · 966 votes
    10y

    @Michael Wentzel @Brent Coombs

    Because we started the refinance process so soon after purchase, it was technically considered delayed financing instead of refinancing, which only allowed us to pull out as much as we put in. In exchange we don't have to wait for any seasoning period.

    Check out:

    https://www.fanniemae.com/content/guide/selling/b2...

  • Investor/Syndicator · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2014 · 470 posts · 599 votes
    10y

    Great Story! Keep it up. 

  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Arianne L.:

    @Michael Wentzel @Brent Coombs

    Because we started the refinance process so soon after purchase, it was technically considered delayed financing instead of refinancing, which only allowed us to pull out as much as we put in. In exchange we don't have to wait for any seasoning period.

    Check out:

    https://www.fanniemae.com/content/guide/selling/b2...

    I still don't know how you got around this specification:- "Properties listed for sale in the six months preceding the disbursement date of the new mortgage loan are limited to 70% LTV". (ie. 70% of purchase price $73k, = ~$55k).

    Either someone messed up, or you found a loop hole that EVERYONE should go for!

  • Investor · Overland Park, KS · Member since 2015 · 50 posts · 13 votes
    10y

    the reason she got almost all of the purchase price back is because the appraisal came back so high. If the appraisal came back at 200k, she would still only get back 70k on delayed financing. They won't refi more than purchase price.

  • Investor · Jonesboro, GA · Member since 2014 · 26 posts · 9 votes
    10y
    Good deal! My wife and I are from FWB. Nice to see someone making deals that way
  • Penny ClarkPro Member
    Sacramento, CA · Member since 2014 · 513 posts · 319 votes
    10y

    @Arianne L., thanks for sharing your first deal with all the details. We're in the process of doing upgrades for our existing rentals then we'll be focusing on the BRRR method to take advantage of built up equity. And yes, short sales can be long but they are sooooo worth the wait.

    Major congrats on your first deal! 

  • Real Estate Broker · Tacoma, WA · Member since 2016 · 545 posts · 252 votes
    10y

    Whoo! Good job. This is the dream!

  • Military · Pensacola, FL · Member since 2014 · 53 posts · 63 votes
    10y

    @Arianne L.  Awesome creativity and congrats on the deal!

  • Real Estate Professional · Naperville, IL · Member since 2016 · 15 posts · 4 votes
    10y
    Arianne L. Thanks for sharing your story, it's so rad for newbies like me to read about other people's first experiences - good or bad - stoked that yours was a good one!
  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Nick Stoddard:

    the reason she got almost all of the purchase price back is because the appraisal came back so high. If the appraisal came back at 200k, she would still only get back 70k on delayed financing. They won't refi more than purchase price.

    Nick, if Banks' policies ALLOWED them to get an immediate re-appraisal rather than be obliged to base the 70% cash back on the PURCHASE price, then all wise Buyers could BRRRR immediately! But, there are scores of threads emphasizing that Banks force Buyers to wait out six months!

    Why not this time? (I'm not really buying this "delayed financing" excuse that the Bank used)...

  • James ReyPro Member
    Ellicott City, MD · Member since 2014 · 60 posts · 23 votes
    10y
    Sorry for the silly question. What is BRRR?
  • Investor · Overland Park, KS · Member since 2015 · 50 posts · 13 votes
    10y

    @Brent Coombs the delayed financing only applies to cash purchases. 

    So it's not really a refi. Sorry for the confusion.

  • Investor · Douglasville, GA · Member since 2014 · 313 posts · 181 votes
    10y

    BRRR = Buy, Rehab, Rent, Refinance

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