LESSONS LEARNED FROM MY 3RD BRRR.

LESSONS LEARNED FROM MY 3RD BRRR.

Rental Property Investor · Wethersfield, CT · Member since 2014 · 152 posts · 122 votes

I invest in central Connecticut where the market is fairly saturated with other investors and taxes are extremely high so we have some obstacles to overcome. That being said, I just refinanced a property, completing my third BRRR in the market, leaving minimal dollars tied up in the property - I wrote the story but it was so long, so here's the stats, fun facts, and lessons learned. Sorry, it's still long!

- The property was a HUD property, single family 3/2 with full finished basement in a solid B neighborhood, that was available for bidding only by owner occupants.

- It was listed at 85k, needed about 12k in work and ARV was 140-150k.

-I saw it during the period when only owner occupants could bid so I was ready to submit an offer the very day the owner occupant period expired. (I actually didn't get the property - an owner occupant came in and bid higher. Bummer. Until a few days later when they didn't get their paperwork in right away and lost the contract and I got a very unexpected email a few days later saying my offer was accepted. Game on. LESSON LEARNED - opt to have your offer kept as an alternative if the initially accepted offer doesn't work).

-I used hard money to fund the purchase and rehab and used a private lender for the 20% down. I wasn't out of pocket anything but given the cost of money and refi costs, I know I'd be leaving a little bit in at the end of the day. LESSON LEARNED - your lender is your partner. Since this was my first time working with my lender, he asked to see my quotes and referred me to get a second quote, saving me 5k in a tile job that I wouldn't have picked up on since the quote came from a guy that's worked with both me and my parents in the past. Loyalty is brief.

- I rehabbed the property in 2 weeks and I got a great tenant right away so I never had any loan payments while the property was vacant. FAVORITE TIP - I let my tenants choose between 1 or 2 options of certain renovation items like paint colors, vanities, lights. They're all items I'll be fine with when they leave but it's a huge incentive to the tenants to let them feel like they're part of the design process and makes them more invested, treating the house like their home.

- I just put permanent financing on it. I went with a conventional 30 year loan in an LLC, my PITI is 1050, tenant pays 1600, it appraised for 143k which I think is low since the identical house next door sold for 170k (LESSON LEARNED - always be very conservative with the appraised value. I could've easily estimated it would've sold for higher but I saw one comp that I considered an outlier but thankfully still used to in my analysis to get 140-150K ARV.)

- Final numbers: I've left about 4k in the deal for a COC return (my favorite metric) at 85% and I have 35k in equity! This isn't a cash cow, but it's a base hit and good experience. I'll take it!

Now on to the next one, I close on my 4th next week. Stay tuned.

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Real Estate Agent · Southington, CT · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
10y

Congrats on this deal @Stephanie Cabral. As you mentioned, the area we operate in here in Central CT can be a challenging to find a deal in a good area where the numbers work, but it can definitely be done.  Good luck on the next one.

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  • Real Estate Agent · Southington, CT · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Congrats on this deal @Stephanie Cabral. As you mentioned, the area we operate in here in Central CT can be a challenging to find a deal in a good area where the numbers work, but it can definitely be done.  Good luck on the next one.

  • Real Estate Broker · Windsor, CT · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 268 votes
    10y

    @Stephanie Cabral awesome work! The fourth property you are closing on, is it SFR or multi?

  • Stephanie CabralPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Wethersfield, CT · Member since 2014 · 152 posts · 122 votes
    10y

    A SFR in Manchester. It'll be a fun rehab.

  • Belleville, NJ · Member since 2016 · 46 posts · 19 votes
    10y

    @Stephanie Cabral Thanks for sharing Stephanie. Nice job. I liked some of the lessons learned like letting tenants have a voice in the rehab to keep them invested in the home. It must have been a little challenging though to find the tenant while the rehab was happening? Because the tenants are not getting to walk through a completed, beautiful home and instead had to see it when it was less than perfect. But may be you had most of the important things done already so that people can appreciate how nice the home is?

  • San Francisco, CA · Member since 2015 · 786 posts · 717 votes
    10y

    Those are great lesson learned.

  • San Francisco, CA · Member since 2015 · 786 posts · 717 votes
    10y

    Those are great lessons learned.

  • NJ · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 2 votes
    10y
    Nice job.
  • Rick SantasierePro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Granby, CT · Member since 2015 · 694 posts · 317 votes
    10y

    Great share @Stephanie Cabral! appreciated! Keep em' coming!!

  • Real Estate Agent · Ridgefield, CT · Member since 2016 · 72 posts · 37 votes
    10y
    Stephanie Cabral Great post! Thank you so much for sharing. Look forward to reading about the 4th one!
  • Investor · Clovis, CA · Member since 2015 · 30 posts · 9 votes
    10y

    @Stephanie Cabral   Great job!   Can I assume they dropped the owner occupied requirement when the first bidder dropped out?

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    Rental Property Investor · Wethersfield, CT · Member since 2014 · 152 posts · 122 votes
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    Thanks all! To answer some questions - 

    @Melissa Gittens, it's a single family. I forgot to tag you in my earlier response.

    @Login George, the house didn't need a ton of work and a good chunk of it was mechanical so not obvious to the tenants during the walk throughs. I showed them the paint color I liked, Dynasty Celadon, and they loved it. Because the house was in decent shape I just explained the cosmetic upgrades being made to the basement and bathroom and they were ok with that. I did this on a previous BRRR that required a lot more work and yes, it was hard to get people to visualize. The tenants I ended up getting were actually related to contractors and had the ability to see my vision for the improvements. Ultimately, they were thrilled with how it turned out (phew). To deal with this in the future, I took a lot of before and after pictures so I can show any prospective tenants our quality of work and design.

    @Mark Schmidt, the owner occupant period had already passed but this particular buyer put his bid in during the general bid process with the rest of us, he just offered more than us investors would have so his bid got accepted first then they went to the next highest, which was mine thankfully!

  • IA · Member since 2015 · 304 posts · 152 votes
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    Originally posted by @Stephanie Cabral:

    -I saw it during the period when only owner occupants could bid so I was ready to submit an offer the very day the owner occupant period expired. (I actually didn't get the property - an owner occupant came in and bid higher. Bummer. Until a few days later when they didn't get their paperwork in right away and lost the contract and I got a very unexpected email a few days later saying my offer was accepted. Game on. LESSON LEARNED - opt to have your offer kept as an alternative if the initially accepted offer doesn't work).

     This tip is fantastic. Are you saying that you were able to submit your bid during the initial 10 day period, just to be considered an alternate if the owner/occupy bids didn't work? Or, did you actually have to wait until the 11th day to submit your bid?

  • Stephanie CabralPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Wethersfield, CT · Member since 2014 · 152 posts · 122 votes
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    Hey @Tom V., you have to wait until the 11th day to submit but you can use the initial owner occupied period to get your bid together. And then, when you do submit the bid, you (or your agent) select that you want to be considered as an alternate bid in case the first bid accepted falls through.

  • IA · Member since 2015 · 304 posts · 152 votes
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    @Stephanie Cabral

    Thanks for the clarification, Stephanie. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot for posting your story and lessons learned. Congrats on your success!

  • Lance LvovskyPro Member
    Accountant · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 753 votes
    10y
    Stephanie Cabral how did you get a conventional 30 year loan in an LLC?
  • Stephanie CabralPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Wethersfield, CT · Member since 2014 · 152 posts · 122 votes
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    @Lance Lvovsky, I used a local bank and the LLC was a single member, single asset LLC. I understand this is rare but this is the second time I've done this with this bank.

    To get the conventional, 30 year term, they qualified me and my personal DTI, factoring in my other properties as well, (odd because the other prpoerties are owned in different LLCs). Before refi, I owned the property in my name but they allow me to quit claim the property into the LLC (technically before but realistically it's simultaneous at closing) so the new owner upon refi is the LLC and the refi paperwork is all in the LLC name. I do pay a slightly higher interest rate for that strategy, but I like knowing that the bank has blessed the LLC.

  • Realtor · Lafayette, LA · Member since 2011 · 296 posts · 175 votes
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    @Stephanie Cabral

    I think that's a great deal, congrats! I love how you had the courage to get it done even if you didn't have most of the money up front. Best of luck!

  • NYC, NY · Member since 2016 · 617 posts · 456 votes
    10y

    Congrats in the deal and thanks for explaining how the LLC angle worked.

  • Corby GoadeBusiness Member
    Investor · Boise, ID · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Awesome, congrats! I'd take deals like that all day long.

  • Investor · Windsor, Nova Scotia · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 34 votes
    10y

    @Stephanie Cabral - congrats on the deal and thank you for sharing your lessons and thoughts! I'm very interested in the LLC idea - i'm in Canada - so i'ts a bit different - but ostensibly, I want to start doing the same. One question I had was regarding the appraisal - did you pay to get an appraisal done beforehand or did you just have a good sense of what you thought it would be after the reno?

  • South Plainfield, NJ · Member since 2015 · 72 posts · 23 votes
    10y
    Very nicely put. They are some nice tips out there
  • Stephanie CabralPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Wethersfield, CT · Member since 2014 · 152 posts · 122 votes
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    @Paul MacInnis I didn't have an appraisal done until I was ready to refi. In fact, I never have done the appraisal before I purchase because the appraisal for refi is supposed to only take into account sales within the past 3 months, and since the seasoning period is 6 months, there's not really any overlap in sales that are going to be critical. I instead use comps from the past 6 months in the area, throw out the outliers (both high and low end), and you should see a range. Aim for the low end of the range and you should be safe.

  • Real Estate Agent · Wilson, WY · Member since 2016 · 11 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    Thnaks for sharing!

  • Bronx, NY · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 2 votes
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    Nice Read and Congratulations. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 180 posts · 66 votes
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    Hi @Stephanie Cabral,

    It is so encouraging to read your BRRRR success story! I love the 30 year finance with the LLC. I need to figure that out! may I ask how you determine your ARV? Do you have MLS access or another method? I struggle in my market of Philadelphia to find reliable comps. Recent sales in my farm area haven't been fully renovated like my first BRRRR.

    Cheers and Congratulations on your project!!

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