My first flip - ghetto house to best house within blocks

My first flip - ghetto house to best house within blocks

Investor · Layton, UT · Member since 2016 · 162 posts · 237 votes

I learned so many lessons on my first flip. I bought this house in July 2016 from a wholesaler in Ogden, Utah. I wanted to share some of the most valuable lessons in case they helped someone else out in their real estate journey. First, let me share the numbers and pictures with you. Then I’ll get into the nitty gritty:

Purchase Price: $60,000

Materials and Labor: $46,319

Holding Costs: 2,371.50

Final Sales Price: $141,000

Closing Costs and Commissions: $11,082

Total Profit: $21,228

My real estate journey started about 10 months ago when I began listening to the BP podcasts. I had always loved watching the flipping shows, but never thought I'd have the guts to actually do it myself. I listened to podcasts for a couple months, attended some local REIA meetings, and networked as much as possible to learn from those that were doing it. I then cashed in my IRA, got a HELOC on my house, and made the decision to just jump in and figure it all out.

I’ve told many people that I probably bit off more than I should have on my first property, but looking back now, I wouldn’t have it any other way. Here are my biggest take-aways:

Lesson #1:

If you have to evict tenants, then do it ASAP. When I closed on the property, I went up there and was genuinely nice to the tenants (had been there 6 years, but were on a month-to-month lease). The place was trashed, so I should have assumed they would be difficult to deal with. I believed them when they said they’d be out by a certain date, but: (a) that didn’t happen, (b) they didn’t pay me for the 1-month rent, and (c) they left ALL of their crap. Lesson learned: begin the eviction process ASAP and let the professionals do their job.

Lesson #2:

Learn how to estimate rehab costs. I went in to the remodel with a $35k budget, and blew that out of the water by spending an extra $11k! That could have killed another project, but thankfully there was a lot of room in the deal so I could make those mistakes on my first project and still make a profit. Things that cost more than I anticipated: Windows, interior doors, labor (in general), and cabinets/countertops and pretty much everything else. Lesson learned: spend more time at Home Depot/Lowes if you aren’t sure and make sure you have a better grasp on what materials will cost.

Lesson #3:

Stay up to date on current comps. This is one thing I knew was important and I’m really glad I was proactive. There was about 4 months between purchase date and listing date (took 1 ½ months to evict) so the market could have changed drastically during that time frame. I asked my Realtor for comps (sold/under contract 180 days back) each month during the process so that I could keep my finger on the pulse of the Ogden/Weber County market during the renovation. I initially listed it at $147k, but after 2 ½ weeks of zero offers we decided to reduce to $141k and that’s when things really picked up. Lesson learned: know your market really well when you’re purchasing a house but even better when you’re listing the house. Don’t get too greedy. The faster I can close on this property the faster I can move on to the next one and put my money to use.

Here are some before/after pictures of the rehab. My 2nd flip will be sold in two weeks and I’ll post about that once it’s final. My goal is to do 5 more flips this year. 

After exterior:

After living room:

After kitchen:

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Wholesaler · Ogden, UT · Member since 2016 · 12 posts · 4 votes
9y

@Caleb Rigby Looks great! 

A few questions:

  • What year was the home built?
  • How big was it?
  • 3 bed, 2 bath?
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  • James MasottiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Washington Township, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 976 votes
    9y

    Great work @Caleb Rigby. I've only bought rentals so far (BRRRR), but will be trying a few flips this year as well to help build a better capital base. I hope that I can be as successful with my first project. The good news is I too have made those same mistakes on the repair estimates with my rentals (and I wish it was only $11k I was off by) so by the time I get to the flips I should have a good handle on the costs involved.

  • Contractor · Jackson, MS · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 14 votes
    9y
    Great deal I hope you have much more success!
  • Summit, MS · Member since 2014 · 63 posts · 40 votes
    9y
    Awesome job. I just put a bid in on my First flip. I will be posting pics and the progress as soon as I start. I have been building Dueplexs and buying run down rentals. So I have a idea on cost and labor. It's still nerve racking hoping you make the Right decisions.
  • Investor · Edwardsville, IL · Member since 2015 · 432 posts · 481 votes
    9y
    Caleb Rigby Nice job on the flip! Next time I would spend sometime helping the GC do some work. This will help you later on estimating cost and more importantly knowing when you are getting screwed by a GC before it happens. As far as the English / Spanish problem I use an app on my smart phone called "iTranslate". For $3 all you do is speak to the app and it will translate and speak in Spanish! (Or several other languages) It has helped me tremendously talking to some GC's in Florida. Good luck with the next flip.
  • Real Estate Investor & Consultant · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 620 posts · 386 votes
    9y

    Good stuff Caleb! I will defintiely like to tap your brain as I venture into my first flip in LA. 

  • Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 3 votes
    9y
    Jim Shepard , Caleb Rigby was being humble when he speaks OK Spanish. He speaks really well. That's a great suggestion about doing some of the work along with the GC, I like that idea.
  • Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 3 votes
    9y
    ^when he says he speaks. Sorry, autocorrect.
  • Rental Property Investor · Shreveport, LA · Member since 2015 · 36 posts · 18 votes
    9y

    That looks great! Two questions:  Are those brand new cabinets in the kitchen or new doors only? And what is the brand/name of tile in the bathroom?

  • Investor · Chagrin Falls, OH · Member since 2016 · 70 posts · 30 votes
    9y

    Nice job on the buy!! It gave you a decent llearning curve......Great looking reno....it is apparent that your GC does good work....that is one of the biggest challenges and you managed to snag a good one right away....

    Thanks for sharing your success!!

  • Real Estate Investor · Sharon, PA · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    Great job!

  • Investor · Layton, UT · Member since 2016 · 162 posts · 237 votes
    9y

    @Brian Smith, new cabinets from Home Depot - They're the stock cabinets, so that saved me a few thousand by not getting semi-custom ones. The bathroom tile (floor and shower) were both from Lowes, but I can't remember the name. Let me look through my notes. I know it wasn't cheap (something like $2 per sq ft), but I really like the 12 X 24 look. I'll let you know.

    @Jim Shepard, some great advice. My constraint is my time, as I'm working 50+ hours a week at my desk job about 60 miles away. I'm only able to visit my houses 1-2 times per week...which is why I love my GC and that he's able to stay on task while I'm away. 

    @Thomas Oliver, I'm excited to see your pics.

    @James Masotti, you're a vetran compared to me. You'll do great. Good luck.

    @Nick Costello, that's awesome that you can rehab from so far away. Takes a lot of guts. And that's a great idea with the tenant contingency, I had never heard of that before.

  • Las Vegas , NV · Member since 2016 · 10 posts · 4 votes
    9y
    Nice job! Thanks for sharing such valuable info with us! Will keep in mind once I build up the courage to jump in the real estate investing field!
  • Real Estate Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 1 post · 1 vote
    9y

    Great job!

  • Raleigh, NC · Member since 2017 · 5 posts · 2 votes
    9y
    Congrats one heck of a job!
  • Joe SplitrockPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    9y

    @Caleb Rigby the photos look nice and good profit, especially for your first flip. Well done!

    I am not surprised the tenant didn't leave or pay your last months rent. After living there six years, they were likely not planning to move. They were probably paying under market rent, so when they started shopping it would be hard to find a new place at similar rate. Still, I think you did the right thing by not evicting them immediately. You have to treat people right.

    I am curious how much the house was renting for and why you didn't keep it as a rental? Even if you had to put 20% down on $60K, that would be only $12K. If they were paying even $600 per month, that property should have given you $200 per month cash flow. That is $2400 per year, so it would be an annual 20% ROI. True, it would take you almost 9 years to make the $21K profit, but you would enjoy tax advantages and home value appreciation during that time.

    I am also wondering if you thing you may have improved the home too much? You say it went from a ghetto house to nicest house in blocks. Being the nicest house for blocks can cap your value. Generally you don't want to be the nicest house in the neighborhood, because the nicer houses pull your value up; bad houses pull your value down. I am just mentioning this as something to consider for future flips. Sometimes people over-improve a home and have trouble getting their money back out.

  • Verona, WI · Member since 2017 · 8 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    What did that bathroom run you in materials? It is beautiful!

  • Investor · Layton, UT · Member since 2016 · 162 posts · 237 votes
    9y

    @Joe Splitrock, great questions. There are a few reasons why I didn’t want to keep this as a rental. First and simply, I didn’t want to be a landlord. Of all the research I had done in the month’s prior to actually pulling the trigger, I was solely focused on learning as much as possible about flipping. I wasn’t prepared for a rental, no matter how good it looked on paper. Could I have kept this as a rental? Yes, but it didn’t fit my business model at the time. Secondly, this area of Ogden is more of a “C” area, and I wouldn’t want to self-manage those types of properties, or get a property manager.

    To your second point, however, you’re spot on. I had heard all of the experienced rehabbers give counsel about not putting too much work into a property that doesn’t warrant it, but it was very hard for me to draw the line between what I would want as a home owner, and what a future home owner in Ogden would want. I spent too much on tile, granite countertops, and other nice finishes. I need to get better at this or I’ll just have meager profits from here on out. I’m just beginning my 3rd rehab right now and it’s going to be my guinea pig – we’ll be using less expensive materials but we’ll still try to make it really nice for the area. If it goes poorly, I’ll blame you :)

  • Lender · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2016 · 61 posts · 20 votes
    9y
    Well done! Thanks for sharing!
  • Investor · Layton, UT · Member since 2016 · 162 posts · 237 votes
    9y

    @Ryan Swanson, about $4,000. New vanity - $400 Labor $2,500 (I wasn't anticipating it to be this much, but it included demo, the plumbing for the new tub, sink, and toilet, and the floor and wall tile work), tile - $350, toilet - $150 Tub - $300, then some other misc stuff like faucet, shower head, and sheetrock.

  • Investor · Roseburg, OR · Member since 2016 · 48 posts · 11 votes
    9y

    Excellent post! I'm looking for my first deal currently so this is helpful. The Portland market is very expensive/competitive so I'm looking in other areas of Oregon that I know well. Looking forward to see your results for flip #2!

  • Real Estate Investor · Rossville, GA · Member since 2014 · 218 posts · 96 votes
    9y

    Way to go @Caleb Rigby.  Most people never take the leap to begin with.  You did what it took to get the deal done and learned in a few months what most read about for years and never try.  Congrats.

  • Tyson R.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2014 · 31 posts · 17 votes
    9y

    Well Done. It looks great. My only question, was there space for a possible second bathroom?

  • Rental Property Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 11 posts · 3 votes
    9y
    Great job on your first flip. Just starting out here myself and thanks for those great tips. I think the hardest part for starting where I live is the price and getting a good GC that knows his stuff and honest.
  • Real Estate Investor and Landlord · Enterprise, AL · Member since 2014 · 34 posts · 4 votes
    9y
    Great job and thank you for sharing! We just bought our first house and should close on Feb 10. The kitchen is currently completely gutted, so we need new floors, cabinets, counters and appliances. May I ask why chose to furnish stove and dishwasher, but no refrigerator? We're also challenged by wanting to make it look nice, but not too nice (to avoid costs we couldn't recover)... it's in a C+ neighborhood.
  • Investor · Layton, UT · Member since 2016 · 162 posts · 237 votes
    9y

    @Tyson R., yes, there was room for another bathroom, but it wouldn't have been cheap - nothing was even roughed in. My wife and I talked it over and decided that if we didn't have any offers in the first 6 weeks or so, we'd take it off the market, add the bathroom, and then relist it for a higher price. I'm glad we didn't have to do that. For these older houses in Central Ogden, only having 1 bath is pretty common.

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