Alex Martinez Pro Wholesaler Course

Alex Martinez Pro Wholesaler Course

Wholesaler · Baton Rouge, LA · Member since 2008 · 471 posts · 98 votes

I'm looking forward recent experience from any BP folks who have bought into Alex Martinez's Pro Wholesaler course. He is focusing on using the MLS to find motivated seller leads and then making offers through the list agent on the MLS.

I would appreciate any feedback good or bad about this program which costs $7800!

Thanks in Advance!

Bob Burns

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Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
3y

You want to pay $7800 for a wholesaling course where the focus is on the MLS? How in the hell would that work or be worth it? Everything on the MLS can already be seen by the end-investors so you want to buy off the MLS and then sell the same property at an upsell off the market? Genius. Keep the money and never try to buy a course on wholesaling again.

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  • Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    I hope there's more to it than how to lowball sellers on listed properties. That's some serious bottom feeder wholesaling right there. A good wholesaler finds off market deals. 

  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    3y

    You want to pay $7800 for a wholesaling course where the focus is on the MLS? How in the hell would that work or be worth it? Everything on the MLS can already be seen by the end-investors so you want to buy off the MLS and then sell the same property at an upsell off the market? Genius. Keep the money and never try to buy a course on wholesaling again.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Wilton, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    Guys just think about what he is pitching for crying out loud.

    He craps on ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that gets you "off market leads", and then says: "see everyone is competing for off-market deals, so it is wrong". .. Go to MLS.

    1) As if there is no competition on MLS?!

    I mean, really?!

    And 

    2) It is like saying...

    Everyone eats food, so food has huge competition, so it is better to start eating rocks!

    Yes the REASON everyone is competing for off-market leads is because there is where the money is!

    Just stupid.

    If you have a course, great. Sell the product because the course works. Sell it based on how good your product is. Don't sell it by playing mind and word games tricking people into thinking that what you are saying makes sense.. when it does not.

    And Mr. Green is correct. 

    NEVER buy a course on wholesaling. Wholesaling is getting a house under contract below market value and assigning the contract.

    There is nothing hard or mysterious about wholesaling. It is lead generation that is hard. What is the point of a wholesale course where they tell you to go drive for dollars, or knock on doors, or worse.. stalk MLS for "deals".

    Maybe I should sell a course on wholesaling!

  • Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    Haha @Jerryll Noorden is that for real?? He actually says everyone is competing for off market leads, so instead you should compete for on market leads... wow that is some true guru logic right there...

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Wilton, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nick C.:

    Haha @Jerryll Noorden is that for real?? He actually says everyone is competing for off market leads, so instead you should compete for on market leads... wow that is some true guru logic right there...


     Dude, yeah man.  That is his angle. I was watching it and I was seriously thinking, about how dishonest that was.

    It is literally making sales (or trying to) by confusing your audience and lying to them to manipulate a sale.

  • Broker / Investor · Tewksbury, MA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 351 votes
    3y

    THE MLS IS NOT WHERE YOU FIND "DEALS". Deals are found working directly with motivated decision makers. That means picking up the phone and talking to them. If you can't pick up the phone and talk to strangers you are not going to get a deal.

  • Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:
    Quote from @Nick C.:

    Haha @Jerryll Noorden is that for real?? He actually says everyone is competing for off market leads, so instead you should compete for on market leads... wow that is some true guru logic right there...


     Dude, yeah man.  That is his angle. I was watching it and I was seriously thinking, about how dishonest that was.

    It is literally making sales (or trying to) by confusing your audience and lying to them to manipulate a sale.


    Starting next week I'm selling a course that teaches you how to NOT make money. Think about it - everyone else is trying to make money. There's literally NO competition for trying to NOT make money. Don't waste time doing what your competitors are doing, sign up for my course and I 100% guarantee you won't make a dime! 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Wilton, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Nick C.:
    Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:
    Quote from @Nick C.:

    Haha @Jerryll Noorden is that for real?? He actually says everyone is competing for off market leads, so instead you should compete for on market leads... wow that is some true guru logic right there...


     Dude, yeah man.  That is his angle. I was watching it and I was seriously thinking, about how dishonest that was.

    It is literally making sales (or trying to) by confusing your audience and lying to them to manipulate a sale.


    Starting next week I'm selling a course that teaches you how to NOT make money. Think about it - everyone else is trying to make money. There's literally NO competition for trying to NOT make money. Don't waste time doing what your competitors are doing, sign up for my course and I 100% guarantee you won't make a dime! 


     :D :D :D :D

    Dude my point exactly.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    I get calls daily from his students using a terrible script. Burning $7800 would get you more use than paying for this course. Those that don't, teach.

  • Investor · Austin TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Please do not spend your money on this course! $7800 to learn how to make offers to properties that everyone already has access to? Thats like me asking you to pay me to teach you how to go to the grocery store and buy groceries at retail prices. Then try to sell those same groceries in the parking lot for a mark up. I hope you see how ridiculous that is! 

    You could put a fraction of that $7800 towards marketing to find off market deals. MLS is NOT where you go to find deals. Investors are not looking for on market deals. They are already making below asking offers to listed properties especially in markets where things have dramatically slowed down since the interest rate increase. I wont go so far as to call this course a scam, but I will absolutely call it a waste of your money. There are so many issues with trying to wholesale listed properties, besides the fact that buyers wont buy them. Do yourself a favor and start looking for off market deals instead. And if you have any questions on that front please feel free to reach out. Im more than happy to help.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2020 · 21 posts · 9 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

    You want to pay $7800 for a wholesaling course where the focus is on the MLS? How in the hell would that work or be worth it? Everything on the MLS can already be seen by the end-investors so you want to buy off the MLS and then sell the same property at an upsell off the market? Genius. Keep the money and never try to buy a course on wholesaling again.


    Hi, I'm an investor and I want to mainly focus on buy and hold, I want to do wholesaling as a way to find properties for myself and sell the ones that are good deals but don't meet my criteria.

    The properties i have now I got from the market with convectional loans, as someone who has basic knowledge of how this works what would you recommend as a good learning resource to learn wholesaling, subto and seller finance? For context I'm in Texas

  • Jonathan GreeneBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Madison, NJ · Member since 2016 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    3y

    Wholesaling, done correctly, is a full-time business. The only good wholesalers are running a big business with big marketing budgets and smart outreach, as well as actual cash of their own. Many people want to dabble in wholesaling, as you said, to get deals, but that is not worth time or money unless that is your business.

  • Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 13 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

    Wholesaling, done correctly, is a full-time business. The only good wholesalers are running a big business with big marketing budgets and smart outreach, as well as actual cash of their own. Many people want to dabble in wholesaling, as you said, to get deals, but that is not worth time or money unless that is your business.


    I wholesale here in South Florida MLS deals and Off market deals - I m just humbling saying that at my opinion it all starts with motivation and knowing your Buyers - MLS deal I focus on more on the properties and areas where I know my buyers like the most to fix/flip or fix/rent - kinda of reverse wholesaling and then I look for those kind of MLS deals and I work with the Agents - if the seller is motivated and I know my Buyers are ready I present offers that makes sense - for sure not $ 1,000 EMD with 15 days inspections - we need to talk the Agent's language -this works well for me

    on the other note I come sometimes across Off market deals where Seller are not so motivated or totally unrealistic and their asking price is not making sense - 

    so at the end of the day what I want to say that a good deals is a good deal - no matter MLS or Off market - for me it is all about motivation and having a solid buyer's list

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Wilton, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Patrizia Sanino:
    Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

    Wholesaling, done correctly, is a full-time business. The only good wholesalers are running a big business with big marketing budgets and smart outreach, as well as actual cash of their own. Many people want to dabble in wholesaling, as you said, to get deals, but that is not worth time or money unless that is your business.


    I wholesale here in South Florida MLS deals and Off market deals - I m just humbling saying that at my opinion it all starts with motivation and knowing your Buyers - MLS deal I focus on more on the properties and areas where I know my buyers like the most to fix/flip or fix/rent - kinda of reverse wholesaling and then I look for those kind of MLS deals and I work with the Agents - if the seller is motivated and I know my Buyers are ready I present offers that makes sense - for sure not $ 1,000 EMD with 15 days inspections - we need to talk the Agent's language -this works well for me

    on the other note I come sometimes across Off market deals where Seller are not so motivated or totally unrealistic and their asking price is not making sense - 

    so at the end of the day what I want to say that a good deals is a good deal - no matter MLS or Off market - for me it is all about motivation and having a solid buyer's list


    I totally see where you are coming from, but this is factually wrong (i.e. not opinion, fact).

    So first, I don't think you understand the concept of a motivated seller.

    You say that you come across off-market deals where the seller is not motivated. Obviously, you are targeting the wrong audience, right? You can't conclude that Nike's shoes are worthless because no one engages with Nike's ads when they are displayed in front of people without any legs. Wrong audience.

     Do me a favor. Knock on your neighbor's door right now and ask him to sell their house for 30 cents on the dollar.

    That is an off-market HOUSE, not an off-market deal.  That is your first mistake.

    Second.. off-market doesn't equal motivated seller. You need to separate your terms.

    Lastly.

    A motivated seller is anyone willing to sell their house below market value.

    The "willing to sell below market value" is the KEY component that makes someone motivated... NOT the need, or desperation to sell.

    Lastly, no one is saying that you can't find deals on the MLS. Yes you can. But that is not the topic of this thread.

    It is simply retarded to spend so much money time or effort trying to look for "below market houses" where the entire POINT of the MLS IS to get market value for your property right?

    And then trying to convince the masses that there is no competition on the MLS.. for Pete's sake, that alone should make people run away yelling "scam".

    On the MLS, you are competing with real estate agents, that buy houses themselves on the MLS, you are competing with the traditional buyer, you are competing with other investors crazy enough to try to look for deals on the MLS (yes there are plenty), You are competing with agents that look for deals for their list of cash buyers.

    Every single element of this entire thing is just retarded.

  • Don KonipolBusiness Member
    Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Robert Burns:

    I'm looking forward recent experience from any BP folks who have bought into Alex Martinez's Pro Wholesaler course. He is focusing on using the MLS to find motivated seller leads and then making offers through the list agent on the MLS.

    I would appreciate any feedback good or bad about this program which costs $7800!

    Thanks in Advance!

    Bob Burns

    IMO almost every guru approach to real estate success is flawed because it teaches that one method/strategy will be successful in every market in all economic climates.  This is obviously a fallacy; which is why experience and general real estate knowledge of real estate principles is SO IMPORTANT.  Seems like 75% of the gurus teach some system to “wholesale” real estate.  The first question to ask is not if you can be successful with that system.  The first question to ask is do you want to be a real estate wholesaler?  It might not fit your interests, abilities, time constraints, or ethics.  The second question to ask is can I be successful wholesaling ,  what are the true income possibilities, what are the time commitments, etc.  The third question is what methods of wholesaling should I consider (assuming the answer to the first two questions are yes), how to I obtain knowledge of the methods, how do I evaluate likely success.  The fourth question is what is the most efficient and cost effective way of obtaining the desired knowledge and experience and what is the way that has the least downside risk.  There’s a whole lot more thinking necessary than just stumbling across a YouTube video and being enticed by a change in lifestyle dream.  And I’ll let you in on my experience of 40 plus years in real estate, and having personally met many of he older time gurus; take away the slick presentation (prepared by a marketing firm in either Las Vegas, Nevada, or in Provo, Utah), the “glamour” shot appearance makeover, the unsubstantiated resume and personal history, and the buzz words and motivational bs, and what you’re left with is most times a salesman/marketer and NOT someone who has had much if any success investing in real property.  
    Private Mortgage Financing Partners, LLC
  • Investor · Provo, UT · Member since 2016 · 759 posts · 626 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Don Konipol:
    Quote from @Robert Burns:

    I'm looking forward recent experience from any BP folks who have bought into Alex Martinez's Pro Wholesaler course. He is focusing on using the MLS to find motivated seller leads and then making offers through the list agent on the MLS.

    I would appreciate any feedback good or bad about this program which costs $7800!

    Thanks in Advance!

    Bob Burns

    IMO almost every guru approach to real estate success is flawed because it teaches that one method/strategy will be successful in every market in all economic climates.  This is obviously a fallacy; which is why experience and general real estate knowledge of real estate principles is SO IMPORTANT.  Seems like 75% of the gurus teach some system to “wholesale” real estate.  The first question to ask is not if you can be successful with that system.  The first question to ask is do you want to be a real estate wholesaler?  It might not fit your interests, abilities, time constraints, or ethics.  The second question to ask is can I be successful wholesaling ,  what are the true income possibilities, what are the time commitments, etc.  The third question is what methods of wholesaling should I consider (assuming the answer to the first two questions are yes), how to I obtain knowledge of the methods, how do I evaluate likely success.  The fourth question is what is the most efficient and cost effective way of obtaining the desired knowledge and experience and what is the way that has the least downside risk.  There’s a whole lot more thinking necessary than just stumbling across a YouTube video and being enticed by a change in lifestyle dream.  And I’ll let you in on my experience of 40 plus years in real estate, and having personally met many of he older time gurus; take away the slick presentation (prepared by a marketing firm in either Las Vegas, Nevada, or in Provo, Utah), the “glamour” shot appearance makeover, the unsubstantiated resume and personal history, and the buzz words and motivational bs, and what you’re left with is most times a salesman/marketer and NOT someone who has had much if any success investing in real property.  

     This is so true, real estate is a huge industry with a million and a half ways to make a buck.

  • Member since 2020 · 69 posts · 21 votes
    3y

    Investing rule number one: Don’t lose money.  
    Sounds like Alex is making money wholesaling information online.  

  • Member since 2023 · 11 posts · 5 votes
    3y

    Don't waste your money on a real estate guru's course. You can easily learn the steps of wholesaling on your own and keep that money in your pocket. YouTube offers a plethora of free information. Secondly, the MLS is not an effective source of leads if your intention is to wholesale real estate. You'll want to look for off-market leads in your area (Propstream offers a valuable list of leads such as pre-forclosure at only $99/month).

  • Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 13 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:
    Quote from @Patrizia Sanino:
    Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

    Wholesaling, done correctly, is a full-time business. The only good wholesalers are running a big business with big marketing budgets and smart outreach, as well as actual cash of their own. Many people want to dabble in wholesaling, as you said, to get deals, but that is not worth time or money unless that is your business.


    I wholesale here in South Florida MLS deals and Off market deals - I m just humbling saying that at my opinion it all starts with motivation and knowing your Buyers - MLS deal I focus on more on the properties and areas where I know my buyers like the most to fix/flip or fix/rent - kinda of reverse wholesaling and then I look for those kind of MLS deals and I work with the Agents - if the seller is motivated and I know my Buyers are ready I present offers that makes sense - for sure not $ 1,000 EMD with 15 days inspections - we need to talk the Agent's language -this works well for me

    on the other note I come sometimes across Off market deals where Seller are not so motivated or totally unrealistic and their asking price is not making sense - 

    so at the end of the day what I want to say that a good deals is a good deal - no matter MLS or Off market - for me it is all about motivation and having a solid buyer's list


    I totally see where you are coming from, but this is factually wrong (i.e. not opinion, fact).

    So first, I don't think you understand the concept of a motivated seller.

    You say that you come across off-market deals where the seller is not motivated. Obviously, you are targeting the wrong audience, right? You can't conclude that Nike's shoes are worthless because no one engages with Nike's ads when they are displayed in front of people without any legs. Wrong audience.

     Do me a favor. Knock on your neighbor's door right now and ask him to sell their house for 30 cents on the dollar.

    That is an off-market HOUSE, not an off-market deal.  That is your first mistake.

    Second.. off-market doesn't equal motivated seller. You need to separate your terms.

    Lastly.

    A motivated seller is anyone willing to sell their house below market value.

    The "willing to sell below market value" is the KEY component that makes someone motivated... NOT the need, or desperation to sell.

    Lastly, no one is saying that you can't find deals on the MLS. Yes you can. But that is not the topic of this thread.

    It is simply retarded to spend so much money time or effort trying to look for "below market houses" where the entire POINT of the MLS IS to get market value for your property right?

    And then trying to convince the masses that there is no competition on the MLS.. for Pete's sake, that alone should make people run away yelling "scam".

    On the MLS, you are competing with real estate agents, that buy houses themselves on the MLS, you are competing with the traditional buyer, you are competing with other investors crazy enough to try to look for deals on the MLS (yes there are plenty), You are competing with agents that look for deals for their list of cash buyers.

    Every single element of this entire thing is just retarded.


    I totally agree with you Jerryll and that's why we bought the coaching with you and we are just so glad we did it as the SEO is growing nicely and together with other strategies we are now doing much better with the Off market deals - every State is different and South Florida is a bit crazy - honestly I do great deal also with MLS but of course I totally agree that's not the right strategy and we are glad we are growing on the right direction! Thank you

  • Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 13 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Rich Hupper:

    THE MLS IS NOT WHERE YOU FIND "DEALS". Deals are found working directly with motivated decision makers. That means picking up the phone and talking to them. If you can't pick up the phone and talk to strangers you are not going to get a deal.


     sorry to say it but there is nothing dishonest to engage in a conversation with an Agent that has a house on market since 200 days and offer to buy at a lower offer price - seller they believe owns the Taj Mahal and expecially after pandemic they raise asking price way too high - once again, guys we are entertaining a conversation with a seller and if the house is on market since 200 days, guess what, I believe the agent and the seller maybe a bit motivated, or what?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Wilton, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Patrizia Sanino:
    Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:
    Quote from @Patrizia Sanino:
    Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

    Wholesaling, done correctly, is a full-time business. The only good wholesalers are running a big business with big marketing budgets and smart outreach, as well as actual cash of their own. Many people want to dabble in wholesaling, as you said, to get deals, but that is not worth time or money unless that is your business.


    I wholesale here in South Florida MLS deals and Off market deals - I m just humbling saying that at my opinion it all starts with motivation and knowing your Buyers - MLS deal I focus on more on the properties and areas where I know my buyers like the most to fix/flip or fix/rent - kinda of reverse wholesaling and then I look for those kind of MLS deals and I work with the Agents - if the seller is motivated and I know my Buyers are ready I present offers that makes sense - for sure not $ 1,000 EMD with 15 days inspections - we need to talk the Agent's language -this works well for me

    on the other note I come sometimes across Off market deals where Seller are not so motivated or totally unrealistic and their asking price is not making sense - 

    so at the end of the day what I want to say that a good deals is a good deal - no matter MLS or Off market - for me it is all about motivation and having a solid buyer's list


    I totally see where you are coming from, but this is factually wrong (i.e. not opinion, fact).

    So first, I don't think you understand the concept of a motivated seller.

    You say that you come across off-market deals where the seller is not motivated. Obviously, you are targeting the wrong audience, right? You can't conclude that Nike's shoes are worthless because no one engages with Nike's ads when they are displayed in front of people without any legs. Wrong audience.

     Do me a favor. Knock on your neighbor's door right now and ask him to sell their house for 30 cents on the dollar.

    That is an off-market HOUSE, not an off-market deal.  That is your first mistake.

    Second.. off-market doesn't equal motivated seller. You need to separate your terms.

    Lastly.

    A motivated seller is anyone willing to sell their house below market value.

    The "willing to sell below market value" is the KEY component that makes someone motivated... NOT the need, or desperation to sell.

    Lastly, no one is saying that you can't find deals on the MLS. Yes you can. But that is not the topic of this thread.

    It is simply retarded to spend so much money time or effort trying to look for "below market houses" where the entire POINT of the MLS IS to get market value for your property right?

    And then trying to convince the masses that there is no competition on the MLS.. for Pete's sake, that alone should make people run away yelling "scam".

    On the MLS, you are competing with real estate agents, that buy houses themselves on the MLS, you are competing with the traditional buyer, you are competing with other investors crazy enough to try to look for deals on the MLS (yes there are plenty), You are competing with agents that look for deals for their list of cash buyers.

    Every single element of this entire thing is just retarded.


    I totally agree with you Jerryll and that's why we bought the coaching with you and we are just so glad we did it as the SEO is growing nicely and together with other strategies we are now doing much better with the Off market deals - every State is different and South Florida is a bit crazy - honestly I do great deal also with MLS but of course I totally agree that's not the right strategy and we are glad we are growing on the right direction! Thank you


     You are one of my MINIONS!!!!! WHAAAAAA?

    Let me check out your website when ready OK?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Wilton, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Patrizia Sanino:
    Quote from @Rich Hupper:

    THE MLS IS NOT WHERE YOU FIND "DEALS". Deals are found working directly with motivated decision makers. That means picking up the phone and talking to them. If you can't pick up the phone and talk to strangers you are not going to get a deal.


     sorry to say it but there is nothing dishonest to engage in a conversation with an Agent that has a house on market since 200 days and offer to buy at a lower offer price - seller they believe owns the Taj Mahal and expecially after pandemic they raise asking price way too high - once again, guys we are entertaining a conversation with a seller and if the house is on market since 200 days, guess what, I believe the agent and the seller maybe a bit motivated, or what?


     Absolutely. In fact, I would be extremely interested to know what the conversion rate is of this criteria. If you offered 100 expired listing a below market offer, how many would be accepted?

    This could be a fabulous, new criteria to go after through SEO organically. Go for it, and let me know if they accept. I can develop a new strategy with this data!

  • Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 13 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:
    Quote from @Patrizia Sanino:
    Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:
    Quote from @Patrizia Sanino:
    Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

    Wholesaling, done correctly, is a full-time business. The only good wholesalers are running a big business with big marketing budgets and smart outreach, as well as actual cash of their own. Many people want to dabble in wholesaling, as you said, to get deals, but that is not worth time or money unless that is your business.


    I wholesale here in South Florida MLS deals and Off market deals - I m just humbling saying that at my opinion it all starts with motivation and knowing your Buyers - MLS deal I focus on more on the properties and areas where I know my buyers like the most to fix/flip or fix/rent - kinda of reverse wholesaling and then I look for those kind of MLS deals and I work with the Agents - if the seller is motivated and I know my Buyers are ready I present offers that makes sense - for sure not $ 1,000 EMD with 15 days inspections - we need to talk the Agent's language -this works well for me

    on the other note I come sometimes across Off market deals where Seller are not so motivated or totally unrealistic and their asking price is not making sense - 

    so at the end of the day what I want to say that a good deals is a good deal - no matter MLS or Off market - for me it is all about motivation and having a solid buyer's list


    I totally see where you are coming from, but this is factually wrong (i.e. not opinion, fact).

    So first, I don't think you understand the concept of a motivated seller.

    You say that you come across off-market deals where the seller is not motivated. Obviously, you are targeting the wrong audience, right? You can't conclude that Nike's shoes are worthless because no one engages with Nike's ads when they are displayed in front of people without any legs. Wrong audience.

     Do me a favor. Knock on your neighbor's door right now and ask him to sell their house for 30 cents on the dollar.

    That is an off-market HOUSE, not an off-market deal.  That is your first mistake.

    Second.. off-market doesn't equal motivated seller. You need to separate your terms.

    Lastly.

    A motivated seller is anyone willing to sell their house below market value.

    The "willing to sell below market value" is the KEY component that makes someone motivated... NOT the need, or desperation to sell.

    Lastly, no one is saying that you can't find deals on the MLS. Yes you can. But that is not the topic of this thread.

    It is simply retarded to spend so much money time or effort trying to look for "below market houses" where the entire POINT of the MLS IS to get market value for your property right?

    And then trying to convince the masses that there is no competition on the MLS.. for Pete's sake, that alone should make people run away yelling "scam".

    On the MLS, you are competing with real estate agents, that buy houses themselves on the MLS, you are competing with the traditional buyer, you are competing with other investors crazy enough to try to look for deals on the MLS (yes there are plenty), You are competing with agents that look for deals for their list of cash buyers.

    Every single element of this entire thing is just retarded.


    I totally agree with you Jerryll and that's why we bought the coaching with you and we are just so glad we did it as the SEO is growing nicely and together with other strategies we are now doing much better with the Off market deals - every State is different and South Florida is a bit crazy - honestly I do great deal also with MLS but of course I totally agree that's not the right strategy and we are glad we are growing on the right direction! Thank you


     You are one of my MINIONS!!!!! WHAAAAAA?

    Let me check out your website when ready OK?

    yes Jerryll ! me and Anthony are 2 Minions!! I will send you over your email  the SEO Anthony was able to create following your mentoring!!
  • Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 13 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:
    Quote from @Patrizia Sanino:
    Quote from @Rich Hupper:

    THE MLS IS NOT WHERE YOU FIND "DEALS". Deals are found working directly with motivated decision makers. That means picking up the phone and talking to them. If you can't pick up the phone and talk to strangers you are not going to get a deal.


     sorry to say it but there is nothing dishonest to engage in a conversation with an Agent that has a house on market since 200 days and offer to buy at a lower offer price - seller they believe owns the Taj Mahal and expecially after pandemic they raise asking price way too high - once again, guys we are entertaining a conversation with a seller and if the house is on market since 200 days, guess what, I believe the agent and the seller maybe a bit motivated, or what?


     Absolutely. In fact, I would be extremely interested to know what the conversion rate is of this criteria. If you offered 100 expired listing a below market offer, how many would be accepted?

    This could be a fabulous, new criteria to go after through SEO organically. Go for it, and let me know if they accept. I can develop a new strategy with this data!

    Ok I will make a  calculation of the rate of closed deals vs/ offer made and I will keep you posted - honestly there is also another consideration that I need to disclose to be correct: my partner is a realtor and this many times facilitate the transaction with other realtors
  • Member since 2023 · 1 post · 5 votes
    3y

    🚫 Warning: Unfair Practices by Real Estate Skills 🚫

    I want to share my frustrating experience with the company “Real Estate Skills” to warn others about their questionable practices. I recently encountered a situation that left me feeling taken advantage of and deeply disappointed.

    Upon expressing my reservations about the steep cost of their course $8k,  I was pressured into signing an agreement by their representative. Despite my concerns, I was convinced to proceed with the promise of a more manageable payment plan and reassurances of quick success in the real estate market. I take full responsibility for going against my  better judgment and signing  the agreement! I was vulnerable, desperate for a way to get out of my current situation and wanted it to work out and it is a lesson learned for myself. 

    Tragically, my circumstances took an unexpected turn when my father passed away, leaving me struggling to cover his funeral expenses and putting me behind on rent. Despite reaching out to Real Estate Skills for understanding, I received responses that contradicted their initial promises. They offered no compassion for my situation and instead decided to withhold essential components of the course, leaving me in a precarious position.

    Adding insult to injury, the course’s foundation hinges on gaining access to the multiple listing service, a privilege primarily available to licensed agents or brokers. What was presented as “easy” turned out to be a near-impossible task, highlighting a glaring gap between the company’s claims and reality.

    In an effort to address my concerns, I initiated a dispute with my bank, hoping to navigate this unfortunate situation. Astonishingly, Real Estate Skills emerged victorious in the dispute, leaving me out of pocket by $2700. To make matters worse, they not only kept my money but also revoked my access to the course, leaving me empty-handed and cheated.

    It’s disheartening to witness a company that boasts such high costs fail to exhibit even a shred of empathy. This ordeal has not only cost me financially but has also left me feeling misled and deceived. I urge anyone considering Real Estate Skills to think twice and be cautious before making any commitments.

    Remember, your hard-earned money deserves better treatment than what I experienced. Don’t let yourself fall victim to false promises and unfair practices.

    #RealEstateSkills #UnfairPractices #BuyerBeware

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